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Tearlow at 21 Aug 2007: 16:23

Hey,

Fchan have come a long way but ever since the last wipe new rules have been applied that more or less Killed all of /h/ content where we now days see topics being totally raped and road killed by the mods (No offense guys, you do a good job overall). As of today the 7973 posts in /h/ are now about 500 if not less due to deletion, seriously what up with that?

It’s quite tiresome to see content being deleted due to moderators sitting with ruler counting millimeters, “…her cock is 22.1cm, post in /ah/…” but what do I know? Maybe that’s how it should be like?

I see topics about “Many” people don’t want cretin types of /h/ content in there and I could agree with most of it such as Gore witch belongs in /ah/ even if it’s a Herm. However this is said by the moderators, I would like what the rest of you think?

I personally vote for a sensible free (Except DNP material) on /h/

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at 21 Aug 2007: 16:30

The bottom line is, in my opinion, that there isn't that much BASIC /h/ material.  The majority of it pretty much branches off into /a/ or /ah/ territory, seeing as a great deal of herm artists don't just draw herms alone, they usually have more alternative themes to them.

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Xenofur at 21 Aug 2007: 16:40

Note: Even though it say ~8000 posts in the sideframe, that is the number of posts EVER in there. Now be aware that sometime in april this year we had an accident where ALL board contents were completely purged.
The earliest posts after that purge can still be seen on the older pages of /h, they were not even pushed off. /h is not that small due to deletion, it is that small due to not much content fitting into it.

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at 21 Aug 2007: 19:42

I've posted some pictures in /h that have since been deleted as have some others. I'm not someone who does vore or egg laying or any other type of stuff in herm pictures, I just do herms. Yet the two pictures featuring Blastgoggles I try to post get deleted every time (and the ironic thing was when mine were deleted, there was another picture of Blastgoggles right under mine).

So, I think the question is, can herms go in the /h section or is that off limits now? Because in, say the "Guys being done by herms" thread, there are about as many red x's as there are pictures...

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at 21 Aug 2007: 19:55

If you'd just stop liking women with ten foot long dicks, this wouldn't even be a problem.

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at 21 Aug 2007: 20:26

You've got the wrong guy. Two feet is my limit. lol

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Anon at 21 Aug 2007: 21:08

>>5

lol

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Mousey at 21 Aug 2007: 21:11

>>3

Xeno, your looking at this from the wrong viewpoint.

Herm is a fetish, and like all fetishes there isn't enough porn to compensate it as a single board. {most of all now with the rules being pressed hard there}

would it not be wise to just gut it, delete it and make all herm threads go into /a?

really, at this point its doing no better than /tent/ was.

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at 21 Aug 2007: 21:20

>>8

Personally, I hope not. I don't want to have to wade through the diapers, bondage and 100' tall furs trampling school buses and fucking skyscrapers to see a decent herm pic.

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Zenni at 21 Aug 2007: 22:08

I agree more or less with everything numero 9 said, but to me hyper isn't THAT extreme. After all GORE seems a hell of a lot worse to me as well as diapers. As a side note as well has anyone ever considered that much of the herm artwork is in fact hyper in some way. Hell to be honest i could care less about those going into a dif section if it was a small alt off of /h but I HONESTLY hate having to wade through the things in the /a and /ah. cause ill be upfront most of that stuff aint in my ally. Mind you once more i must say that is simply my 2 cents.

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at 21 Aug 2007: 22:49

>>9

Then use the thread listing above the actual threads.

No one needs to wade through anything anymore, just use the features Xeno's wonderfull skills have given to us.

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Tearlow at 22 Aug 2007: 00:49

/Rant Enabled

>>3 I should have done more Research sorry ;) But if it's not Deletion that's killing the board then what is? As mentioned above Tehres more Deleted stuff then actual content...

>>8 I really really don't hope so. Honestly I thought the /a was for Minor things such as multi etc. and /ah for the poeple who likes Furrys getting raped while eating scat (Im getting Disgusted just thinking about having to browse that).

It's a nice idea with dif. boards but to me for exaple it would be more then enough with /f /m /h /s /t /Sickpeoplesboard /c. and the three remaining. Meaning we post all But Hard material in the correct board- And Whoa, most posting issues is gone too!

/Rand Disabled

Okay people, Im calm now ;) Once I wake up I'll correct all of my errors ;)

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Engraved_Dust at 22 Aug 2007: 06:39

>>10
Classification as "extreme" greatly depends on the individual's viewpoint.  Personally, I love gore/guro art but that hyper stuff really disgusts me.  I don't see anything wrong with putting /h/ into /a/, other than it might wash out other threads there.  Using that, "But I don't want to look through THAT to find THIS" arguement is really lame, too.  Hey I don't want to look through your stuff to my find mine either, but that's how it is.  /h/ users will just have to get over it, like us old /tent/ users did.

