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Also, cock. Seriously. Critique that too. Kinda large, yes, but overall anything that can be improved? Some of what I've drawn isn't too bad, and some of it deeds MAJOR improvement so yeah.

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There should be an image with this... >.> So, yah.

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And this is what I got so far.

One person says that it kinda looks like the rock is BEHIND blaziken so I'll look into editing that a bit.

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>>342

I can kind of see what you mean by it looks like it's a little behind, though I'm not sure how you'd correct that. Sacrifice a goat to Set and see what happens, that's the best I can do. Also, the cock seem's a lil TOO thick, though that may have been what you were going for. Aside from that very good comrade.

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>>354

I'm about to upload a new version.. I fixed the contrast with the rock a bit, mainly with the spray can tool and black, and altered a few things. I made a male, female only version as well but that's about it. I'll stick with the version I got now.

Shi's a bit less thick as well, heh.

Since I started, I feel it turned out much better than it was in the beginning.

I trimmed the beak per one guy's suggestion, which I think was pretty good - I've always had a "bubbly" style for the snout recently, especially with beak-like maws, or even with non-beak-like structures. so I toned it down a bit. Looks a bit more streamlined. I almost feel I could do more but I dunno if others agree, or if that's just me over-criticizing myself.

The cock, while still large isn't just short of being hyper now, IMO. I made it a bit thinner. Dick went on a diet. LOL.

The rock IMO is a bit better since I incorporated black. I was hoping to avoid this but somehow it looks pretty good - high(er) contrast but still not overpowering IMO.

I'm debating on whether or not I should clean up the lines and make it an almost 1 pixel line (maybe 2 for the outermost lines) or something like that and maybe colorize the lines slightly to remove the "fake" implication that the black lines give off. Granted a Blaziken is fake, but hopefully y'all get the idea I'm trying to portray.

The anatomy officially appears to work better now, although the face is kinda bugging me. I altered the hair a bit but.. does the angle look off at all? How can that be improved if at all? Redlines would be a big help here probably.

Overall from the critiques I've gotten, at this point the MAIN thing I want advice on is the head. It almost looks alright for me but I want some more opinions. Of course, the floor is open to those who have any other suggestions.

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There, I just improved it by 1000%.

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>358

LOL sorry, no dice buddy. I've already created a male and female version and have been editing them as such.

Sorry, but I don't have time for assholes. Serious critique or bye bye , see ya' later.

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>>359

You want serious crits?
Don't draw porn.

You're not ready for it yet. You're 10 years too early to be drawing porn. Drawing it now, at your level, means you only want attention, and /crit hate attention whores.

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Compare this >>355
With this.

What do you see?
That's right, skill-wise you're still playing in the mud in preschool, pretending to be a big boy. Forget the tits and dicks for now, focus on the fundamentals.

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>>362 hey fuck you, he's just trying to get better, asshole.

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>>365
Oh boohoo, cry my a river.

This bugger is not looking to improve, no one who posts porn here EVER wanted to, they're just looking for another to place to get validated in.

Besides, TAPEWORMMAN has admitted to doing this in MSpaint when he has access to better programs. This is not his best work, for multiple reasons, and chances are he's not even serious about this shit, so what is there left to fix? He's not serious, why should anyone else be?

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>>367 sorry if I overreacted. I don't visit this place often and it really brings my piss to a boil when i see people acting like assholes.

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>>367 oh and I post porn here, and wish to improve. I don't feel I'm good enough, and therefore I am a true artist.

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>>369
LEARN THE CARDINAL RULE: Do not even think of drawing porn if you can't even draw clean arts well.

Furry is already full of preteen wannabes who scribble like they're rolling their faces across paper with crayons glued to their faces. Think of the consequences.

If some newb starts out and sees the crap first because of how inescapably prolific it is, they will think that's the bare minimum level needed to join and thus adds MORE shitty furry porn. And these kids will see the new shit-porners as one of them and protect them, coddle them from harsh but necessary opinions. The cycle repeats again, never improving because all they need to do to be popular is MSpaint dogdicks and circle-tool tits.

Everyone else already sees furry as filthy and immature, all that's left standing between the fandom and the abyss of failure is art. Good artists, well trained, well learned and not reliant on porn, are the last chances this shithole has at upholding any vestiges of dignity.

