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Why i'm an asshole elitist

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at 30 Aug 2008: 14:24

See, until recently I didn't realize the people around me couldn't be as creative as I am. To me it comes so easily...looking through just about any article or, hell, just staring at a random object at least a dozen great ideas come to mind. Some people work so hard trying to become a great furry artist but all it ends up being is generic poses with generic characters in generic situations. I used to criticize these people.

I stopped for a while realizing it wasn't their fault but then I started back up again because WTF...if you can't do something then you CANT do it. You shouldn't give up right away but if after 5-10 years you make no real progress you need to find another passion. Don't keep doing something you suck at. What's sad is there are artists out there who have been at it for 20+ years and they haven't improved one bit because they refuse to take criticism, advice or tips.

They don't deserve pity, sympathy or compassion. They deserve a big kick in the ass for wasting their life.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 14:35

>>1
And yes...i'm jealous because the people who are beneath my talent get more watches, more favs, more friends and more attention. It's not fucking fair that I work my ass off on each piece to make it absolutely awesome...sometimes 40+ hours but some fucking generic porn doodle ends up with 10x more attention.

It's sad that people prefer quantity over quality. I will continue painting because it's my passion and I love doing it but I hate being a part of all the communities where bullshit fanart doodles and badly drawn porn result in more positive feedback.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 14:56

Pro-tip: Fans != friends.

Now bask in your new-found knowledge.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 15:08

>>3
Fans might not be real "friends" in the true sense of the word but they can help you out when you need it. Super popular artists have an issue with their PC or whatever then suddenly have commissions up the wing wang to pay for replacing a HDD. Since I have less fans, I have less "friends" who'd be willing to bail me out of a financial tough spot either through donation or commissions.

Regardless of whether they are a true friend or not these people consider themselves friends to the artist and are willing to do more to help them out as a result. Including paying $200 for some art that looks like it took 3-5 hours to make.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 17:32

If what you're wanting is popularity, then you have to become a reliable source for what's popular.  Sex sells, and in this fandom the "popular" thing is typically gay porn of someone's personal character, i.e. taking commissions or otherwise producing art for other people.  You can be the most creative and original person in the world, but nobody will care if you don't create something they're interested in.

Personally, I don't give a shit about popularity.  I draw simply because I love drawing and creating.  I put my drawings online because if I get enjoyment out of them, surely someone else will.  Yes, most of what I draw is porn, and even though I'm of some skill I would say my popularity is barely notable at best even in the circles my art caters to.  In the year I've been on FA I only recently exceeded 5000 pageviews, and have just over 300 watchers.  I do not do commissions, and have only done two requests in that span, the rest of my work being just that:  work of my own.  Compare that to artists who normally will do commissions or requests, they're much more popular.

Being popular in this fandom is all about catering to what the fans want.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 17:44

You may want to look here for a community that's NOT about porn: http://www.conceptart.org/

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at 30 Aug 2008: 17:47

>>4 I know this is a radical concept, but if you need money for something you could always try getting a job. I know I know, you're a professional moocher, and having a real job would severely interrupt with your treating-people-like-crap-until-you-need-money time, but the pay is so much more reliable. Plus, people won't hate you and that's rarely a bad thing.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 17:53

>>7
A job isn't always an option. I currently have a job and do art in my free time but there was one point in my life that no matter how hard I looked for a job I just couldn't find one until after 2 months of looking. I tried EVERYWHERE. Of course living in a state with a bad economy isn't helping but I don't have the money to move so i'm fucking stuck here.

A lot of people in the world *gasp* work two jobs and STILL barely make ends meet. If some big extra expense pops up during some emergency they are fucked. Don't insult me and those people by claiming "getting a job" solves everything.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 18:36

So if you don't improve you must stop!?  That's the stupidest thing I ever hard.  Who are you to tell people that are enjoying their hobby what requirements they must pass.  I know many artists in the fandom whos works look the same today as they did 10 years ago.  They are not looking for fame or popularity.  They do what they do because they enjoy it and enjoy sharing it with others. 