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Izaea at 22 Aug 2007: 07:59

I find it hillarious that there are people in Fchan who think that hyper herms are considered extreme or sick by the majority of the fandom, and herms in general are not. From my history in furc and SL, and from what I've seen of the artwork the fandom produces, "hyper" is the most common type of herm - and failing that, bigger almost always seems to be better.

It strikes me as odd that you would have an entire board dedicated to herms, and not include a certain *massive* subcategory of the group.

Then there's the argument of "I don't want to have to wade through that" or "I'm getting disgusted just thinking about having to browse that." Two problems with this logic - first, you don't HAVE to browse anything; this site is designed with the ability to, just by scanning the topic list, go *directly* to what it is that you want.

The second problem is this - if you had an issue with, say, macro dragons, and every day you came onto fchan only to find - ZOMG MY SCREEN IS COVERED IN MASSIVE IMAGES OF MACRO DRAGONS - then I might be able to understand your complaint. You are, however, griping about a thumbnail.

Do you know why they call it a thumbnail?

Think it might have anything to do with the size?

Maybe the fact that you can almost cover it with your thumb?

But hey, even if that isn't the etymology, my point still stands. If you "have" to "wade" through anything to get what you want, the only thing you're wading through is maybe inch-square pictures, depending on your resolution. Why is that such a big deal?

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Izaea at 22 Aug 2007: 08:01

Meh. That being said, I'm in favor of inclusive categories, and not exclusive. It's at best ineffectual and at worst just plain stupid to shove as much as you can into the catchall category, in this case, /a/ or /ah/. If there's a board for herms, put herms there. If there's a board for toons, put toons there. If there are boards for tinys, diaperfurs, and scat-eating-scalies, then put them in their respective places, and everyone just fap in peace.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 10:25

I wish it were that simple. But with people posting Gideon (who, despite having good work, is a little harsh with his distribution) every two minutes and other pictures that seem to defy the laws of fchan, the /h/ board is slowly becoming obsolete, if it already isn't. If you look at the traffic these days, the top boards remain /toon/, /ah/, and /m/. Why, I ask? Perhaps it is because we enjoy seeing our childhoods raped, our minds fucked, and our men fucking each other. Even if /h/ was dumped into /a/ or /ah/, it would still be difficult to moderate. People would still complain about which alternative the picture should go to, and DNP would come up just as much as ever. I propose that we either put /h/ material in with /a/, or friggin' let up on the restrictions in /h/. This isn't 1940's Germany, mods.

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Anon at 22 Aug 2007: 12:50

>>we enjoy [...] and our men fucking each other

Speak for yourself please.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 14:00

>>17
Agreed.


"Then there's the argument of "I don't want to have to wade through that" or "I'm getting disgusted just thinking about having to browse that." Two problems with this logic - first, you don't HAVE to browse anything; this site is designed with the ability to, just by scanning the topic list, go *directly* to what it is that you want."

Then why does Fchan have ANY different boards? Why not just dump everything into one board and let users use those links up top to go directly to what they want? I'm sure just having one board to look over would make things a lot easier for mods also.

Lots of people, even those in general hentai consider furry pretty "alt", so why not just put EVERYTHING in /a?

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Izaea at 22 Aug 2007: 14:09

>>18

Read my entire post, plzkthx. I'm an advocate for specialization, and for seperation, for ease of browsing. I'm merely pointing out a falacy used by both sides of this.

People who want it to stay in /h/ - "I don't want to have to wade through /a/!"

People who want it moved to /a/ and /ah/ - "I don't want to have to wade through it in /h/!"

The point of the post was to say, in the end, just chill out, visit the porn you like, and fap in peace. We all talk a big talk about how big on acceptance the fandom is, so why not practice it here?

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at 22 Aug 2007: 14:40

Instead of /a/ and /ah/ I'd like to see /m/a/, /f/a/, /h/a/, /s/a/, /m/ah/, /f/ah/, /h/ah/ and /s/ah/.

As it is now, /a/ and /ah/ could only be appealing to bisexuals. There are times when I've been excited to see something I'm interested in only to be disappointed because out of 50 posts, not a single picture is all /m/.

I think this is what they mean by "wade through" things. I wouldn't look if the subject weren't appealing, but then it's a waste of time because none of the pictures listed are "for" me.