So, are you part of the solution, or the problem?

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>>360

umm. Yeah. Whatever you say. Way to go on assuming things. 10 points.

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>>371

At the end of the day you're still a nub seeking attention with bad porn.

Until you can prove otherwise.
You know Sai, you know OC, so why didn't you use them instead? Or are you just a soddy liar mentioning those program names in an attempt to sound smart?

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>>370 You assume much. And face it. the furry community is subject to change like everything else. You are always going to have people coming in and ruining it. that's life.

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>>374
It can either change for the better, or for worse.
By your virtue, detrimental change is change either way and we should all just roll with the punches, or in this case, limp-wristed pansy pats on the cheek.

Because 'That's Life'.

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>>370

not always true.

I draw porn, but I know my art is shit and I still see a lot of room for improvement, and constantly work on bettering my art.

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>>338

Actually I DID use Sai for the second set of outlines. Then I went back to MSPaint. What's the matter? Can't fap to MSPaint? Don't like that I used it? Bawww.

MSPaint, SAI, Photoshop? Who cares. I enjoy working in MSPaint as much as with oC or SAI or Photoshop.

I actually mentioned oC and SAI because I used them.

I also don't really have to proove shit to you. Don't like how I'm trying to learn, too bad.

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You're only here because you don't have the brass balls to go to a REAL crit site like CGsociety or ConceptArt, where they'll tear you up and stomp your bits into grease stains.

Your arrogance is unwarranted.
Your ego is huge.
Your manners non-existant.

Be thankful anyone even thought you worth helping.

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>>380
Arrogance? Ego? Manners? Mannners went out the window when I was accused of not being serious. Or was it my name? Or just because I used mspaint instead if of some other program you usually pay money (and uually lots of it) for?

I came here looking for critique on my work I'd post clean and non clean work, looking to improve myself with what I'm not good at.

I'm far better with landscapes and scenery but I decided against posting that because... ThIs is fchan.

I came here in the hopes that I can get critique but with the exception of a few people, it seems my friends can give better critique without flaming me.

...And before you assume that they are ass kissers, they've been honest and actually helped me improve my work greatly.

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>>379

Oh shut the fuck up. People learn differently. Don't like it? Don't believe it? Too bad. Not my fault. :/

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>>382 I'm one of the friendly ones here. I wish I could give you critique, but there is nothing I would know to say except keep practicing, and don't let these people with their oh so tiny dicks get you upset.

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>>370

That's bullcrap.

Sure there's artists like Kthanid and EKGoya who never improve at all, but assuming and saying that anybody who draws porn never improves is absolute bull. I've seen people who draw porn improve significantly over the years. For instance, my friend TheBoris on FA. Back when he first started out his foreshortening, anatomy and shading were lacking, but now it's much better, and there's blatant improvement in his work. Some people who draw shitty porn all the time never seem to improve, but there ARE people out there who actually practice.

I draw porn, yet I've recently picked up "Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist" and "How to Draw comics The Marvel Way". Hmmm guess your assumptions are right. I don't want to improve at all, and I never practice, because I'm too busy having all my hugbox friends stroke my huge E-dick to pictures of assholes I spend 5 minutes drawing.

You're saying anybody who posts porn is an attention whore. Really, anybody who posts ANYTHING is looking for attention, and expects comments, regardless of the material.

You got a problem with the way the furry community is, and all the "shit artists" that "lower the standards"? The fact that people see furry as "immature" and "filthy"? Well, they ARE. The community's full of drama (check lulz.net if you think I'm wrong). And let's face it, for the most part, people in the furry community are here for the porn, as is 90% of the rest of the internet. Otherwise Blotch and Zen wouldn't be some of the most popular artists on Furaffinity, and people like Jim Bernal wouldn't be so popular.

You're free to leave and join another, more serious art community. The fact that someone with your opinions is on Fchan of all places just seems ironic. This is a porn site, I could see how it would be easy for one to assume they would be allowed to post porn in /crit/ without getting their head ripped off.

I'm all for improving art. But your perception and assumptions and generalizing of other people make me sick.

Sorry for reposting this a few times, edited a few things.

