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MNFWCTBRB at 23 May 2006: 04:46

since so many furries are artists, and so many cartoon characters are anthros i got to thinkin. how many cartoons were created by furries? i think a good example of a furry cartoon would be arthur. ive never seen more than a minute or two here and there but basicly, everyone is an anthro.

does anyone know if any cartoons are indeed created or animated by furries? if so which ones?

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Raven at 23 May 2006: 07:00

You don't have to be involved with the fandom to use anthropomorhic animals to tell a story. People have been doing it forever. Furry is nothing new, it's just a group created to expand on something that already existed.

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at 23 May 2006: 11:55

>>2


we just added fetishes to it.

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at 23 May 2006: 18:20

>>3

I think it's why the fandom was created.

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at 23 May 2006: 18:22

I can say this: The majority of animation students at my local community college (about 4-5 years ago) were anime fans. And "Dragonball Z" was the biggest and coolest anime show that they were into. So, if animators had any say in what cartoons get produced, every American cartoon would be a Dragonball Z clone. Animators draw what they are told to draw, not what they want to draw.

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Speet! at 23 May 2006: 18:40

>>3 and >>4 To clarify: Furry fandom focused on "mature themes" aimed at young adults that took anthropomorphic characters beyond familiar allegorical storytelling and content aimed at youngsters. That inclued genres as varied as science fiction, slice-of-life/soap opera, medieval fantasy, superheros and more. These themes also depicted anthropomorphic characters that were sexually attractive. Very soon sexuality became a dominant theme and by extension, fetishes began to show up.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 23 May 2006: 19:00

>>1 The idea of Arthur as a "furry" cartoon makes me lawl. Marc Brown as a furry? Lawl, just lawl.

As Raven said, you don't have to be a furry to use anthros. It's one thing that totaly leaves me dumbfounded, when people seem to think that Shiggy over at Nintendo is a furry, or stuff like Daxter, Sypro, Sly, or even anime shows like Wolf's Rain or Kimba were created by "furries". I wouldn't doubt there's maybe a cartoon or two out there with maybe a furry on staff but if you look back, a number of artists who would be doing something like that cut their ties with furry and left as fast as they could, due to the stigma it brings. Yes, the WB animation dept knows of furries all too well, just ask a few guys who used to draw a little mink lady. And i'm sure other animation departments know of furry too and wouldn't touch anyone with ties to it. Even those people more on the edge like the Spumco crew laugh at furries.

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at 23 May 2006: 23:43

Most of the furries in the media were created because their looks appeal cross culturally. EG, most everyone thinks a cat that walks on 2 legs is cute, not everyone thinks a white/black/hispanic/whatever the fuck else I have to say to not appear racist woman is cute.

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at 24 May 2006: 02:44

>>5
 At least half the American cartoons currently "Making it" are DBZ clones.  While they don't follow the same exact formulae, they draw so many heavy influences it's almost painful.

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Juberu at 24 May 2006: 08:59

>>5
You mean like Teen Titans, IGPX, JLU, Foster's, Billy and Mandy, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Avatar....

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 24 May 2006: 13:58

>>9 Name -one- that follows Bird Studio's biggest hit. Seriously now.

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Hermie Hedgehog at 24 May 2006: 14:34

Dude. The disney version of Robin Hood is the most Furry movie ever made.


WALT DISNEY WAS A FURRY!!!11111oneoneoneelevenex-dee

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at 24 May 2006: 15:58

>>12

I've heard that he was addicted to cocaine and that he was a pedophile. Fake or not, I tend to believe that he loved children a little too much.

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at 24 May 2006: 19:52

>>13

Walt? Yeah maybe.

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at 24 May 2006: 22:07

>>7 OK, I'm friends with two furries who are employed as professional animators. I'm sure the people you talked about were fired for other reasons. Honestly, how can a company justify that to unemployment? "I fired them because of something they do on their free time"?

Other than that, not all furries are created equal. If furries are indeed being trashed in the animation industry, then it's because of naivity and stereotypes based on media interviews with the freaks of the fandom, ie, assuming the freakish minority speaks for everyone here.

