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AnonIhmus at 24 Mar 2008: 16:50

Something should be done about the Succubus + Inccubus Revival thread in /c/..
The rules state that art must be FURRY to be on this site, with the exception of a couple pictures... The Succubus/Incubus thread is 99% NON-Furry.. I think it should either be taken down, or the non-furry art removed... I'm bringing this here to bring it to the attention of the Mods and because I'm tired of the back and forth from the rule-breakers on the thread itself trying to argue that demons are furry just because they have -some- animal features. I can glue ears, wings, horns, hooves and a tail on a cereal box- that doesn't make it furry.

++http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphic - "Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena"
++http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anthropomorphic - "ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, esp. to a deity." & "Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena. "
++http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anthropomorphic - "Giving a non human object human charactaristics."

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus - "In Western medieval legend, a succubus (plural succubi) or succuba (plural succubae) is a demon, who takes the form of a beautiful woman to seduce men, especially monks [1] in dreams to have sexual intercourse."
**http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Succubus - "a demon in female form, said to have sexual intercourse with men in their sleep. Compare incubus." & "any demon or evil spirit."
**http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=succubus - "A demoness from Hell whose sole purpose is to drain the souls of men by having sex with them while they are asleep. Also referred to as the "Temptress of the Night"."
*An Incubus is just the male version of a Succubus.

Furry is the pet term for anthropomorphic animals and Succubi are -demons- not animals with human characteristics. This thread does NOT belong on Fchan. IF the thread were mostly FURRY Succubi, with a couple humans I wouldn't have a problem. Just like if they were furry angels or furry whatever. This is a furry site, and predominantly non-furry threads shouldn't be allowed..

That's all I have to say, I suppose.

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LLz at 24 Mar 2008: 17:28

I think the real contention is whether zoomorphic humans are accepted. The same problem lies with kitty-girls. (still, demons with no obvious animalistic attributes should be disallowed.) (I do not count horns and a spaded tail as animalistic, simply because it's the common demonic convention, even if granted the horns of demons are somewhat based off a bull.)

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Nadia#Admin Emeritae at 24 Mar 2008: 19:44

>>1 Try to appreciate them. They have enough traits to make them acceptable here.

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AnonIhmus at 24 Mar 2008: 19:52

>>3
Why? They're not anthro... You guys are breaking your own rules..

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AnonIhmus at 24 Mar 2008: 19:58

"Post only furry art and do not post illegal content.
Fchan is for anthropomorphic furry art only (the occasional non-furry anthropomorphic image is fine, but don't overdo it). Pretty much anything that's non-furry is allowed on 4chan, and will be deleted. If you persist in posting non-furry material you will be banned."

Succubi and Incubi are demons, not anthropomorphs.. There is no "enough traits"... They just -aren't- anthro.

Or can we bend the rules for cub art too?

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at 24 Mar 2008: 20:08

>>3

Whow, come on. You gotta be kidding. Are you serious?

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Xenofur at 24 Mar 2008: 20:27

They have, in varying degrees and amounts, tails, wings and horns. Anthro enough for me.

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AnonIhmus at 24 Mar 2008: 20:58

>>7
I see... Well thats the biggest load of bull Ive seen since /AH/. Whatever, break your own rules, make up your own definitions. Its your site I suppose. Just makes you look like hypocrites. IMHO.

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Sen at 24 Mar 2008: 21:54

>>8
Um...they're not breaking their own rules. Fchan's terms of what is "acceptable" for furry content has always been that they have animal characteristics, regardless of the creature's true nature.

I mean hell, Cat-boys are nothing but humans with cat ears and tails, and they're allowed to be posted here. And while I personally don't like em, they're acceptable for these boards.

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AnonIhmus at 24 Mar 2008: 22:17

>>9
"Cat-boys are nothing but humans with cat ears and tails, and they're allowed to be posted"

Just another case of it. But I'm done arguing.. I presented my case to what I thought were the kind of people who would listen to the concerns of a frequent user about people breaking their rules and I was met with hypocrisy. Its bullshit, but theres nothing I can do except just move on and ignore it, so I will.

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Sen at 24 Mar 2008: 22:28

>>10
And what hypocrisy did I emit, exactly? Because right now you're coming off as somebody who just learned what the word "hypocrisy" means and is just throwing it around because he thinks it's cool.

