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Non-morphs new rules: Wha?

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Raven at 10 Nov 2006: 02:05

An excerpt from the final, yet-to-be-posted /toon board rules:

Content which may ONLY be posted in /toon:

1. Characters drawn in the typical cartoon form like official styles of Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, or Sonic the Hedgehog. Characters do not have to be from a popular cartoon, but those that aren't must look the part. Some people call this a "two (or three) heads high" style, some call it "chibi," and some just say "toony."

2. Non-morphic cartoon animals like Balto, Spirit, and those similar who are depicted in a sexual context.

In other words, WE ARE ALLOWING NON-MORPHIC CHARACTERS. If you've read over our front page, you'd see we have a special category for them under our definitions for the different kinds of furries. But of course, you haven't bothered reading that or anything else I have said.

In fact, we are doing this for the fans of this style. We are doing it so you won't have to wade through blood, gore, and shit to see your cute Balto pics. We are doing it so you won't have to worry about the beastiality label. We're saying that they ARE furries, that they may be non-morphic but  that doesn't mean they are non-anthro. Like Xeno said, as long as you don't give us reason to believe something is a regular animal (i.e. "POST ALL BEASTIALITY HERE") we will have no reason to think it isn't a furry.

But really, by all means, continue to think we are banning something we aren't. Leave over it if you so desire. If you are unable to act in a mature manner and ask questions without throwing a fit, it probably would be best you did not use Fchan in the first place.

That is all.

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at 10 Nov 2006: 02:25

>>24

Actually according to this:
- non-morphic characters from comic books, cartoons and similar should now be posted in /toon/
- other non-morphics must be accompanied by furries as they themselves do not count as furry. That means mostly: no human on x animal, no solo animals.

by your own vague wording it's really terribly unclear if a non-morphic character made up by the poster or another furry is in fact allowed or not, and how far 'animal' exactly such characters would be allowed to appear before they're considered inappropriate.

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Raven at 10 Nov 2006: 03:02

>>25

Xeno actually put that there quite a while ago as he was talking to me about how to shuffle around some of the /ah board content. It has been there for at least a month, and I find it both humourous and sad if it's taken this long for anyone to notice and if it's actually causing that much of a problem. However, it was always meant to be temporary until we had time to write up something better.

Seriously, other people have obviously seen it during that time and have not thrown a fit over it. They just started posting non-morphic in /toon. So why bring it up now? We've been racking our brains during our free time to find a good place for everything and to word the rules well. The problem is we have LIVES and other things to do. It's easy to check reports often during the day when we have access to computers, but it's not so easy to sit down for an extended period of time and make larger changes when we have other things demanding our attention.

The way it seems right now, no one really appreciates how we try our best to keep the site running, free of trolls, neatly organized, etc. They just strut on in like they own the place and throw around accusations and make demands. Well, we do the best we can and I'm sure we do more than most people would. It's the best we can do. I'm sorry if it's not enough, if things aren't worded to everyone's liking, or if some people have to go to a board they don't like to see something everyone else hates. But those are the breaks. We can't make everyone happy, and when we're met with this kind of attitude, why should we even try?

Anyway, I'm done for today. Feel free to bitch about semantics if you want, but you're going to have to do it without me.

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at 10 Nov 2006: 12:01

>>26

You still didn't answer the question, though... that rant had basically nothing to do with what >>25 asked at all.

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at 10 Nov 2006: 12:39

overall - in this and many other threads - mostly regarding rules, i regularly see confusion by the users, this shouldent suprise any of you mods.
while it seems slightly clearer to me now - saying (chibi style blah blah) still doesent make it nice and razor clear.
we have curently been going through channel rules for our art commisions chan and facing the same level of dificulty in both putting rules into place and being able to convee them well .
peace out people,
Couger

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Storm VII at 10 Nov 2006: 14:04

Ok, quick simple question. where can someone post "animal x human"?... seems like that's one of the main complains I've been reading about..

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at 10 Nov 2006: 14:15

>>29

http://www.beastforum.com/

They have a Furry section, so they probably have other art sections.

Plus... the real deal, for those who swing that way. O.o

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at 10 Nov 2006: 15:04

>>30

I love, love, love how animal x human is now banned, but pokemon x human is perfectly fine. As is cub, vore, anal fisting, rape...

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 15:48

Ok, time for clarifications.

First off, i fucked up. My explanation above was faulty and based on what I THOUGHT Raven was trying to do, not on what he meant to do. We had talked about it on IRC and I misunderstood him.

Now, in very simple terms what's gonna happen:
Most feral stuff gets moved to /toon/, except for those things where it is explicitly clear from the image that it is meant to be an ordinary, down-to-earth, animal.
Raven will put up a pre-final draft of the new rules regarding that tomorrow.