>>10 Teen Titans uses much the same story formula as DBZ, and even Robin has been known to throw a flurry of "faster than fast" punches in DBZ style. As for the success of Ed, Edd, and Eddy and some of those others, well... America's getting stupider and stupider, so it's easy for children to relate to those characters on a personal level.

>>13 Which is why he ignored his own son to the point of enstrangement, right? ;)

OK, my own opinion on the original topic: any of those animators who considered their characters to be "themselves" or people they knew are furries, even if they're not part of the fandom or unaware of furry themselves. Because that's kind of the point, isn't it? True that lately the main idea of furry has been perverted towards the sexual side, but it's possible to be a completely non-sexual furry, and I think a lot of people (including some baised animators, see above) miss that point.

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at 25 May 2006: 00:36

>>13


Everything on the internet is true.

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at 25 May 2006: 01:31

>>15 Depends on the animation studio. From what I understand, if you work for Disney for example, anything you draw or create, free time or not, is Disney property.

One rather well-known artist got fired from Disney because some douchebag ass-hat thought it would be funny to mail Disney a collection of his erotic works, NONE of which were ever supposed to be seen by anyone since they had only been given to personal friends who were obviously trusted too much.

And these days, people don't need a reason to fire you. Most employers have "at will" somewhere in their employment agreement which exempts them from needing an excuse, and you can only sue if you have a case for a specific discrimination. Oh, and if you can actually afford a lawyer.

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SuperSeoul at 25 May 2006: 02:20

>>17

Same here with us aussies. Our wanker prime minister thinks it's a fun idea to introduce an "unfair dismissal" bill to every employer.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 25 May 2006: 05:49

>>15 TT uses the same story formula as DBZ? What? What TT are you watching? As for the faster punchies thing, I can't see that as 'super human' more just a cheap animation trick to show "Hey lol, he's throwing a lot of punches". I'm really loving to see how you think TT is copying DBZ's story formula.

>>15 Yes, it largely depends on the animation studio, but it's related to adult art. You going to tell me if it was found out your friends were sketching out adult furry artworks, they would -not- get shitcanned? Keep in mind, stuidos have images and how many would not care if it ended up in public that said artist was drawing smut? It also depends on said "aritst" if he's just doing storyboards and shit, then no, it's unlikely anyone will care.

The WB ref was used in ref to something in furry's past, when someone was trying to 'marry' M.Mink at a CF and some of the artists who drew her caught wind of it. But they know of furries outside of that, as there was once a artist who went to apply..and the porn he did got out.

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at 25 May 2006: 06:40

>>19 It totally is, though. Young people who train in combat are made aware of (or outright challenged by) evildoer's plans. They spring into action and fly (or drive for the non-fliers) as a group to the area. Sometimes, the evildoer is a nigh-unbeatable creature of some sort (like Slade or Trigon), but because they're determined enough and "righteous" enough, in the end they have the power to win.

Teen Titans just doesn't take 14 episodes of talking and powering up to make their point.

>>17 OK, the real story behind it is one animator was messing around at making an eritoc pic of Micky and Minnie going at it, and someone thought it would be funny to tell him to present it to the bosses, who fired him on the spot. That's per the article on Disney Urban Legends in the "Sixth Bathroom Reader," a funny name for a well researched trivia book.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 25 May 2006: 10:43

>>15

>>10 Teen Titans uses much the same story formula as DBZ, and even Robin has been known to throw a flurry of "faster than fast" punches in DBZ style.

That was stylizing, not actual speed.

As for the success of Ed, Edd, and Eddy and some of those others, well... America's getting stupider and stupider, so it's easy for children to relate to those characters on a personal level.

I hope you're not including Avatar, which has world-building of Tolkein-rivalling quality and scale. And I personally hate EE&E. It's still not a DBZ clone. TT doesn't spend several episodes just powering up, and I've never seen one of the characters just standing in one spot and yelling.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 25 May 2006: 10:55

>>20

It totally is, though. Young people who train in combat are made aware of (or outright challenged by) evildoer's plans.