This isn't the only side of the issue, I know. I'm sure somewhere in Fchan there's a straight guy who looked through a huge thread on /a/ or /ah/ and didn't find a single straight picture.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 15:07

"The point of the post was to say, in the end, just chill out, visit the porn you like, and fap in peace."

That sounds nice. But then, what do you do when you post something you like, go back to fap to it in peace and instead you find "X Deleted" in its place? I suppose that takes us back to the original question.

"The point of /h is...?"

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FoxStar at 22 Aug 2007: 15:37

>>20 None of that will ever happen. Fact.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 19:08

>>22 Regardless of if it will or won't happen, does the idea even have merit?

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at 22 Aug 2007: 19:56

>>21

The point of /h/ is to post herm pictures. Herms are, as far as I've seen, uniformly large-cocked and "alternative." The reason to differentiate /h/ from /a/ or /ah/ is that herms are more than just a 'fetish,' they're a massive subsection of the fandom.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 19:57

>>23
Not really.

Double the boards means double the hassle.

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at 22 Aug 2007: 20:32

>>24 Albeit a "massive" portion that only actually makes up 2.9% of the images on fchan *puts away calculator*

Why not just combine it with /a then? - a /cub board would attract more posts than the /h section does. (I'm not advocating a /cub section, that really isn't my bag - I'm just pointing out there are more posts about cubs than there are herms).

Of course the way things are going everything will eventually just get merged with /toon XD

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Nick at 23 Aug 2007: 00:23

*SIGH*

Okay, I'll try this again.  I vote that /h not be subject to the same hyper restrictions that other boards are.  /h should be about herms, and since nearly all herm pics would flag hyper reports in the other boards, hyper in general should be allowed.

There, we've requested it once again, and I'm sure it will be denied once again.  Oh well :(

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at 23 Aug 2007: 06:29

>>24
I was always under the impression that the reason the /h/ board even exists isn't because it's, "...more than just a 'fetish,' they're a massive subsection of the fandom."  It's because there's so many damned pictures of herms that the regular alternative board would have been filled to the brim with nothing else.  That was also the reason for the old tentacle board.  Over time it was realised that the tentacle board actually wasn't active enough to warrant existance, and was removed.

It would appear that the same thing is happening to /h/, but its users just don't want to accept it.

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at 23 Aug 2007: 11:55

>>28

/H is not the way it is because it "wasn't active enough". You said yourself how many pictures there would be posted. Look at the
"Guy's getting fucked or sucked by HERMS" thread. It has 150 posts to it. Doesn't sound inactive to me. And there were 50 images added to the thread. Not bad, huh? Except there were 20 more images that were added to the thread but were subsequently deleted.

So, its not that its inactive. No doubt a lot of people like myself are confused as to what to do with the board since nearly half of all the images that are posted disappear for apparently no reason.

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at 23 Aug 2007: 15:53

Well, what I believe everybody needs to think about is the fact that fchan needs to consider a lot of different people an artists.

For example, for those of us who can remember back when hyper and what not was left in /h/, you could tell it was a very different place. Echochan would make a thread for people to show off on, and everybody would. Even artists like Zombiecat would do quick sketches because of the thread. It let the artists and anonymous fchan viewers interact together and even seems like it got creative juices flowing.

However, fchan can’t just think about artists like Zombiecat, Echochan Redwolf, Aubrin, Chaoscat, Gideon, Ignigeno, Daniel Kay, BNG, DrMellbourne, Kharnak, Dracos Blackwing, Sephiroth Ebonblade, Geemo, Doggy-Treat, wildrider, Mathmachine, Chessia, NachT, sukebepanda, Ecchi-Graffiti, Zephr, KittyKage, Drahor, Blitza, P_moss, Kleskvadrigaar, Kuruno, millerjsullivan, Dracmore, Blastgoggles, tinyfoxtaur, Onidemon, Merick, Rabid, Unknownwolf, Treyfox, Stupid Git, ICEman, lunarwolf, Gabe, ramzkun, modem_redpill and Doug Winger.

fchan also needs to think about the people and artists that only like normal herms. Like…well, ummm…Cara Black draws a great herm, but I don’t think she focuses on them…

Look, the point is the Mod team has made it clear that it’s going to stay the same whether you like it or not. We’ll just have to put up with it for the time being.

For the record I don't really have much against hyper herms being in /a/, it's just going to make /a/ look like: Hyper, Herm Hyper, Macro, Herm Macro, etc.  It will bump off the fun threads like Furs with Cubes.