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>>338

Eh, I'm more surprised than anything. Maybe a bit pissed at being looked down on (kinda) due to making this mostly in MSPaint. I'm kinda used to that though, anyway.

Just search Mona Lisa in mspaint on YouTube and just try to dis mspaint after that... Lol

anyways yeah. I'm trying not to let the idiots get to me. If worse comes to worse I'll just "tape" their mouths shut! (Oohh I'm so puny) :P

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>>388

also thanks for the critique. As for not knowing what to say, if anything looks off, I guess just say it. That's what I usually do if I can't think of anything.

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>>390

Fchan is not a porn site, it is the daycare center of furry where mods protect the weak and stupid until they're old enough to hold an argument on their own on the big bad interbutt.

>>383

Tell me then, what DID you learn?
Or did you just blindly follow someone else's lines without understanding the principles behind it?

If only Deatzh and Estell were here, they'd school you all something fierce.

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>>391

>Just search Mona Lisa in mspaint on YouTube and just try to dis mspaint after that...

Did you just... try put yourself on the same level as a senior expert who applied their skill on a barebones program that requires hours to days to weeks of carefully painting each pixel in? Skills or understanding which haven't displayed?

Jesus fucking Allah fucking Buddha, your ego IS fucking huge.

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>>394

I actually have to agree about Fchan.

I hardly post real discussion here, people get banned for disagreeing in any image board other than this one.

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>>395

Put myself on the same level? Hardly. Just giving an example after people trying to say I wasn't serious because I did something in MSPaint. That's all. But then again, what do you care? You are just dying to say that of one of three things - I'm egotistical, I'm arrogant, or I don't have manners, or any combination of the three.

Meh. Whatever. Call me what you want. I suppose it was a good idea to post this before anything clean.

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>>394

I learned several things, actually! Very valuable lessons.

Artwise, my anatomy improved loads, including proportion wise. Muscle structure overall and the shape could use improvement but what I draw actually resembles things people would recognize as stuff.

I acknowledge that I am still bad at hands and foreshortening along with drawing heads (normally front or mostly front views.

I'd post some other things (on a more humorous note) but I' think I'll just refrain.

Seriously though. If those other guys you mentioned do "rip me something fierce", I hope it's about art, and not how I'm supposedly posting bad porn and whatever bullshit you idiots are spewing. I came here to improve on what I'm not good at. Not to get "famous" through porn or anything. If you don't want to believe it then whatever. I don't have time for you anymore.

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>>394

My bad. You said "school me something fierce"

Same thing goes. Because after all, you know... I posted to...

..wait for it...

/crit/ !

Yes! That board on FCHAN that isn't about porn but critique on any art!

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>>400 don't even acknowledge them. They just cannot stand that their dicks are so tiny and they go and take out their impotent rage on anyone they think is even the least bit vulnerable.

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>>402
It takes one to know one, Mr Minipeen.

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>>400

http://www.conceptart.org/forums

If you really honest on improving, go there.

Don't kid yourself, this board is still in a furry circle, and furries are never known for standards of quality. There are only 2 credible critiquers here who're spread very thin, are not always around and may not have the patience to deal with you after battering the others.

And learn to be harder on yourself, you are your own best critic.

Aaargh, rum and Polly.

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>>404

Many actually say I'm too damn hard on myself, and I usually cause myself to be too inconfident in myself.

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>>410
Many are way too nice. Show us some lineart you are proud of. Nothing coloured. Only black and white lines.

Preferably nothing digital either so you can't lean back on excuses.

Then we'll be able to properly tell you exactly how much do or do not suck.

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>>403 It takes one to know that it takes one to know one.

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The larger this thread gets the more afraid I am to even try and approach it from any angle. I'd almost be concerned that anyone posting in /crit/ doesn't know who I am but... haven't really been around to say anything? so... Eh.

>>355
Most of the issues in this have to do with minute details with the form. The thigh looks oddly flat, lacks the tapering shape that most thighs have from the area where they connect to your torso to your knee. That said: xyr's knee is too small.
The calves flaring out are more acceptable, given that it's - from what I recall - Blaziken's character design. I always chose Treecko, myself.

