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Sexuality is more offensive than violence?

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at 14 Apr 2008: 04:25

>>17

Building up a taboo never leads to good results. Especially with a universal, hormone driven instinct.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 08:08

So some of you are genuinely of the opinion that a few cusswords and a black eye are worse than having to support the teenage happy couple that drop out of school because they can't support the baby?

Yeah right.

Researchers say violence on TV is not likely to cause violence on the people who watch it. Sex on the other hand arouses people.

Whenever I watch Chuck Norris do a roundhouse kick, I don't feel like going out and beating the shit out ouf people. Whenever I see pornography or erotica, I usually get a boner and want to have sex.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 08:27

>>21
Dude, according to you, it's better to beat people up than have sex. Also, you'd prefer to have Chuck Norris kick the shit out of you than have an orgasm.

All I can say is I pity your spouse.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 08:37

>>22
Dude. According to you, kids should watch sex on TV instead of Chuck Norris.

Kids don't become violet after watching Chuck. Kids become horny after watching sex. Horny kids have sex, and sex leads to teenage pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, hearbreaks and all in all in the loss of your childhood naivety.

I'm all for sex-ed in the schools, but sex on TV is a no-no. Don't force kids to grow up too soon.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 08:55

>>23
"Kids don't become violet after watching Chuck."

Bets? Hell, ever see a five year old acting out after watching Power Rangers?

The lesson you propose is, "Sex is evil and unnatural, while violence is good, wholesome behavior."

And yeah- I'd prefer kids knowing all about sex. I also think that sex ed should start at home as  that's where PARENTAL SUPERVISION AND FORMATIVE LIFE LESSONS lives. Of course, that depends upon the parents thinking that teaching their children the real facts of life so they later grow up to be well-balanced adults who know how to handle a condom and how to prevent those STD's and pregnancy  is a duty, rather than taking the tact that doing that is supremely embarassing because it's... So... Unnatual, so just tell 'em  to watch Chuck Norris beat up someone instead.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 11:40

I really don't get this, why not just look at the numbers, the USA has one of the worse counts of Teenage pregnancies of the developed countries. I can only speculate why.

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at 14 Apr 2008: 12:34

Why is sex talked about as such a taboo subject? I'll tell you why, thank the hundreds of years of the religious right dicking around in the majority. Because its hard to a lot of people accept our primate sexuality.

They don't show real violence on TV anymore. They're now allowed too.

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Bizzle at 14 Apr 2008: 16:16

>>22
Getting the shit kicked out of you by Chuck Norris would be a once-in-a-lifetime event--something to tell your grandkids about.   It would probably be cooler if it were Bruce Lee, though.

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MoT at 15 Apr 2008: 11:50

>>27
That would impress the kids before they hit puberty..afterwards they would be much more thrilled by the story how you got your brains fucked out by "enter gloryfied pornstar of choice here".

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Bizzle at 15 Apr 2008: 12:00

>>28
Ewwww!  Would you want to hear about your grandfather's sexual exploits?  That would be as horrifying as 2girls1cup.

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MoT at 15 Apr 2008: 15:04

I would like to hear it as much as the story about getting beaten up by Chuck Norris....so not at all.

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cinnahusky at 15 Apr 2008: 16:01

O.o oh dear

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Bizzle at 15 Apr 2008: 16:02

>>30
Which is typical of stories told by one's grandfather.

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Nikora Angeli at 20 Apr 2008: 23:10

No, no here's the thing: keep the sex on TV, educate the kids, AND SHUT DOWN THE TABOO ON MASTURBATION.

Fer crissakes, if you get horny watching sex on TV at least you can go wank it in your room. It's not an immediate I MUST GO HAVE SEX NOW, as that requires WORK and having A PARTNER. Well-adjusted kids who are given the option to masturbate and educated on sex--both when to do it and when not to do it, not to mention HOW to do it--are probably more likely to get their rocks off that way then seeking someone else for sex.

Obviously this is not universal, nor applicable to every age.

However, I think we can all agree that being told wanking is a GOOD THING can be very beneficial?

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Bizzle at 21 Apr 2008: 00:42

>>33
If that's true then channers must be the most well-adjusted people on the planet.

