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at 17 Feb 2008: 10:51

stfu all, and accept reality

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Wookiee at 17 Feb 2008: 14:38

>>18
"In the end, that decision can only be made by the artists, so it is, unfortunately, the artists who are turning their backs on their more loyal fans."

I stopped drawing for a while and have already been accused of "turning my back on my fans" mostly from people that don't like me to begin with and I am cool with that.  I have been drawing furry art for well over 10 years and recently my hobbies have moved towards other interests. It has nothing to do with how I am treated by the fandom good or bad.  I don't diss anyone or feel I have abandoned anyone (or turned my back on anyone).  I also don't want to become a slave to drawing furry art for the rest of my life either.  I have many interests and hobbies besides the fandom.  I draw when I am motivated or inspired to do so and not because I feel I owe anyone anything.  My art is all over the place for people to enjoy for free so if I eventually decide to leave, what more do I owe that I would be 'turning my back on my fans'.  I never use watermarks or annoying censor blocks and the image quality is always good (not speaking for my art since that is subjective). 

So for me anyway, if an artist decides to leave the fandom or stop drawing furries, all I can say is 'thanks for your contribution.  You will be missed.' and leave it at that.

NOTE:
Please don't think this is a "I'm outa here" message, I am just trying to make a point.

Now with all that being said, it has always been my opinion that for every asshole in the fandom there are 1000 great people here.  So it does upset me to see some artists get all irate and bash the entire fandom before leaving (which is what I suspect your post was referring to).

I see the Furry Fandom as a large community.  Not everyone will get along.  Artists are nothing without the fans lifting them up and the fans would have nothing if it wern't for the atists  (meaning not just people who draw furry art but the writers, sculptors, animators, musicians, fursuit makers and so on).  It's a give and take.  No one is better than the other.  Fans need to realize that artists don't owe them a life-time of furry art and artists need to realize that not everyone can afford to buy art.       

(my 2 cents)  :)

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lost souls at 17 Feb 2008: 15:02

>>21
""So it does upset me to see some artists get all irate and bash the entire fandom before leaving (which is what I suspect your post was referring to).""
That's what gets people so mad: The artists who ignore the majority of their fans and focus on the x% that are pirates/trolls/whatever, take criticism personally, and then leave with a "I'll never want to see you all again". It's makes all furry artists kinda look bad, just like how the individual baseball player scandels have hurt the whole league.


""I see the Furry Fandom as a large community.""
The way I see it, we're not a community at all. We don't have anything whatsoever in common other than our similar interests in antropomorphic art. One would never refer to 'Dr.Who' fans as a "community" or to 'The Terminator' fans as a "community". I think people should just stop trying to make generalizations about the fandom since it's so diverse.

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wookiee at 17 Feb 2008: 16:14

>>22

"That's what gets people so mad: The artists who ignore the majority of their fans and focus on the x% that are pirates/trolls/whatever, take criticism personally, and then leave with a "I'll never want to see you all again". It's makes all furry artists kinda look bad."

Anyone who would put 'all furry artists' in the same mold as one who disses the fandom when they leave is guilty of doing the same thing the artist did originally by blaming the entire fandom for the acts of a few individuals.

"The way I see it, we're not a community at all. We don't have anything whatsoever in common other than our similar interests in antropomorphic art."

That is fine and you are welcome to your opinion, but I think you missed my point when I talk about it being a community.  We are not talking about one movie people go see once or a few times and forget about it.  Having a common interest is the start and makes up the foundation of a community.  What makes the community work is the people 'working together' to keep the common interst alive.  As I stated before, artists need an audience for their art and the fans need the artists to fuel the common interest.  So maybe my definition of what a community is is a little squed but I hope you see what I am getting at. 

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Basque at 17 Feb 2008: 16:54

>>23
Wookiee, thank you for being a kind and rational person.

For the record, I've always looked at the fandom as a community (of course, the same goes for a lot of things) , which is why like things that get everybody involved together. That why I'm paying some as of yet unknown dollars for some artist I've yet to find but will find if it kills me to commission that image for you, lost souls.

And like Wookiee said, everyone's entitled to there opinion and opinions can't really be right or wrong. But still, everyone would be better off if they were supported by everybody else, don't you think?

And I'm glad you're still around, Wookiee, I'd be sad to see you go. I do think that a lot of problems might be due to miscommunication, though, I would hope most people would be content to know how you feel like you said in >>21. If you just disappear for a while people will worry and then they'll be upset because they were worried and so forth and so on. In any case, thanks for being around, it's good to know there are like minded people out there.

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at 17 Feb 2008: 19:39

I remember reading about this movie a few years ago, the guy is a great artist and all but i'm convinced we will be waiting quite a bit longer for this movie.

