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Ketra at 26 Apr 2006: 16:50

So, why the the hate for SL pics?  I can't draw for beans, and I finally find a creative medium that I can actually put my ideas into pictures and I think, 'Great, I can finally contribute BACK to the furry community.'  Imagine my disappointment when I see people slamming SL pics. 

Do they think the AVs just magically appear?  That there's no creative effort?

What's the offical stance on SL pics?  I'll abide by that decision.

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at 26 Apr 2006: 16:52

Okay... stupid question: What's an AV?  I'm guessing that SL is Still Learning... but AV?  Artist Verrified?

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Ketra at 26 Apr 2006: 16:54

Sorry, AV is SecondLife shorthand for Avatar, which is your 'character' in SL.  It's highly modifyable.  The basic AV is pretty poor, so Furry AVs and  such have a lot of custom work in them.  Even if you buy a Furry AV, you usually have to modify it quite a bit to fit your taste, plus any naughty bits have to be customed to fit.

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at 26 Apr 2006: 17:01

Oh!  Okay.  Yeah, that should all be in here. ^_^
http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/read.php/faq/1144776042/1-40

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Ketra at 26 Apr 2006: 17:03

that's all about ageplaying :P
I'm sure SL nude pics of SL avatars don't belong in Clean...

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Ketra at 27 Apr 2006: 14:03

Well, no official response.  I'm going to assume that SL pics should be posed to the appropriate section according to subject matter.  Anyone who doesn't like them can take a flying leap off a cliff. :P

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at 27 Apr 2006: 14:15

http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/faq/#1144776042

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at 27 Apr 2006: 15:57

Just post your SL pics on /b/ at 4chan. They'll be more appreciated there.

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IChaya#IGEMrmvKLI at 27 Apr 2006: 16:54

>>6
http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/read.php/faq/1144776042/1-40
Read the very first post, that is the decision about SL pics, screen captures, links, flash, etc...
To paraphrase it all, it must meet the criteria for /c (clean) and therefore be posted to /c, all other types of SL pics are verboten

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Ketra at 27 Apr 2006: 21:11

Really?  Then that's a crock.  Are pictures drawn on the computer forbidden too?  I've been enjoying furry art for a very long time.  I thought I would finally be able to contribute back to it.  But I guess not, and for no good reason.

What a Joke.

Sculpture is ok
Computer Drawn art is ok
But computer-created sculpture is not?  That's just laughable.

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Anonymous#ns1dgrrSJ. at 27 Apr 2006: 21:16

>>10

Whoa now, don't be so hasty! O.O Just go to a similar site, like fap.yiff or something.  Not as busy as FChan, but there's no need to give up art completely just because FChan doesn't support your medium.  Art's art after all. ^_^

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at 27 Apr 2006: 21:23

>>1


Becuase, despite this, no one wants to see your character made out of 5 polygons fucking a character made out of 4 polygons.

It's not attractive, creative, and it's just downright ugly.

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Anonymous#ns1dgrrSJ. at 27 Apr 2006: 21:30

>>12

Then call me "no one", for I would like to see said characters. :p

In all seriousness though... calm down.  The internet is quite big, so I'm sure there's room for art YOU don't like as well as art for the rest of us.

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Ketra at 27 Apr 2006: 22:19

I may just post to fur.artwork.* 

As for people like #12, I don't care about them since they show their ignorance with a single post like that.

I was just hoping to post here.  There were a LOT of contributions to the SL thread that was in /h/. 

Oh well.

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at 27 Apr 2006: 22:56

>>10
It's because SL modeling is horrifically ugly.  If you want to make  models that people want to see use a real modeling program, nobody wants to look at a bunch of stretched out spheres with a cock, it's ugly and anybody claiming they want to see it is just being nice, nobody gets off on that shit.

There are a lot of people that want to contribute to furry art, but the fact is if you suck, you have nothing to contribute because nobody wants to see it.  Are you good at modeling?  Make something worth looking at in maya then.

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Ketra at 27 Apr 2006: 23:08

I rest my case.

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Xenofur at 28 Apr 2006: 03:24

going to have to review this later.

a little point tho about like or dislike, please read this to gain a bit mroe of an understanding on this matter: http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/nonfiction/uncanny-valley.html

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Janglur at 29 Apr 2006: 12:49

Frankly, there's less chance that SL players on adult servers are underage than here.  A credit card is REQUIRED for an SL account.
Here, nothing is.  And if not for the new popup ToS, minors could even be accidental visitors.  (They still can because noone reads ToS, but it adds at least some smidgeon of moral protection, and a lot of legal protection.)

Furthermore, SL avatars actually look quite good, especially when you consider the quality (or lack thereof) of many other 3d modelling artists.  I can confirm I have seen visually more developed avatars on SL than in Rangarig's movies.

Just because you don't like a specific art-style, doesn't make it any less of an art-style, or mean that noone else does.
I whole-heartedly support SL on FChan.  To do otherwise would be a blatant and obvious admitting of selective persecution on artforms.