Seriously though, I do agree.  The fewer taboos we have the better.

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at 25 Apr 2008: 01:10

>>34

"The fewer taboos we have, the better"
But lets keep some of those taboos...
like dogf*cking and childraepingz, lol.

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Bizzle at 25 Apr 2008: 01:52

>>35
Well, there's "taboo" and then there's "insane and wrong."  I mean, even if there wasn't a cultural taboo against baby fuck it would still not be awww-right.

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at 25 Apr 2008: 02:07

>>34

"The fewer taboos we have the better."

What does that even mean? A taboo is simply something society as a whole (or at least a significant majority) has decided they don't wish to participate in and/or talk about (possibly openly and/or in private).

In fact, most of the time things considered really "taboo" are illegal in some ways.  For example, the FCC rules regarding broadcast television and standard public decency laws.

What kinds of things that currently are "taboo" do you think should be "mainstream"?

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Bizzle at 25 Apr 2008: 02:17

>>37
Taboos are a form of ignorance.  The less a person does and the less a person talks, the less they know and understand.

I don't consider the law to be a particularly good barometer for determining right and wrong (particularly as it concerns the FCC).  The law is often right, but certainly not always.

Oh, and lesbian twincest should definitely be mainstream.  But only if they're hot.

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at 25 Apr 2008: 02:28

^And incest is fine so long as there are no babies, lol.

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at 25 Apr 2008: 02:30

>>38

"Taboos are a form of ignorance."

I just don't understand this mentality. Because a group of people have _decided_ not to do something it is ignorant?  Often times taboos are very relative. It might be taboo at work to ask your boss's daughter out on a date. It might be taboo to watch porn at your parent's house. It might be taboo to broadcast frontal nudity on PBS at 4pm in the United States.  How is any of this ignorant?

From what I've seen, arguments against "taboo" things are usually thinly veiled liberal diatribes against the current status of socially provocative issues.  Gay/lesbian stuff, religious stuff, political stuff, etc.

A society without any taboos is akin to anarchy, a political state which is completely impractical and never lasts long.

tl;dr: Hot lesbians are hot.

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at 25 Apr 2008: 03:04

>>40

"From what I've seen, arguments against "taboo" things are usually thinly veiled liberal diatribes against the current status of socially provocative issues.  Gay/lesbian stuff, religious stuff, political stuff, etc."

YEAAAAH! And those damn black people wanting to not be slaves! And those dumb broads wanting the right to work and vote! Lezbo porn friggin' rawks, but them thurr homo's is gross! (not srs, its a joke, plz don't banhammer).

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at 25 Apr 2008: 05:53

>>40
Look the word up in a dictionary, as you seem to have not clue one as to its meaning.

Taboos are +irrational, unreasoned+ responses to certain things, caused solely by social pressure rather than reasoned thought or any actual evidence that the behaviro is harmful. In many cases, they're actively harmful or utterly contrary to evidence that things are otherwise than what the taboo would have you believe. Laws based upon them are foolish at best.

Current society is still digging out from the remants of Victorian taboos. Some of the ones inspired over the centuries by fringe religious philosophy running wild are sitll very much with us. Just look at how masturbation is htought of generally- or better yet, how people react to a woman nursing her child in public, let alone her baring her breasts. You can be arrested for nudity, even if you were behaving like a saint. Do those reactions strike you as being rational and sound .

By the way, any diatribe about taboos is usually heard coming from the Conservative end, or haven't you everh heard of Pat Robertson and ilk?

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at 25 Apr 2008: 08:02

>>42
"A taboo is a strong social prohibition (or ban) against words, objects, actions, discussions, or people that are considered undesirable or offensive by a group, culture, society, or community. Breaking a taboo is usually considered objectionable or abhorrent." Don't spout self-righteousness until you double check your facts.

I have to agree with >>40, taboos are a useful part of society. We have taboos for the same reason we have inhibitions and consciences. Without them, anything would fly and any society would fall into a state of anarchy. Would you still be against social taboos if people were allowed to have sex in the street, swear loudly in public, and be constantly rude to you?