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at 17 Feb 2008: 21:06

>>24

Thanks for the kind words Basque.  I am not sure what you meant by the 'lost souls' but if you want to talk you can Email me at wookiee(at)furnation.com  :)

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Wookiee at 17 Feb 2008: 21:10

>>25
Last news I heard was that the designs of the characters had to be simplified to make the animation go faster, so much of the already completed work had to be redone.  I also thought I heard that instead of being a short film it was going to be a full length film.  Since there are very few people working on this production I wouldn't be expecting anything substancial for several years at least.  Adam is a wonderful artist and from the sample he posted a very good animator.  I suspect anything we finally get will be well worth the wait.  

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lost souls at 17 Feb 2008: 23:39

>>23 >>26
"Lost Souls" is me; I picked the name from a Sea Captain quote in the Simpsons Season 10 episode "Kidney Trouble". For the record, I also like your art and I would also be sad to see you go.

I do see your point about the "community" idea, but I still think the fandom is so inherently fragmented and diverse that that metaphor doesn't really work. Fans and artists, in the end, do have to work together to support their common interests. But I personally think that it's more like many invisible hand(s) moving at once: The artists do their own thing while not really thinking of the fans (or just thinking about them in passing). The same thing is true for the fans. In general, what they're both interested in and they both do happens to overlap.

This is just my opinion. I'm not saying this to cause drama or to complain or to bash the artists or anything like that.

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at 17 Feb 2008: 23:54

>>squed

LOL Thanks wookiee, I think I just heard my english teacher struck dead by a sudden heart attack.

skewed, btw. like skewer. :>

And yeah, I do see what 28 is saying a lot, but it tends to happen to naturally-drama-attracting artists or just-starting anyway. I felt Comet and Kar both had good reactions to the piracy, and it was the fans' reaction that made them reconsider making more, at least for the us market.

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Wookiee at 18 Feb 2008: 20:11

>>28 >>29

"I do see your point about the "community" idea, but I still think the fandom is so inherently fragmented and diverse that that metaphor doesn't really work."

Then I guess we are seeing things from different viewpoints.  The circle of artists I hang with are mainly motivated from the feedback they get from the fans (I am talking about primarely furry artists and not profesional artista that dabble in furry art) If they didn't have people to show their art to they wouldn't be drawing.  I also look at places like Fchan and FA where the fans are here mostly for the art, not just for the conversation. I mean how would anyone even know what furry was if it were not for the art, literature, animations etc and would there een be any of this if there was no one interested in it? 

So from different viewpoints, I can see some people not subscribing to my feelings about this fandom,  but when I see the interation between the fans and artists at the cons I attened all I see is a community of people sharing furry art, stories, hugs, Emails and phone numbers and so on.

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lost souls at 18 Feb 2008: 22:14

>>30
""Then I guess we are seeing things from different viewpoints.""

True that. It's not like your viewpoint is completely right and mine is completely wrong or vise versa, because it depends on what spot that you're looking out from.


[Side Note: What Basque referred in >>24 was the fact that he (or she [?]) had a commission idea with a specific artist that, I guess, fell through. I'm not sure what's going on with that as of right now.]

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AAF at 22 Feb 2008: 11:57

The film is going to be a sci-fi film taking place in a futuristic Russia, and all the characters will indeed by furries.

And no, it is NOT a porno. However, it DOES have sex scenes. But they are part of the plot.

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poopy at 29 Feb 2008: 22:45

anybody hear anything new about this film? is he still working on it?

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at 1 Mar 2008: 23:54

>>25
The average time for an individual project on this magnitude is about 4-7 years, furry or non.
See Kaze: Ghost Warrior, Negadon: Monster of Mars, Voice of a Distant Star
The guy that created Jazz Jackrabbit is supposed to be making one too, but I can't remember his name. Dean something.

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at 2 Mar 2008: 02:04

>>34
Kaze Ghost Warrior did not take 4-7 years. Check your damn facts next time. If I remember right Voices of a Distant Star also did not take 4-7 years.

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shoopdawhoop at 3 Mar 2008: 00:07

when was this project started, i didnt hear about it until recently, so even if a 4-7 year time frame realistic i wouldnt be able to estimate how long id have to wait

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:3 at 3 Mar 2008: 01:11

>>34
Dean Dodrill

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bizalls at 4 Apr 2008: 23:32

bump

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at 5 Apr 2008: 06:14

>>35
Right. Skinkai worked on Voices of a Distant Star for 1 year while working at a game company, in which he created a preview. But once he secured a publisher, he quit his job and completed the majority of the 20 minute film in 7 months!

>>34
Dean Dodrill's film is called Elysian Tail. He has a gallery on:
http://www.noogy.com/
He's been working on his film since 2002, but he's taken breaks to work at paying jobs and his film is much longer than 20 minutes.

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at 6 Apr 2008: 01:03

Wan is a weeaboo? Cripes, there goes my mental image of him.

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at 6 Apr 2008: 09:41

>>39
WOW, that looks REALLY generic and boring. I mean, it looks like a decent art style to use for animation but yeah...not excited about it as a furry film. Could be watching anything else by Disney and it'd feel the same.