As for you being jealous of others that put less time into a piece, try drawing what people want and stop whining about people not liking what you draw.  If you don't want to draw porn go some place where people don't want to see porn.  Whining about people wanting too much porn on fchan is just retarded.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 19:36

>>9
While I agree...I think any artist who actively ignores criticism, advice and tips is a bit of an idiot. A lot of artists get really defensive if you dare to point out anything wrong and 90% of the time these are the artists who NEED the help most. So the OP should revise what he says and instead say "If you aren't going to take advice from people who know more than you do and continue making the same mistakes you might as well quit because you will never improve" that way the option to continue is still left open.

Also, there is no denying that what the OP is bitching about is true in all walks of life. Whether it's movies, music, comics or artwork there is people out there who worship things of low quality while high quality stuff is ignored. It's not like that stuff is even weird or "out there" it's just not a big popular franchise or something. Like FF games sell millions but Persona 3 only sold 200k despite being BETTER than FF12 in almost every way except production values.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 20:02

TL;DR version: WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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at 30 Aug 2008: 20:15

>>1


wow, that's quite a statement...at least you're honest about being an asshole though, and I don't mean that in a snidy way; it's better than tiptoeing around it.

Some people do get better over time though, and coming up with some random idea by looking through a magazine or around your bedroom doesn't make you a genius.

plus, how the hell are we supposed to believe you based on that?  and even if you do post some stuff up people are only gonna say  "oh right, crap!"  to get back at you anyway.

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at 30 Aug 2008: 20:27

>>12
A creative genius is exactly what the OP described though...someone who can get ideas anywhere and from anything at the drop of a hat. You'd be shocked how hard some people have to work just to create something. For someone to be able to create thousands of ideas based on just staring at a random mundane object, well that truly is an amazing feat.

There is very few people in the world with that kind of creativity. Most people merely recycle the same old ideas and follow pre-determined structure. You can tell when an artist truly has a creative "gift" so to speak.

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at 31 Aug 2008: 01:53

I don't think becoming a 'great furry artist' is much of a goal in life... No matter how original or whatever you might be. If you think you're REALLY such hot shit I recommend you to visit conceptart.org like >>6 already mentioned. Post your greatest pics in there and enjoy the new high-paying industry illustrator job.

I mean seriously, if you really _do_ have a talent, then you're wasting your time with furries. But I'm pretty sure that you would've figured out it by yourself by now if you did have the talent. So I guess this is the time for you to "find another passion" eh?

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at 31 Aug 2008: 05:18

>>10
Okay, FFXII wasn't up to par in the FF franchise but that's the only one that isn't better than Persona 3 (And don't bring up FFX-2, 70% of the FF community doesn't consider that a FF game)

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Sen at 31 Aug 2008: 08:53

>>15
Wow. I personally thought FFXII was the best one to come out since FFVI.

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at 31 Aug 2008: 09:07

LOL drama

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at 31 Aug 2008: 09:48

>>13

  how the fuck do you even know that, have you been inside the minds of other creative people and decided you come up with more ideas than them?  please. Just because someone draws a boring yiff picture doesn't mean that's all they're capable of. As refreshing as it must be to only need to think something for it to be true, this is not the case without some proof.

"There is very few people in the world with that kind of creativity. Most people merely recycle the same old ideas and follow pre-determined structure. You can tell when an artist truly has a creative "gift" so to speak."

Go to any art college or university and you'll find hundreds. What I'm basically saying is YOU don't get to pick how good you are, it's a status given to you by someone else over time once you've achieved something, which right now you haven't; until then you're just a screaming ant.

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Sil at 31 Aug 2008: 09:59

"You are not special. You are not a
beautiful or unique snowflake. You are
the same decaying organic matter as
everything else."

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at 31 Aug 2008: 12:34

>>10 "While I agree...I think any artist who actively ignores criticism, advice and tips is a bit of an idiot. A lot of artists get really defensive if you dare to point out anything wrong and 90% of the time these are the artists who NEED the help most."

Once again many of the artists I talked about (the ones drawing for many years but not showing any improvement) are not looking for critiqueing.  It's just a hobby to them, not something they are looking to deveope or grow in.  They are not looking for feedback and are just sharing what they do with us.  So if they are not asking for criticism I don't think people should be giving it. 