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Raven Rivers at 23 Aug 2007: 17:34

Furs with cubes might be a fun thread, but it does kinda border on not being serious. Which is fine, don't get me wrong, but I don't think a lot of people go to /a for that. They go to /a for specific fetishes that are portrayed in a - what is to them - a serious manner.

Now, I've said it before, and I will say it again:

There's this thing at the top of /h that has been a rule for as long as the board has been around. It says, "Pictures featuring dickgirls/herms. (unless it's /a/, /ah/, /toon/, or /c/ material)." Notice the part about "unless it's /a." Okay? We did a shit job of enforcing it for a while, and that's partially my fault. But now we're trying to be more equal in how we monitor the boards.

Now why do we do that? Simple: To be fair. /h is really the same tier as /f and /m, right? It's like a third gender. And if we start allowing the "alternatve goes in /a rule" to apply to /m and /f, but make an exception for /h, that is being partial, isn't it? It's showing a preference. It's allowing fans of one board to get away with something that fans of other boards can't. It's not fair, it's unbalanced, and I don't think it's right. It would also open the doors to lots of other problems for us, and I certainly don't want to deal with those.

What this seems to be about, from my perspective, is some people who want special treatment, feel they are entitled to it, and are annoyed they aren't getting it. Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I go out of my way to keep things as balanced as possible whenever I can. It's how I run Fchan, it's how I think the world should be, and it's how the site will be as long as I'm around.

And in the end, I think there are more important things to be worried about than having to go to /a for giant cocks..

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Nick at 23 Aug 2007: 19:19

>>31  Fchan: Fair and Balanced.

It doesn't seem like being fair has anything to do with it. Why not structure rules around a board's needs and selecting appropriate rules based on the majority of content instead of spreading the same vanilla restrictions across all the boards?

Not trying to be a smartass, but I'm really curious; do you really worry about people complaining that it's not fair that hypers are allowed in /h but not in /m and /f?  Since pretty much the only posts I see here regarding this topic are people who don't mind hyper in /h, I don't think you're going to have that many people complain.  Of course I could be wrong I guess, it has happened once before.

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Raven Rivers at 23 Aug 2007: 21:47

>>32

You would definitely be wrong. Things like this HAVE come up before. That is why I am the admin and you just view the site.

I've been here for almost two years now, and I've seen a lot of shit hit the fan. I make the decisions I do for a reason, and I do believe they are for the best.

You may feel free to disagree, and again, I am sorry if you do. But everything I said is the truth, and I will be standing by that.

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Nick at 23 Aug 2007: 23:21

>>33

Obviously no matter which way you go on this issue people will disagree.  As you said above, /h used to be more liberal in what kind of /a content was allowed there and yet it almost seems like there is *more* drama since the rules started being strictly enforced. That was my point, not that if you change the rules back nobody will say anything.

I do want to point out that I'm not really complaining, just discussing the issue (at least that's my intent).  As you've said clearly that you'll be standing by the decision, I reiterate my original post when I said "we've requested it once again, and I'm sure it will be denied once again. Oh Well". I'll be done with it.

To end I just wanted to say I've been a semi-regular on /dis for about two years as well, so :P

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Raven Rivers at 23 Aug 2007: 23:27

Yes, but you don't have to deal with emails, do you?

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at 24 Aug 2007: 00:46

You'd think I was talking about one of those 100' tall herms with dicks the size of their torso and balls so huge they could sit on them like beanbag chairs...

"Special treatment", huh? Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

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at 24 Aug 2007: 00:52

Okay, if it's going to be this way where even the smallest bit of size play in /h would render it /a material, and you DO want to be fair, then wouldn't pretty much every picture in the "Girls with BIG guys" thread in the /s section be considered /a?

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Raven Rivers at 24 Aug 2007: 01:30

>>36

Cry more. Please. I tire of this incessant whining and bitching because you aren't getting your way. Just deal with it and find something more constructive to do than worry about dickgirls on a porn site.

>>37

If it's too big, it goes in /a. What is so hard for you to understand about that? Doesn't matter if it's /f, /m, /s, or /h. But keep in mind the difference between someone who is "big" by realistic standards, and something that isn't. The latter is what should be in /a. If you think a moderator is deleting more than they should, you should be following the FAQ and emailing me about your concerns, not bitching on here that "everything in /h is unfair." But I guess reading and following the rules is too hard for someone with your current obsession.


Final note: This isn't up for discussion anymore. It has crossed over into the realm of being an inanely stupid and whiny bitch-fest by a very few select people who can't get what they want. It's clogging /dis and it's absolutely pointless, as by arguing with me, all you're going to get is a more resounding "NO."

Now grow up and leave this issue behind.

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