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at 29 Apr 2006: 14:07

>>18
Already claiming persecution, lol.  I've seen approximately one sl avatar that was well crafted enough to not look like a bunch of spheres with a cock and it had plenty of problems that all the models do like clothing that clips through the rest of the geometry.

sl models look like ass because the people making them generally have no knowledge of modeling skills, hence why they use second instead of maya or a REAL modeling program with shaders and paintable weights.

Everytime i see sl avs on fchan people talk shit, theres a reason for this

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at 29 Apr 2006: 14:51

>>19 They use Second life becuase that's where they are and that's where they're talking to other people on. The tools on SL are incredibly limited because it's NOT a modeling program. It's a 3d chatbox where you can build stuff if you want.

The avatars people make in SL look quite good given the tools they have to work with, if any of them got into real 3d modelling I bet they'd make high quality stuff.

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at 29 Apr 2006: 15:06

I imagine the problem is that SL 'art' isn't entirely crafted by the individuals who play the character.

Essentially, players take a base model and add things to it.

Now, imagine if an artist were to post a base picture and someone randomly added things to it, colored it, perhaps, and then used it on their character profile.

Yes, there was some artistic work done by the 2nd party, but the base was still created by someone else...so no matter how much work was put into altering it, it was not fully crafted by that 2nd party.

Do you think some artwork would be allowed if it was crafted in the same way as SL avatars (base picture with someone else adding to it/altering it)?

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Janglur at 29 Apr 2006: 16:42

at.  Please keep your posts into one, it's unnecessary to split them.
Also, Xenofur has made it clear that non-constructive criticism is NOT welcome on FChan.  Please present constructive posts or cease posting.  'SL pics should not be allowed because I don't like them' is not a valid argument.
I will shortly be posting a picture of my SL avatar in /c/.

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at 29 Apr 2006: 17:27

I for one have contributed to my character's Avatar on second life.  I have extensively modified the default base model that someone else provided for that exact purpose.  To take a piece of clay and re-mould it to something in your mind's eye.  I would have never been able to create this on my own without some help and a nudge in the right direction.  Because of this, I am branching out on my own and will be creating my own avatars.

Second Life is not a 3d modelling program, granted.  But it uses the same principles behind most 3d modelling programs.  It's primative, but with use and user support, it will only improve.

To the person who keeps dogging SL because it looks like a stretched sphere with a cock:  How about you draw us something and post it?  Now...within 5 minutes of you reading this and let us critique it.  You have 10 minutes to draw what you feel about an abstract concept....oh...how about RESPECT?

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at 30 Apr 2006: 18:10

>>23  Acctually several of my pics are already posted here and since i'm not a furry artist i don't spend a ton of time on them, but the sure as hell look a lot better than any sl avy i've seen.  Heres one by me
http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/s/src/1134982235002_asspicf.jpg
And there is a thread in /m somebody made that has 3 of my pics with the title "artist"

I have the utmost respect for tallented 3d modeling, i model a bit myself, but it's very hard and i'm not that good and my models aren't aesthetically pleasing so i don't post them (acctually i don't really post anything here anymore, now that nadia is gone that may change).

I'm sorry but sl models look terrible, i literally have seen 1 model that i though was kindof impressive but only for an sl avy, not as a 3d model.  There simply isn't enough tools in SL to make a good model no matter how good you are and i'm sure it's COMPLETELY different from maya or 3dsm.
 

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Aisha at 2 May 2006: 04:44

hell if you ask me this was a good thing as all of the images would have been replaced some day as new pics were posted.

This ill see less old pics being repsoted for a while.

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Janglur at 2 May 2006: 05:59

>>24
Dude, if you're going to copy someone's work and claim it as your own, at least take ALL of their signature out of the picture first.
Fail.

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at 2 May 2006: 09:26

>>26
Acctually you fail.  I've never signed any of my furry pics.  There ARE no pics that i mentioned that even have ANY sigs on them, look again.

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Janglur at 2 May 2006: 14:56

*Checks archive.*  Nope.  all 7 pics have signatures.

Fail deu.  Would you like to try for a third?

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Xenofur at 2 May 2006: 15:11

"You." "No you!" "NO, YOU!"

...

Stop it. Either provide tangible proof or drop it. Both of you.

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at 2 May 2006: 23:10

Many of the same points were thrashed out on FurAffinity's forums at http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=447

...starting at about page 3 of the thread. Since the opposing factions appeared to be talking past one another, I pointed them to each other at post #95. The dispute appears to wind down after that.

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at 3 May 2006: 02:20

>>28
My god, how are you even capable of working the internet? It's the only thread in /m titled "artist" It's on the 4th page
http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/m/res/211.html

and the other link
http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/s/src/1134982235002_asspicf.jpg

so which of those are signed again?...
as for the sl avys, i think it's safe to assume that almost nobody likes them other than the tiny percentage that acctually play sl, ever notice that almost everytime they get posted anywhere but /c they are met with profanity and disgust?  maybe there is a reason for that.
Isn't there an sl board you could post them on? 

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