The penis looks off. Not because it's unrealistically large (exaggerations of sexual portions of the body in porn? Unheard of!) but because it does not look like it's coming out of the body. It is far too far forward, and my mind connects it to the rock that xe's sitting on.

The back is like a board in that it appears to be rather flat. There is typically curvature, outward around the chest and then inward before the pelvis, and it would probably be more appealing to exaggerate that in some sense.

I cannot really tell, maybe the... uh... tuft of white fluff around the neck is confusing, but it seems that the breasts go up too high, around to the clavicle? Given that the tuft obscures it, it's probably not a big deal.

The neck does seem a little long, going by source images which show Blaziken having a rather normal lengthed neck. I would suggest shortening it slightly.

Arm's got its fair share of issues. It feels flat, looks too stiff and unnatural. As far as the proportions on it it seems the elbow is a little too low. Bringing the arm back, putting a little bend in it, would be fairly ideal.

I like the way the clouds look.

The rock looked much better before you added black to it. It kind of detracts from the form it had and looks a bit extreme as far as shadows go. I am not sure what tones of grey you used, but they look slightly cooler, so I think that using a very desaturated warm color (ie: red, orange, some brown tone in between) for the deepest shadows underneath xem. The ones on other places on the rock could probably just be a very dark grey tone. Just not black.

The light source is somewhat undefined. On the character it mostly seems to come from the left but there are areas on the rock that suggest it is coming from all angles. Considering that I really like that rock I would personally suggest you show the multiple light sources on the character.

Compositionally this is kind of boring, but to be honest I don't really know what to suggest to make it more interesting other than enlarging the background and having the character be to the left or right (preferably right) of the center. Symmetry in balance is cool, but having the focal point be the exact center of the image isn't very exciting - unless we're looking at simple mandalas.

I will hopefully remember to redline and add that to this post, and I apologize if I forget...

>>354
No sacrificing goats.
One must commit a more 'horrid' act according to the general furry populace: sacrifice a wolf.

>>390
In a lot of experience giving critique here over the past couple years, I do have to interject: more often than not, people posting porn in this particular subboard are looking for asspats and not legitimate critique, and tend to bite peoples' heads off when given any level of advice that doesn't include a similar statement to, "This is fantastic, become the most famous furry arteest evar!!!1!" That isn't to say all are, of course not, but anon does tend to weed out those that are.

>>394
I've kind of lost my ANGER RAGE ROAR feel. Still will write novels for critiques but damn, I'm just not... aggressive? Lemme go get some coffee and get worked up over something petty.

>>400

>If those other guys you mentioned do "rip me something fierce",

I'm pretty sure both Deatzh and Estell are chicks, actually. Don't quote me on that though.

>I hope it's about art

Uhhuh.

>I came here to improve on what I'm not good at. Not to get "famous" through porn or anything.

Great! Hopefully you actually mean that. I mean, you say you do, but we've always got some level of doubt, I hope you understand.

>>402
The anons or Estell and Deatzh? Those two dudes have tiny penises. I know for a fact. Absolutely tiny.
The anons don't even have penises. They are genderless.

>>404
Have any rum to spare and share? I'll pay you.
And yeah, dunno about Estell... I do visit every once in a while, see what's up, but generally don't give critique until the weekends (won't be doing so this weekend, here right now because otherwise I would be sitting around being lazy today until... you know... party time or whatever the shit this house is doing tonight).

>>411
Agreeing with the concept here that Tapeman should post work, preferably of a traditional nature (but I... don't really care, just post something else?).

Also, assuming 402 and 412 are the same person: grow up. Srs. My dick is clearly bigger than yours anyway.

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BRILLIANT FAIL, on my part.

Posting with green line.

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To illustrate Deathz's point about the back.

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>>414

hey do you have aim, yim or msn or something? I can't get on fchan like I used to. See below for why.

Go figure that this happens after you give such a great critique.

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A win and a loss today.

I might have lost quite a bit of stuff. I remember getting a crc error or two and well now my pc tells me some dll is corrupted. Can't get to my pc, thus not having much Internet. If I can't fix this, I'll have a family
members pc and an acerbic laptop with a broken screen for Internet and my tablet pc for art.

Kinda bummed out but I'll try to work on that blaziken some more, maybe. Other work as well.