In the meantime, have a bit of patience and excuse my blunder.
 orz

>>31
Yes, i would agree with you. Problem is, we aren't claiming that it happens on moral grounds, which would put it on the same level as the things you mentioned.
We're doing it because quite simply, bestiality is not part of furry as we see it. (Check rule 1, hover the underlined words for our definition.)

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 15:54

Addendum: This counts for all possible scenarios. solo/human x feral/feral x feral/ furry x feral

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at 10 Nov 2006: 15:55

>>32
But you can still have lady and the tramp/human porn? I understand what you're trying to do but this is just silly. To just about anyone who would see that, they would consider it to be the same as any other bestiality.

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Ramseys at 10 Nov 2006: 15:57

In post #17
Xenofur said...
"no matter how big their back story is."
So Scooby Doo is out?
With out Scooby's 'back story' he's just a Great Dane that sometimes has sex with humans.

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 16:06

>>34
As always, we can't have complete solutions and settle for the next-best.

>>35
see >>32 and >>33

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Ramseys at 10 Nov 2006: 16:58

Sorry..
I was thinking about the discussion and didn't see 32 or 33 until after posting.

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 17:07

's alright. :)

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at 10 Nov 2006: 19:05

I'm curious if this has anything to do with the whole Klaus Doberman debacle.

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 19:20

Actually not. It was in the rules shortly after /toon/ was created, and just now drug up here, which led to this refining of those rules.

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Nova at 10 Nov 2006: 19:53

Question: What if the quadrupedal fur happens to be put in a position that belongs on /ah? (Ie: blood, torture, vore, etc.) The toony board would definately complain about that. Hell, people in /ah still complain about the morality behind the material. I just don't want to see pics of my fursona banned off the board because I depict him as a quad quite frequently, and in realistic looking form.

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 19:54

If it contains other /ah/ content it is fine to be posted there.

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Nobody at 10 Nov 2006: 20:00

I'm so sorry, I was going to stay out of this discussion but this last comment puzzles me.

So just to make sure I understand it right, images of solo non-anthros and non-anthros with humans are allowed only if they also contains "babyfur, non-morphic, cub, guro, non-consentual, rape, scat, violence, vore, watersports, etc"?

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Xenofur at 10 Nov 2006: 20:05

Nope, they will generally be allowed on /toon/, unless it is made explicitly clear on the image that it is a mere animal, in which case they will not be allowed at all.
They will also be allowed in /ah/ though, if they would be suitable for /toon/, but contain /ah/ fetishes.

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at 11 Nov 2006: 00:03

Why is non-anthro a problem?

What's the point of all these rules?

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 00:20

>>44

I'm confused. What your saing is that non-morph is alowed but in the same breath saying it's not. Ethior ban it alltogethor or let it be. I don't get the big deal. Hell in esence furry is just those who take a runing leap towards Beastiality and only land half ways anyway

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at 11 Nov 2006: 00:27

>>47
Read the whole thread or DON'T post at all.

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 00:31

>>48
I've read the whole thread but chose only to adress that one part of it because the whole ruleing seems like a direct contrabiction. There is a reason I chose that one post. Think carefully or DON'T post at all. Or at least take credit fir your half ass atempts at but kissery.

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 00:34

>>49
And I lost the abilty to type there. Blargh. *Contradiction *for

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 11 Nov 2006: 08:38

>>50 That's a fantastic way to not only not get what you want, but get a permaban forever. GG.

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at 11 Nov 2006: 08:46

>>51
thank you, I'm trying my best. ^^

What confuses me so much however, is why the mods are trying to stop me from helping others find what they are looking for in 100% free sites.

Maybe they don't like the idea of others going somewhere else for there porn? *Shrugs* Who knows.

As far as baning is concerned, the mods have always failed in this area. before, now, and forever. The only people who ask for a ban removal, fail to understand how a ban works, and the easy steps to get past it.

As i said before, I'm only trying to help people seach for the art they seek, nothing more. If the mods want to be jerks about it, than so can I.

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Xenofur at 11 Nov 2006: 09:05

Insults, not even asking WHY the post was deleted and seemingly not spending a single thought on the why.

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Xenofur at 11 Nov 2006: 09:09

>>48
Combine >>32 and >>44. These make up the essence of how it will be handled. Otherwise do what i asked before and wait for Raven's new draft.

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at 11 Nov 2006: 09:10

last time I did, you just deleted the post, so why in the world would i do somthing that yeilds no results?

As for "why" there shouldn't even be one now that i think apon it.

They want a certain kind of art, that you most decidedly baned for "X" reason, as such i provided a place where this art could be accessed thus negating this intire thread of arguments and anger on said comment. I'm doing YOU a favor. how your not seeing that is well beyond me.