On the other hand, if an artist does ask for help and doesn't take it or gets all defensive then these people need a kick in the head. (don't ask for somthing if you can't take it).  I just think it's unfair to lump all artists under this second scenerio or assume that just because an artist shares something with the reast of us, they are automatically wanting criticism and are looking to grow in their art.

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at 31 Aug 2008: 17:11

yeah, well, get in line. there's a lot of talented assholes with creative genius who have yet to be recognized. and all of them are thinking the same thing you are; that the art community they're taking part in is full of hacks that only get popular off of pornography, and they're saying the same things you are; that they are more creative than the rest of the community, but they aren't recognized even though their quality is better and their artwork is more original. they've been doing it for years, and it's not just in the furry fandom.

the way I see it, there are two options. 1) become a pornographic artist, have fun with the commissions you'll get and steadily watch your viewer numbers go up. 2) stop your pissing and moaning, get over it, and marvel in your own spotlight. inform yourself that you are defiantly better then most of the popular pornographic artists, laugh at everybody else who doesn't see that, and watch the artists that are better than you.

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at 2 Sep 2008: 21:52

"remember that you are unique.............. just like everyone else."

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at 2 Sep 2008: 22:13

Maybe people realize it's a waste of time and effort to expend creative juices and effort into making super cool and creative PORN for a silly internet fetish when you could spend a couple hours, make a nice hot pic and have the same effect on people?

yes, i draw what you probably would refer to as uncreative and generic porn, i have almost 4000 watchers on fa and over 15,000 favorites.  Why do i make such mundane and "generic" porn?  Simple, because it's fast, i refuse to spend more then a few hours on a furry pic.  does this mean i'm uncreative?  No it means porn is uncreative and any time you spend making it creative is a wasted effort unless you enjoy it that much, which i don't. I like it but i'm sorry, i couldn't look myself in the mirror after i spent 30 hours of my life on a cartoon animals fucking that 3/4 of people are gonna close cuz the guys cock isn't big enough or it doesn't get them hard.

Do i enjoy furry porn?  Hell yeah, that's why i draw it, am i creative?  Hell yeah, just not with something like that because what's the point.  If you rented a porn movie with the most fantastic screen direction and subtle use of creative camerawork are you gonna care?  No, you want to see the best penetration shot XD

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at 2 Sep 2008: 23:18

>>23
Win.  This says it all.  End thread.  End forum.  End all debates.

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Draconis Khaan at 3 Sep 2008: 02:54

>>20
Just doing art as a hobby doesn't mean they have to insist on sucking at it.

>>23
When did the OP say he did porn? There is clean art in this fandom; shocking, I know.

Hell, even if he does porn, it doesn't change the fact that people go nuts for mediocre images so long as they depict genitalia. I think that's the OP's main issue here, but I might be mistaken.

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at 3 Sep 2008: 08:15

>>23
I feel very much the opposite on basically every you said.
The more beautifully rendered and composed images that are still explicit I find to be the most exhilarating ones around. I love it when I can tell the person who made the picture put energy and time into it, the sights can move me emotionally... and it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't erotic as well. So there is very much a point to it all.

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at 3 Sep 2008: 09:08

>>25
Exactly. I have no problem with porn being more popular but the least it could do is properly depict anatomy, perspective and basic artistic principles. These are things that CAN be learnt with time assuming the artist is willing to be more than some third-rate artist for the entirety of their lives because moronic fans continue to give them attention whether effort to improve is put forth or not.

For the record, I don't focus on porn but I have drawn it. Even then I still got very few additional views, favs, etc.

>>26
Once again, exactly. I've seen porn videos out there with love and care put into them that made them BETTER than regular porn. It wasn't a bunch of fake moaning and over the top sex which honestly after the 100th time you see it gets really stale. Instead it focused on good lighting, realistic sex and creating sensuality/emotionality.

Unfortunately it seems as though most in this fandom prefer the equivalent of fake moaning, shaky camera work and as many dicks as possible per shot. So long as a piece of art even depicts talent comparable to a five year old + their fav fetish it will get rave reviews.

Yes, cheap and blunt porn has it's place but at the expense of ignoring artists with talent? No.