Well, happy new year all. Maybe 2010 will bring better stuff as well.

P.S. Dropped and cracked my iPod. Thank god it works, else I probably wouldn't have been able to do anything for a while, Internet wise.

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>>417
AIM is Deatzhwynns, YIM is Deatzh. I think the latter's got some bit where I need to approve you before you can message me. Sure wish I could remember where the hell those settings are at.

Just tell me who you are.

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>>394

I got an idea. Take your "I'll get my big sisters to get you" and elitist bullshit and shove it up your ass. Please don't think you're entitled to judging the value of a thread until the people you're speaking about have this thread's attention brought to them (apparently, one has already noticed). It may sound like an age-old excuse to go "well, where's your stuff", but seriously, let's see some of your work. Just to make sure you understand these concepts and can put them into action rather than just spouting what you think is going to make you look smart and accepted here.

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>>428

> let's see some of your work.

Shoo, go stand in a corner until you've learned to never again say something stupid like that again.

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>>431

So I'm guessing you don't think what the other person said was stupid at all, right? Like, there was nothing they said that warranted the response I gave. Last time I checked, peer to peer was okay. And last time I checked, if /crit/ is to be of any help to the people who use it (besides people like Deatzh and Estell), it kind of helps to have people who know what they're talking about and show what they are talking about. Not to have people who have just learned rote memorization. Saying something and doing something are obviously two different things, and you can't have pricks who have learned to talk the talk discouraging someone, even if they are off.

Next time, try quoting me and using it in the appropriate context. Or, you know, at least offer a valid reason for why what I said was so stupid. I've said the same thing twice, now. Seriously, "Shoo"? Hahaha give me a fucking break. ANYWAY...

Tapeman, if you're going for realistic proportions (I don't know if you are or not), The arm looks a tinge long. Like, if you hold your arms straight out above your knees with closed fists, they should stop at the end of your knee. This arm looks like the fist would go a little past that, if you understand what I'm saying. Also, the details in the face seem a little crowded, like there isn't enough negative space between the forms. With the correction suggested by another person, this should turn out alright.

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>>338
I tried redlining the first one, without realizing it had been updated. :/ Sorry! I hope this helps anyway!

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>>338
Different zoom. B)

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>>431

I agree with Ross in I don't understand why that statement in particular you found stupid. Is it because the other user is anonymous? If not, elaborate?

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>>443
>>447
Ugh, had an explanation written and forgot to post it before rebooting.

Short version: Going "you have to show you created something equivalent or better to what you are criticizing" is flat out childish and dumb and i hope none of you ever DARED to criticize a movie. Think about this long and hard before you post anything of that sort ever again.

Me being jovial and going "shoo" is my way of being nice instead of banning.

If there are any more questions, look me up on IRC. Links are to the left. Do not continue to discuss this in here. This thread is for criticism of TAPEMAN.

>>446
You overlooked something with the arm. No matter how it is held, the position of the figure is rather relaxed and not leaning onto the arm. As such it would take active strain to keep the elbow straight, resulting in it most likely being bent at least a little. Try holding your arm down to your side and look down it. You have to make an effort to find a perfectly straight configuration. ;)

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Well damn.

I'm pissed that I have no flash drive, thus no way to even get the art to my flash drive to edit it.

Gotta love Windows sometimes, eh?

Anyways, I hope to post some more soon... for now I'll try to do other stuff until I can go back and work on the blaziken work.

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Hey Tapeman, the best advice you can get is: don't ask Fchan's /crit/ for criticism. They're mostly (aside from maybe one or two people) a bunch of arrogant, staunch snobs who don't like anything unless it's vividly perfect and almost photographic quality in colouring and anatomy, and will ridicule anything less than such. So really you should go elsewhere. While friends will tend to be nice about things, they can also not give you the best and fullest criticism possible so as not to potentially hurt your feelings or friendship with them.

Also, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using MS Paint over PS, GIMP, SAI, etc. I've seen some amazing and detailed anthro pixel work out of MS Paint. In fact, I think if you can make a good looking piece in MS Paint, that makes you somewhat more skilled than someone who has to use the shortcuts of PS.

