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K at 29 Dec 2005: 19:08

I have a couple pictures saved which I think would fit nicely in a couple threads. The art is by D. Lee (Desiree Lee), who is not on the DNP list, and they're colored by James Hardiman.

Is Desiree Lee's artwork considered DNP? Having them colored by a DNP artist wouldn't make them DNP, right?

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Sage Nadia at 29 Dec 2005: 19:11

Derivative law takes place. when a copyright work is subject to revision, it creates a hole new work which is covered under two separate copyright.
Since he is on the DNP, his work is not to be posted. Even if it is only coloring, it is still his work and is therefore coverd under the DNP.

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at 29 Dec 2005: 19:18

Thanks for clarifying :)

Though it kinda sucks, I have a lot of pictures that would make nice additions to many threads, and they're all DNP :(

Oh well, I still managed to contribute a couple good ones that aren't ^_^

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kayanamasha at 29 Dec 2005: 19:30

>>3

add a link to the original artist's pic instad of posting it ;) that's legal.

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Skunkworks at 29 Dec 2005: 19:37

Sage Nadia, thanks for the information.  I didn't realize that Des's stuff (if colored by me) was not allowed to be posted.  I always thought that since she actually drew it, and I only colored it, that folks would still be able to post it.  Is there a way for to say it's okay to post Des's stuff, even if it's colored by me?  Please let me know at your earliest convenience.  Thanks!  And yeah, I'm still trying to find a few other parody pieces Des drew ages ago which were never posted online...

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Sage Nadia at 29 Dec 2005: 21:04

>>5 Copyright Law, it's a love hate relationship all the way.

If you drop me an email which I can verify as yours, Asking that your color derivatives be exempt from the DNP listing, I will see if I can come up with a good way to cover it. Normally we require an all-or-nothing system for ease of use, but this does raise a valid point.

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at 30 Dec 2005: 05:36

talking about DNPs:

today... I decided to ask ya mods to add me to the DNP List.

The Furry stuff of mine can be found under the name of "Garyu", all other works are distributed under the name of "Testament" (Real Name: A.R.Rödig).

Mercí ^^

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Sage Nadia at 30 Dec 2005: 05:40

http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/home.html#rules

4. (e)If you do not want your work posted on our site, you will need to submit a request to added to this list. E-Mail Sage Nadia with your request and she will process it as soon as she is able. Only requests from the artist themselves, or their legal represenatives, will be processed.
(Whine about "ZOMG ART THEFT~!" on the boards, and you will be perma-banned. No questions, no explanations.)

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Randomness at 30 Dec 2005: 05:59

**James Hardiman**, I think I recall you saying that works you previously posted to fchan are okay to post as well, though that's probably not feasible since no one can be expected to know what you've posted here before.

**Sage Nadia**, does this mean that other works colored by DNP artists are exempt, or only DNP artists that specifically request this exemption?

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Sage Nadia at 30 Dec 2005: 06:58

Only those who request it would be exempt.

However, I have not determined exactly how we would be able to implement this yet, or even if we will be doing so.

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Skunkworks at 30 Dec 2005: 13:26

>>9<<  Yeah, since the pics would already have a watermark on them.  But as you state, it would be next to impossible to know which ones were previously posted, and which ones were not.  Best I can do is try to get online more and post more art, I reckon...

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Randomness at 30 Dec 2005: 15:20

>>10 Sage Nadia, "If" is of course up to you. As for how, a suggestion is an asterisk next to the DNP artists who allow their colorations to be posted, with a note below the list what the * means.

>>11 James, that works for me. :)

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at 1 Jan 2006: 18:10

You know, I'd just like to point out that there's a misunderstanding going on here about what exactly 'deriviative work' really is.  Coloring an illustration that was initially a black and white line drawing is NOT a deriviative work.  A deriviative work is one which takes an original piece and changes some specific element in the composition, thereby creating a new work of art.  The only way that coloring could make a work deriviative is if there was a change of medium -- say, making an oil painting based on the line art.

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Sage Nadia at 1 Jan 2006: 19:08

That is technically true, if the coloring is of the original. In most cases, in the fandom what is colored is a copy - photocopy, digital copy, etc. Which fortunately for you just happens to be a derivative work. I just like to keep my explanations simple. Less words = less chance to interpret wrong.

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