That's more or less the formula of the original comic book.

They spring into action and fly (or drive for the non-fliers) as a group to the area. Sometimes, the evildoer is a nigh-unbeatable creature of some sort (like Slade or Trigon), but because they're determined enough and "righteous" enough, in the end they have the power to win.

They ended the final season all but defeated, and only won by sheer luck. And if you think the "REd X" story line was ganked from DBZ (SPOILER)





, one of the team of heros disguises himself as a badguy to get in with the bad guy. While this isn't unusual, what is is that he doens't even tell his teammates. This later comes back to bite him as someone steals the costume and takes it on a joyride.

Teen Titans just doesn't take 14 episodes of talking and powering up to make their point.

And is, therefore, not a DBZ ripoff. :D

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 25 May 2006: 12:43

Also, let's not forget that Bird Studios was still doing, or hadn't even put out Dragonball when Teen Titans was launched. (Comic/manga wise) DBZ wasn't even on the radars of anime fans.

All of the Teen Titans were trained to fight evil more or less and that's a ageless past time. You -really- have to stretch things out to connect it to DBZ and so far all you've got connecting the two is stylizing and even that's a stretch.

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at 26 May 2006: 14:41

Why is animé so popular, anyway?

I look at animé--at least, popular animé, like "Dragonball Z"--and I see six colors, jerky animation, and characters with only one facial expression:  constipated and pissed off about it.  Kind of like how Steven Seagal's only facial expression is constipated and pissed off about it.  Everything else is expressed by closing your eyes about half-way and twitching your face.  Having an orgasm?  Twitch your face.  In serious pain?  Twitch your face.  Angry or sad beyond measure?  Twitch your face.

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xenofur at 26 May 2006: 14:50

Yup, all anime = DBZ, same as all furries = fursuiters.

Anyways, go watch Ghost in the Shell, preferably the english version.

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at 26 May 2006: 16:31

>>26

I love those Tachicoma (sp) things!

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at 26 May 2006: 16:40

>>21 I know TT doesn't do that. That's why I specifically said TT doesn't do that in my post at >>20 .

>>22 As much as they focus on it, DBZ isn't about standing around and gathering chi.

>>23 Release dates have nothing to so with similarities in storytelling.

Did anyone even read what I had to say in >>20 ? I said similarity in storytelling. STORYTELLING! I didn't say they were the same cartoon. Everyone seems to thing I'm saying the TT stand around and power up. Which is totally not what I said.

But, hey, if you choose to miss the point, then let's move on. ;)

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 26 May 2006: 18:39

>>28
I'm not seeing any similarities. And a lot of the episodes are about how being determined isn't enough. Whenever the "go fight the villain" template was used, it was used to set up the major plot of the episode. It's a plot device, not the focus of the episode.

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Kumori Kitsune#99o3ns1eSo at 27 May 2006: 05:57

>>24

I'd normally shrug and just look away from this, but really, that's a narrow way of looking at anime. For one, the "jerky" animation has become less jerky over time, and it's actually a style, maybe not one that everyone likes, but a style nontheless. Also, I see alot more than six colors and with rather smooth animation in very popular anime (Naruto, Ghost in the Shell, the .hack// series, etc.). For another, I don't see the "constipated and pissed off about it" look unless you count when the characters are actually pissed off, and even then it's not often they look like they're pissed because they're constipated. As for the "twitch your face" thing, that's also a style, is definitely not used for every emotion, and is mainly used only in comical instances.

And just think, a person raised on anime instead of american cartoons could be saying the same thing about those silly american cartoons at this very moment:

"Why are they so popular? I mean, with their severly ill-proportioned characters and their completely random and pointless antics and one-shot episodes with no real storyline."

Btw, I was thinking of the higher-quality cartoons like Looney Toons and Animaniacs as I typed that. I don't seriously think that way about those good old cartoons, but just try to think about anime from a different point of view. I'll respect that you don't like it, but I won't respect an ill-thought out opinion.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound too defensive or harsh as I meant this in a light manner.

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