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at 4 Sep 2008: 22:47

>>25
Even if theres nothing showing, furry is basically porn, it's just toned down porn but it's a sexualized escapist fantasy that stems from a sexual internet subculture, it sure as fuck isn't "art" which deserves creativity.  It's a sexual internet fetish, regardless of it's porn content it is just stupid enough that it's not worth spending a shit ton of time on.  Yes, the source inspiration from EVERYTHING furry completely and utterly negates any artistic value it could possibly ever have.  I posted >>23 btw.

If it's fun and you enjoy doing it then by all means go for it, but it's simply not possible to be an "elitist asshole" in furry, it's just way too ridiculous and worthless and requires no mental faculties to look at, enjoy or understand, porn or not porn.  It's furry art, if you think it has anything profound to offer society like music, literature and film you're simply deluding yourself.  What is there exactly to be "an elitist asshole" over anyways?  You draw a werewolf with cooler markings then that guy? XD

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Draconis Khaan at 5 Sep 2008: 03:41

>>28
Not knowing the history of furry whilst preaching about it = fail.
Hypocrisy of being an elitist asshole whilst decrying elitist assholes = fail.
Obvious and poorly executed trolling = fail.

Nice hat trick there.

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at 5 Sep 2008: 11:34

>>28
Furry didn't used to be ALL about porn, but it has evolved that way as stupider and stupider people became attracted to it.

You can't underestimate the vanity of people, though. ANY hobby has its elitist assholes, whether it be furry art, fanfic writing, furniture making, or antique sousaphone collection. Just because it isn't profound doesn't mean that people won't be possessive of it.

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at 5 Sep 2008: 11:57

>>14

I think this basically says it all. If the OP really thinks he's a gift for all mankind then he should move his ass out of the furry swamp. Draw something real, dude, get creative in an industrial branch, draw concepts, ads, illustrations and earn your living with it.

Furry is nothing great, even though most furries would consider their hobby as the ultimum achievement in human creativity. But if you centre too much on one topic you won't improve. Maybe, if you try to draw something else, you'll experience that you suck. Stop drawing animal people and try something else, something where your creativity can move something. Or you can spent the rest of your artists live around furries and whine how much they suck, it's your choice.

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I. M. Weasel at 6 Sep 2008: 12:50

I've alwyas tried drawing bizzare and creative ides no one has tried out before and yet all I get is the cold shoulder.  Being a 'creative' furry porn artist is NOT something glamourous.  I do it becouse I LIKE it!  They do whatever crap they do becouse THEY like it!  Blotch for example is so well loved by many and is very gifted, but all is art is GENERIC yawnable situations!  I imagine what you said was not aimed a people like him.  Prtobably your just trashing all the EK Goya's and Khtanids out there.  But go look at Alex Reynard!  DO go look at his stuff.  He has been darwing for ages and is awful at it, but by god he can dare to try wild things and does it in a witty and creative manner, all while retianing a light sense of amusement about the ludicrousness of his drawings.

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at 6 Sep 2008: 15:04

>>1 Ever consider the possibility that people don't like your art because you're an asshole? Your art might not even be that bad, but if you're going to look down on other people, all anyone is going to want to see is for you to get knocked down from your pedestal.

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at 6 Sep 2008: 15:50

>>33

Not in furry. Doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are, if you pump out pr0n people like enough, they'll still be your drooling fan brigade no matter how big a douchebag you are. (To illustrate: macrophile.com)

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at 7 Sep 2008: 01:29

>>29
Classic internet douchebaggery, don't agree with me, you're a troll XD  GB2 gaia online

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Draconis Khaan at 7 Sep 2008: 02:56

>>35
Never played Gaia Online. I stand by my previous post, however, as >>28 was clearly meant to draw a vitriolic reaction.

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Hakar at 7 Sep 2008: 04:22

>>34

Off course. Why would I give a fuck about who the artist is and what he/she does, unless I interact with them aside from downloading their porn?

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at 8 Sep 2008: 11:40

>>1

Jay Naylor?

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klokwrkblu at 9 Sep 2008: 05:38

38>>

ha ha thats a good one but is it?

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Snuggles at 10 Sep 2008: 18:27

>>1

u mad?

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