I see your point, though. Excessive taboos can be as harmful as they are helpful. If everything is concealed from society, there cannot be any advancement. If sexuality was more open, the world probably would be a better place. There are limits, though. I don't think I'd want to see naked people everywhere, nor people talking candidly about their masturbation techniques in front of me.

The same goes for freedom of expression. Many outlets of expression are considered taboo (or at least undesirable), such as punk style clothing, excessive piercings and tattoos, cross dressing, and yes, even furries. Having less stigma attached to these ways of expression would definitely benefit not only the individuals involved, but the acceptance of society as a whole.

On a side note, I consider myself liberal, yet think that taboos can benefit society. I consider it common sense. Besides, isn't shooting down or ignoring someone's opinion because you don't agree with it a form of taboo itself? Think about it.

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Bizzle at 25 Apr 2008: 11:44

>>43
"We have taboos for the same reason we have inhibitions and consciences. Without them, anything would fly and any society would fall into a state of anarchy."

Individuals making decisions for themselves rather than through peer pressure does not cause anarchy.  It does tend to un-entrench the status quo, though.

"Would you still be against social taboos if people were allowed to have sex in the street, swear loudly in public, and be constantly rude to you?"

You just described Florida during spring break.  I had fun.  I think what you're thinking of is more manners than taboos anyway.  A great man once said, "You can't take away people's right to be assholes."

"I don't think I'd want to see naked people everywhere, nor people talking candidly about their masturbation techniques in front of me."

It would be weird at first, but you would get used to it.  Once it ceases to challenge your perception, you will no longer be offended by it.  Unless they're ugly of course.

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at 26 Apr 2008: 02:26

>>43
You missed. Name a rational taboo. G'wan. Name one that's based upon sound, rational thought. That's what I was pointing out. About the closest you might get- if you really think about it instead of simply going "Ew!"- is incest, and only then due to possible bad effects caused by inbreeding and the problems it might cause in family behavior and internal relationships there.

You're confusing pro-survival social mechanisms and ethics, which usually have a sound reason behind them, with taboos. Taboos rarely have anything to do with reason and are exclusively artifacts of society. Some are even counter-survival.

Let's touch upon one: cannibalism, for this example. The rational proscription is that you don't hunt down your own for food. Aside from predation of your own species being a bad idea, it's risky because of health risks due to disease. It's usually a poor source of nutrients in return for effort. It's also counter to cooperative behavior, with cooperation generally being a pro-survival scheme. However, in dire situations, when there's a dead body sitting there and no other food available and you're starving to death...

The problem is that there's such a strong taboo against the consumption of human flesh in +any+ situation- even the most extreme do or die survival situation- some will starve to death rather than partake while those "weak enough to succumb" are looked upon with horror and repulsion for the rest of their lives and are expected to live in shame, with a few so traumatized that they literally go insane from the experience. Well, in this society, anyway. It's by no means a universal taboo.

Taboos do not have anything to do with "common sense." They're solely, "It makes my tummy feel funny, an' it's BAD 'cause mommy told me so!" They arose out of sheer irrational reaction rather than from any pressing need or design. They only look like common sense because you've been taught by the society you live in that they are.

As to whether they're positive things or not: going by the effects of most of them have on society, there's not very many positive ones.

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at 27 Apr 2008: 22:08

Well, there's "vulgar" language.
I mean, expletives seem arbitrary, but it adds a dimension to the language.
If you've reserved a word for extreme situations, you can better express dilemma when it comes time to use them.
Then there's the fact that "obscene" words are very easily used to disrespect people and things, so it promotes a level of politeness.
And there's always the desire to not appear to be uncultured urban trash, and, while not nice in it's inception, it seems pretty rational to me.

Similarly, sex outside of marriage can be seen to devalue the act, making it so sex will better solidify the bond between individuals.

Then there's drug use, which is extremely detrimental when you NEED drugs because of abuse.

Then there's bestiality.
People are ill-equipped by natural standards.
You shouldn't even be fucking with animals figuratively.
Not to mention the diseases and

I just think you practice some limited thinking.
Plenty of taboos are fairly rational in their cultural and social frames.


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at 27 Apr 2008: 23:14

>>46
Some of those aren't really taboos and few of those proscriptions, if any, have any compelling rational reason behind them. Vulgar language is commonly accepted by a large portion of society- and I doubt saying "fuck!" is going to cause irreparable harm to anyone. Drug use for recreational means... Well, what do you call coffee and alcohol?