Yeah, I'm probably going to get bitched and b'awwed at by the regulars of this forum now for pointing out their blatant delinquency. Oh fucking well. Like I give a shit what they have to say.

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>>474
You have no idea whatsoever about what it means to be an artist. At all. Go away and leave your useless hugbox-bullshit somewhere else.

And since I know you will not believe me, head over to http://conceptart.org/ and spend some time on their forums to see how artists who're actually worth a shit crit each other.

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>>474
I think you don't realize that a person needs to understand the basics of certain things and be able to draw 'realism' pretty well before they go ahead and stylize the shit out of something.

It doesn't have to look like a photograph, but people need those basics. I've done my best to turn this place into a high school classroom.

Also what Xeno said. I did m'self some browsing of that place, tried to get ideas how people with more experience than me went about critiquing artists of varying calibers. Worked some wonders, it did.

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>>479
So what if you can't draw realism? You don't want to draw realism? You want to be ORIGINAL and have your own STYLE? Is that so fucking wrong?

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>>485
Holy shit, are you serious?

>So what if you can't draw realism?

No one 'can't' draw realism. Maybe people just don't have the practice to 'see' and therefore cannot draw absolute photorealism, but that's another cookie. We're not talking about that cookie.
It's all a matter of practice and study.
It's the very BASIS for which style emanates. You need to understand how an arm works before you can go breaking the rules and stylizing it, otherwise it's just going to end up looking like shit. A convincing, intelligently stylized arm comes from the knowledge of how that arm works and what about it is appealing.

>You don't want to draw realism?

That's fine. You don't need to sit and draw photorealism all the time.
But learn the basics.

>You want to be ORIGINAL and have your own STYLE?

Originality does not stem from lack of anatomical, proportional, art theory, color theory, or compositional knowledge. Knowing these things are not going to make anyone less original.
And if you are forcing a style in your art, you are doing it wrong. Styles come naturally as one works themselves through various stages of art. Naturally. After much practice, one can become quite good at emulating other styles, but permanently sticking oneself in those other styles is a ridiculous feat.

>Is that so fucking wrong?

Oh of course. Tried and true workings that have lasted for many, many years are always wrong. You cannot have your own creativity - clearly learning the very basics of art suck them right out of you - and natural style is nonexistent and unreal. Forced style is utmost importance, because if someone cannot recognize your dogdick filled shit, then what is the point in drawing and reaching your highest goal: pandering to the desires of thousands of horny social rejects? Clearly this is the pinnacle, the epiphany, the climactic point, of artistic experience, and no one reaching out to learn will ever want to reach any point beyond that.

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Hey. Guys. Can we just let it drop? It seems people are starting to get a RELATIVELY clear idea that I'm posting here for critique. I could post a still life, a landscape, a TASTEFULL nude pic of something, PORN, or even clothed (since I'd sometimes want critique on fabric).

Most of the work I post to this very site will be along the lines of clean and not-so-clean art for the fact that this is fchan.

I know one or two people here will DEFINITELY critique my art for art - not with the stupid idea that I'm a random fool posting porn for kicks - because they now know I'm not that kind of a person.

TL;DR: I THINK they get the idea now.. no need to let the flaming continue.

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>>487
Chill man, no-one is say anything about you any more, you cool.

This is just Deathz dealing out some learnings to some naive furry who thinks whiteknighting is a good thing.

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I've officially gotten as far "improved" as I am gonna bother (save for color) with this pic. I've been trying to re-work it enough so yeah. Frustrated enough with pixels this time around, I've re-worked it with the brush tool.

So trolls, I'VE STOPPED USING THE BINARY. My art is SERIOUS BUSINESS now. Once I draw a tiger with tits, it'll be SERIOUS CERTIFIED BUSINESS. (lol yay for bringing back some stupid shit)

I had an alternate version that was more painted-esque than this but I didn't like the turnout, so I removed those layers, leaving the light shading I did here. The highlights were far more controlled than in this version but meh. The main issue I have here was the anatomy - not coloring and whatnot.

I've started a newer and (with the exception of one person who hasn't gotten the memo that I'm you know.. trying to get REAL critique) hopefully less drama-filled (we know this is virtually impossible but...) board so let's see what happens.

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