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Xenofur at 24 Mar 2008: 22:44

Anthropomorphic ONLY specifies that it has to be animal + human. It does NOT give a percentage scale. Stop trying to be a bigger furry fascist than i already am.

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Sen at 25 Mar 2008: 00:23

>>12
*applaud*

And don't most demons have those animalistic qualities because of their particular mythos? Back when these types of figures were crated, the idea of half-man half-animal beings were more of a terrifying vision rather than fantasy.

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LLz at 25 Mar 2008: 00:23

Or to put simply, for all intents and purposes zoomorphic humans counts as anthropomorphic.

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AnonIhmus at 25 Mar 2008: 00:50

LOL!!!! My brother just told me you guys pulled down my Succubus picture & I come back to find you patting yourselves on the back...
I was letting it drop, but I gotta say- After all that fighting trying to say that horned/winged/hooved/tailed things are allowed, you remove it? XDD
There you go Sen. Theres your hypocrisy (If you prefer I can dumb it down and say "two-faced"? Hypocrite was just more accurate a word.) Stick-on animal parts are allowed, but mine is not simply because I made a joke and dared to challenge the great and powerful Oz... Er, I mean Mods.

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Nadia#Admin Emeritae at 25 Mar 2008: 02:07

From the section of the rules:
"A Rough Guide To Furries on Fchan"

"2. Humans with Animal Features: In Japan they are known as "kemonomimi." These are you typical "cat-girls" and "dog-men" that are mostly human, but have some animal parts and/or behavior. The addition of ears, tails, fangs, and wings are the most popular. Some examples are Felicia from Darkstalkers and Inuyasha."

Not hypocritical, not violating our own rules. That has been an established rule for years. We merely decided that horns were another feature that would be similar to cat ears.

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Some Random Cheetah at 25 Mar 2008: 05:08

>>15
you know, i think what's really hypocrital? trolling/starting an arguement and not realising when your wrong and then doing the exact thing you were bitching about in the first place.

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at 25 Mar 2008: 05:36

So, angels are furry, for example?

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Xenofur at 25 Mar 2008: 06:02

>>15
I am not aware of any such deletions and they might as well have happened by a mod on grounds of suspected trolling or other deficiencies. Feel free to mail me the image at [ mithaldu@yahoo.de ] so i can have a look and check whether it was deleted rightfully or not and if not, yell at said mod.

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Xenofur at 25 Mar 2008: 06:03

>>18
Yes.

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Sen at 25 Mar 2008: 23:09

>>18
I believe what Xeno means to say is that they're furry enough to be posted on this site.

Sorry Xeno, just saying that before somebody goes "OMG NOW FURRIEZ THINK ANGELZ ARE FURRIEZ WTF" since I've seen that argument already. :/

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Xenofur at 26 Mar 2008: 07:06

>>21
You're right of course. I don't count them as *actual* straight-and-narrow-path pure furries. (Tried to get a reference to arians in there but failed. D:)

They are however about as furry as cat girls to me and as such permissible.

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at 26 Mar 2008: 20:47

You're a mod, sure, so you find them permissible.  Shouldn't you change the rules, then?  The rules clearly state that:

"Pretty much anything that's non-furry is allowed on 4chan, and will be deleted. If you persist in posting non-furry material you will be banned."

There are succubus threads on 4chan that are fapped to with ecstatic glee.  I've seen more catgirl threads than I can count.  I thought the purpose of fchan was to be able to share files that would be trolled/removed, or otherwise get us a ban on 4chan.  Without a fur in them, the images of angels, bunnyboys, catgirls and angels are everyday 4chan material.

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Sen at 27 Mar 2008: 00:24

>>23
Fchan's purpose is not linked to 4chan in any way. Fchan is for posting furry artwork. Whether or not 4chan allows certain things doesn't mean they will be allowed or denied here.

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at 27 Mar 2008: 01:07

>>23

GIVE IT A REST.

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Nadia#Admin Emeritae at 27 Mar 2008: 02:12

>>24 In a way, fchan was born from 4chan.

>>23 Succubus and Incubus are both allowed. Period. It has been explained, and I do not like repeating myself.

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