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Art critique and advice; beginner artists are welcome to post here; includes an oekaki. (NO FLAMES)

Artists, read before posting!

Before you post your art to ask for critique, please read these tutorials. They explain the basic principles of drawing and figure drawing. Most posts where these basics are missing will never get a response, as people are quite frankly sick and bored of explaining over and over that you would have to pretty much learn how to draw first, before you could improve.

Courtesy of Arne Niklas Jansson: Basic and comprehensive drawing and painting tutorial
Courtesy of Bakaneko: Figure Drawing Basics, Further Anatomy, Hands

These were brought to my attention by Aeresque#Artist. Courtesy of Scribd: Drawing the Human head, Drawing Dynamic Hands, Dynamic Figure Drawing
And for those of you who want it a bit easier, we also have the whole thing as one neat rar with all three books in pdf form.

NEW! These were brought to my attention by MajorTom in #fchan. Courtesy of Andrew Loomis: Creative Illustration, Drawing the Head and Hands, Eye Of The Painter, Figure drawing for all it's worth, Fun with a Pencil, Successful Drawing, Drawing Dynamic Hands.

If you think you know a good basic tutorial that would fit in here, feel free to contact me under Xenofur in IRC and I will add the link.

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Alright, I read the various critique you all left me and made a few changes to my picture. I'm posting the line art version as the flat color and gradient background really don't seem to add anything to the pic.

Please let me know if this is better. I do intend on adding more fur definition to the line work before I color it. I'm just getting the shape down at the moment.

Critique please.

No.303 - Link Reply Report 303

again with the penis.
Now coupled with narrow ethiopian ass!

and even if the source photo is yours, tracing will never work in your favor. The lawl-pasted-on head still looks unnatural, and you'll never learn anything. But you're not here to learn, right?

No.304 - Link Reply Report 304


Alright, I don't get this. People bitch that the dick doesn't look right then bitch when I change it? That makes sense how?

Also, narrow Ethiopian ass? This was drawn from a reference photo of myself and I'm not Ethiopian. O.o

Now, damn it, this isn't a trace! I've stated it before. This was drawn, freehand, from a reference photo then inked in Photoshop.

No.309 - Link Reply Report 309


Saying the picture is fine will not help him improve.

And as for the anonymous crit, I agree. Valid as it may have been (and it was very valid), it was brought on a bit insultingly. The crit was fine, but a personal attack was made.

There's a fine line between critting harshly and being an asshole. People need to learn, not be pushed away, and the best way to do this is to not attack them. I was told once, over a 3D animation I made, "The wrist is horrible, kill yourself." which is a perfect example of someone using crit as a means to insult, and I had no respect for said person after that, regardless of how good he was at what he does and how much he could teach me.

As for this picture, aside from a new neck, some changes to the face, some erased lines and redrawn balls, what changes have been made, exactly? I'm still seeing a lot of things that haven't been fixed, including the knees and the shape of the head.

Also this could have been uploaded to the previous thread, it would have made things alot easier

No.310 - Link Reply Report 310


>the anonymous posters are dicks and shouldnt be listed too.

Way to take what I said out of context, jo.

Anonymous posters have a tendency to be dicks to weed out the morons who aren't really here for improvement. Does that mean their points are invalid and any critique that someone who's not a namefag (ie: me, since I use "Deatzh" as a moniker) should be ignored? No. You best do your damnedest to listen to the most valid critiques, even if they're laden with insult after insult.


>People bitch that the dick doesn't look right then bitch when I change it? That makes sense how?

You didn't change the dick, you changed the balls. If anon is saying that the dick is small, that's your choice on whether you want to ignore it or change it to a giant fuckstick.

Everything else I wanted to point out has already been said by >>309

No.311 - Link Reply Report 311


Uh, compare the junk from both pictures. I actually completely redrew the dick, even if it looks similar, in an attempt to get it at a better angle. I just can't quite seem to get it right, it would seem.

No.312 - Link Reply Report 312

You, who deleted both of your threads in an attempt to cover your nubness and completely ignored Estell's redline, have no place to talk

You know why it's called junk? Because it's useless compared to the rest of the of the body.