Think about this: there's no real taboo against killing. In fact, if done for the "right" reasons, killing large numbers of people is considered laudable behavior. They give medals for it in some cases.

Why is nudity taboo? I mean, that's the most natural state that is. Why are bared female  breasts taboo? Why is blaspemy blashphemy, and not just discussion of alternate philosophies? Why IS bestiality so repugnant to most? Look at the actual behavior with an open mind and think about why it's considered bad. If you can't come up with any compelling reasons that cover +all+ the facets of that behavior, might it just be that it's  a taboo because we've been told it's bad? And if so, why are laws based upon those taboos, rather than for good, solid reasons, allowed to stand and be considered "good for the nation"?

If anyone needs to stop practicing limited thinking, it's you.

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at 30 Apr 2008: 02:54

A little closer to the topic of discussion. I don't belive that some parents are driven by the 'religious' side of the taboo/repression. My parents honestly just never got around to it, and I didn't really want to ask after awhile. Yes I learned, and was curious but that didn't develop into the "ZOMG we should try out this new 'game' now!".

I may be an exception in this case, althought I will agree with the people that say that we need to stop repressing stuff and at least educate. I'd like not to stoke the fire with my next comment, but...

Honestly, I'd rather have minors having -SAFE- and educated sex with other minors (no fucking pedos srsly) than having so many teen parents. Please understand that I'm not saying I want this situation, but to me its the more sensible of the two options, in my humble opinion.



In the line of 'violence' I think all that needs to be lowered just a tad bit. Not much else for me to say on the subject.

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at 30 Apr 2008: 02:57

Haha... whoops, I forgot a piece of my childhood. To confirm, yes I did explore sexually, and found out many new things >_>. but like I said before it didn't really go past that.

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at 30 Apr 2008: 22:39

>>48

Do you honestly think encouraging teens to have sex will result is _fewer_ teenage pregnancies?  What kind of pipe dream is this? There is no way it will do anything except _increase_ them. Reinforcing the idea of safe sex will not change the fact that more teens will be having sex. More sex == more babies.

So say we all.

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at 30 Apr 2008: 22:53

Solution, all teenagers must wear
a chastity belt til the age of 18.
It will be a time-lock chastity belt
that will be openable after the 18th
birthday of the person wearing it,
because keylock would make it too
easy for the parents to be selective
of who their son/daughter boinks.

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Bizzle at 30 Apr 2008: 23:53

>>50
Straw man.  I swear, I thought I could hear Bill O'Reilly when I read that.

>>51
Kinky...

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Draconis Khaan at 1 May 2008: 00:23

>>51
And, behold, for a generation of safe-crackers is born...

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at 1 May 2008: 04:37

>>53

A generation of serious hygienic problems also ;)

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at 1 May 2008: 10:17

>>54
More like a return to the Age of Empire and Victorian morals. Ever see some of the patented "solutions" to nocturnal emission and female hysteria?

No, scratch that. Chastity belts are so-o-o medieval!

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at 1 May 2008: 10:43

>>52

What staw man?  I responded directly to his argument.

>>48 "Honestly, I'd rather have minors having -SAFE- and educated sex with other minors (no fucking pedos srsly) than having so many teen parents."

>>50 "Do you honestly think encouraging teens to have sex will result is _fewer_ teenage pregnancies?"

Straw man?  No.

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Bizzle at 1 May 2008: 13:09

>>56
On the contrary, it was a textbook example of a straw man.  You mischaracterized what he said and then proceeded to attack the mischaracterization.  He never advocated encouraging teenagers to have sex.  He did say that teens having protected sex is preferable to them getting pregnant.

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at 1 May 2008: 19:54

>>57
Thank you.

>>50
I never said that I meant to encourage the sex in the first place, but I'd rather not repress it, etc. etc. I guess I didn't specify that "-SAFE- and educated" meant 'they are using birth control and condoms.'

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Tylonfoxx at 3 May 2008: 18:16

swearing and sex are both natural... protect the kids from it, and they'll get a bigger sock when they step into real life.

nuff said!

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