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Xenofur at 11 Nov 2006: 09:36

>>55
I direct you to here: http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/read.php/faq/1153183382/1-40
It has all the answers you need.

Pro-tip: 2nd and 3rd paragraph.

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 10:57

>>54
Xeno forgive me if I come off as brash man but I honestly don't get why you guys are doing this. The ONLY justification I can see about all this is that it's the personal preferance by the you guys(the mods). I can rember countless times in THIS boards history where you guys(the mods) have said to people "If you don't like it just scroll past it." Why can't that still work here? No one's forceing anyone to look at it. Besides I, personaly, see a whole world of difrence between non-morph art and beastiality. Mostly the whole art thing. Anyway you guys are puting nine layers of buricratic hell on this one rule when it seems a large chunk of your comunity is aginst it. Why not just take a vote on it and save you guys some trouble and some heart ache. That way if it's voted down no one has any right to bitch.

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at 11 Nov 2006: 11:03

Simple my good chum, becuase Fchan fails. Have not ye figured this out yet?

Any place that would allow all the horrid things AH/ consists of, and erase a subject that is fairly tame NO MATTER WHAT JUSTIFICATION THEY SPEW OUT OF THERE MOUTHS, proves as such.

Good day.

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 11:06

>>58
 No sir you fail. As your are entitled to your opinion, witch is your right, but your intolerance of others opinion's is not gonna help only hinder the situation. If you can't be constructive with your post please at least don't fuel a fire no one wants that will burn everyone.

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Xenofur at 11 Nov 2006: 11:14

>>57
Check the thread again, there are maybe 10 different people, out of 14000 daily. Yea, nice large chunk.
Anyways, you still have not realized what we are doing as you are too busy feeling oppressed and to preoccupied to try to understand the rules i described.

I'll try again, hoping to get through:
We are rebranding a what was previously summarized as bestiality as toon sex and thus moving it to another board. This kind of content will now fit into toon, unless it contains actual /ah/ content, in which case it somply remains where it is. We're trying to move it up a step from /ah/ as much as possible.
There is a small portion that will be cut out, as it simply is not furry, that is the portion where the art was already explicitly branded as bestiality and thus makes a rebranding impossible.

If you still can't understand this, then i can only tell you to wait until Raven is done.

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at 11 Nov 2006: 12:19

It's an anthro board, not a zoophilia board.

What's so difficult to understand?

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F.T.B. at 11 Nov 2006: 14:16

>>60
Trust me Xeno I'm with you and get what your saying. I'm not feeling oppressed I'm just trying to have a disucusion with you. Isn't what this whole section is for? Discussion? I understand what your trying to do. I understand that your trying to reclassify it and make it look a lot better than the old classification. Thats cool. I agree with that. My whole confuseion and disagrement with it is all the red tape your puting on it. The more conditions you stack on it the more your gonna have people looking for loop holes and preaching unfair treatment. Like for instance, the critter in the picture is with a girl and she is clearly done in anime(non life like style) as well as said critter, does that make it toon? Your rules, as you have explained them to me seem like with the many ways you can interpret them that you'll have even more drama and pointless bickering over the subject.

I'm not trying to start anything or appear unapreciative of yours and the rest of your teams work Xeno. Lord knows I don't want to deal with what you have to on your SPARE(yes I realise you do this out of the kindness of your heart and thank you for it). It just seems like an overcomplicated and not completely necisary call on some points. In the long run wouldn't it be easier to give it it's own board?

Your decesion for the reclassification is understandable and honorable, but it just seems to me your going about it in a mannor more complex than what it absolutely needs to be. I'm not trying to fight the next crusade here just trying to have a reasonable discusion with you and try and understand the need for so much complication.

Xeno if possible could I at some point speek to you one on one so as to better not seem like some ranter?

>>61
It is a furry board. Anthro and otherwise. If it were just anthro there wouldn't even be a discusion about this in the first place now would there be? It is a come all ye faithfull furry board, but it seems were caught in a needless debate over the deffinition of furry.

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Xenofur at 11 Nov 2006: 16:18

Well, first off, thank you for making your intents clear and the nice words. My last post was a bit harsh and i'm glad it wasn't taken wrongly. ^^

Regarding the worry expressed in your first paragraph: Please do trust us that we won't make overly harsh judgements just to be funny. We like a smooth running board and will take steps back where necessary.

Lastly i'd like to say this to cut the matter short. (Kinda tired of chopping up wood in the rain for 3.5 hours today.) I really do appreciate your offer on the private conversation. In fact, that is the way i prefer to do things. Please do come visit me on IRC and we can talk about this all day long in realtime. :)

--

In regards to this thread: As it is full of misinformation and unnecessarily convoluted by now i will close it and direct you to the new thread i created. :)

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