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BronzDragon at 6 Apr 2008: 18:44

>>41 second that

http://www.noogy.com/image/screens/2002jan15.html
this looks like the cool guy who turns out to be EVIL (see, lightning)

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at 7 Apr 2008: 07:04

>>41
Is the reason you are not excited about it, because it's not porn? Or, do you have legitimate criticism?

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at 7 Apr 2008: 13:31

>>43
I gave the legitimate criticism, get off his dick and stop with the "OMG HE DARED TO INSULT WHAT I LIKE BRAINLESS DEFENSE DRAMA TIME" BS. I find the art style to be generic and very boring looking. Nothing about it looks creative or interesting. I feel its a waste of time for any person or company to waste time creating things that aren't original or innovative in some way. From what i've looked at on that webpage I didn't see anything even slightly resembling creativity though i'm sure the animation will be nice because it looks fairly smooth from the screenshots.

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at 7 Apr 2008: 13:43

>>44
This is a common problem with many artists and animators who lack the distinct and creative vision great directors/writers have. Hell, most writers and directors lack that vision. Problem is most of these artists or animators don't have the humble nature to recognize their ideas can't compete with a truly great writer so they just work for years on a project that WILL be forgotten.

Kage Ghost Warrior is a good example of something that was a waste of time to animate because the script itself was just generic garbage. I appreciate and admire the facial animations but even the fight scenes were super boring in that movie yet furries talk about it like it's the greatest thing ever. It's not, get over it.

Get this Elysian movie and replace the furries with humans and most of you wouldn't even give a damn about it most likely.

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at 7 Apr 2008: 18:25

Furry Movies need to have more balls, like
Plague Dogs, Watership Down, and Felidae.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp5mcc47xD8

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at 7 Apr 2008: 19:50

>>46
YEAH KILL DEM HUMIES

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at 7 Apr 2008: 22:23

>>44
Your comment "not excited about it as a furry film" sounds like you may be criticizing it for not being "furry" enough. Does being too Disney-ish make it not furry enough?A

Regardless, I don't think a film can be judged based on a few screen shots. Screen shots of "Kaze The Ghost Warrior" looked amazing! The screen shots certainly did not look boring and generic, however, the story was very boring and generic. Meanwhile, screen shots of the other film mentioned in this thread, "Voices From a Distant Star", look like any other generic uninspired anime, however it's story was told brilliantly! So, I'm not going to judge "Elysian Tail" because the screen shots look too Disney-ish.

If there's anything that I will judge "Elysian Tail" based on, it's the unrealistic expectations of it's creator. It's pretty egotistical to think that you can create a feature film, something that normally takes dozens of people and millions of dollars! Why didn't he create something more achievable, like a 20 minute short film?

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Da Boyz at 7 Apr 2008: 23:26

>>47
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!

>>48
It's certainly audacious.  If he pulls it off, we can expect to see him at Sundance.

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at 8 Apr 2008: 06:16

>>48
If he's willing to waste his time and spend 7+ years making it then it's possible it will be of feature film quality though I doubt it will be super high quality animation like you'd see on a bigger team.

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Bizzle at 8 Apr 2008: 17:45

>>50
At least it won't be another Pixar film, thank the Emperor.

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anon3320 at 28 Sep 2008: 05:29

>>17
you dont know how many time's ive said that about my next album.. i just never get around to actually buying it.

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dark#dooMer.vIU at 29 Sep 2008: 13:16

the cake is a lie.

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at 29 Sep 2008: 18:56

>>52
Unneccessary bump is unneccessary.

>>53
Unneccessary reply to unneccessary bump is unneccessary.

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Will E. Fox at 29 Dec 2008: 17:43

I love his shit, male or female in whichever order I fap to it. Gah, fucksakes I should be fapping and look at me now; reading your uninteresting commentary. Excuse me... fap... fap... fap fap... fap fap fap fap fap fap fap......

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Benevolent Fur#k1AxCj2ffk at 30 Dec 2008: 14:39

>>55
WUT!?

Ahem, anyway...the movie thing was just a little teaser from Adam Wan as a means to get this fandom's hopes up.

At least, that's what I think.

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Sooniecher at 7 Feb 2009: 11:18

Where can I watch this first 20 minutes?

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gabooza at 1 Sep 2009: 20:56

He should get a sponsor to host it on a public website. plenty of advertising for whatever, as well as steady income the more hits his video gets on the internet. Not to mention several porn companies would love to sponsor him.

A good "Buy DVD here" button to supplement income as provide hard-core furries some HD plasma screen access as well as some bonus features will add to income, and wham. Everyone is happy.

That is Good old American Capitalism working for the better. Protects the artist, makes the free internet freaks happy, eliminates 90% of the need for bittorrent, and no one feels guilty.

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at 3 Sep 2009: 21:08

>>39
Now Elysian Tail is a movie I'm looking forward too, not just an excuse to make a movie out of furries fucking.

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