You're focusing way too much on the genitals and completely neglecting the rest of the body. Everything about it, from the toes to the fingers, look unnatural and reeks of trace, no matter how hard you try to deny it. And just because you referenced a photo doesn't make it proportionally sound.

You're like a preschooler gurgling big words without knowing what they mean.

No.314 - Link Reply Report 314

Wow what a piss ant to others you are. I cant believe a insignificant little speck such as your self could ever comment so ludicrously about others when you are not better. Anon get the fuck out, and don't go judging others. He or she may have deleted the pictures to improve them farther.

No.315 - Link Reply Report 315

That's some mighty huge asshurt there, you might consider lubricant the next time you take a redwood up the ass.

And the point is valid. If you TRULY want to improve and a redline was supplied, you'd leave it alone and compare the progress to that, which will lead to more refining and so on so forth until something good comes out of it. Not delete the thread and run away crying.

Besides, bigdaveberg must learn to grow a thicker skin. Furry is not a hugbox, if you're not tall enough to get on the ride and went on anyway, don't blame anyone else if you get hurt or sickened.

Also, LOL, anon telling anon to shove off.

No.316 - Link Reply Report 316

I did and didn't see a significant enough difference short from the balls. I wasn't going to go switching back and forth rapidly because there would have been enough of a difference to give me a seizure and they're not aligned well enough to do such.
Granted, if I look again I'll notice it, but I don't care to at the moment. It's not the weekend.

Estell redlined something from BDB? I missed this. :/

Oh you, so much drama in such a little post. I cannot believe you pulled the "WELL YOU CAN'T DO ANY BETTER SO YOUR CRITIQUE IS INVALID" card. It's just hilarious and stupid, all rolled together into a neat, consumable form.

>don't go judging others.

Anon's post isn't very judgmental at all, really. The first line is kind of, but to be honest it looks exactly the same from this viewpoint too. Exactly the same. I'll explain why. Your post on the other hand...

>He or she may have deleted the pictures to improve them farther

BDB posted a thread, and after I spent a good long time writing up some delicious prose, went along and deleted that thread. Kind of a slap in the face, but whatever. I miraculously stumbled on him on FA (that is, he used an alias so it was easy as shit), and commented on the piece there, only to find that it was ALSO DELETED a short while later, then reuploaded after that.
Oddly, they've been up for a while now.
This makes it look like: BDB cannot take criticism and tears his shit down the moment something halfway negative is said about his art. Clearly he'll leave them up now that he's getting asspats from whoever is watching him, as opposed to something beneficial to his work.
You make a thread here, you LEAVE THE SHIT UP so commentary can continue to be made, so you can post your new work in that thread, and people can see improvement.

In any case, and I said this on lulz, if BDB makes another thread here I am counterposting it all into a thread of my creation, so he cannot delete it.

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BDB posted this up, Estell gave a very comprehensive redline and as if completely disregarding Estell's effort, he just colored the swimsuit black and called it an improvement.

No.319 - Link Reply Report 319

Um i colored the suit black way before the person redlined, i scaned and made 3 copies. I haven't totaly disregared his redline, i want to start over on that picture. WITH the redline in mind

No.320 - Link Reply Report 320

Whoops, too late, you deleted your thread. TWICE. Now no one will believe you or take you seriously.

No.321 - Link Reply Report 321

Yes well I am well aware of the repercussions of my actions. In an attempt to make amends, if I can, I am sorry Estell, it wasn't my intentions to not look at your help and try to improve, I really did take time and look at the redline while I was drawing my next image, which is being worked on.

No.322 - Link Reply Report 322

Third time's a charm.

Enjoy your thread that you can't delete.

No.324 - Link Reply Report 324

What are you talking about?

No.325 - Link Reply Report 325

I saw the thread you posted and consequently deleted. If it's still sitting around somewhere then my browser is fucked, I hard refreshed five times just to check.

No.327 - Link Reply Report 327


why is there no edit post option? I would have loved that before i deleted the post. oh well when the picture is finished i will post it so i can stay

No.330 - Link Reply Report 330

so it can stay i mean... again no edit post...

No.336 - Link Reply Report 336

I'm sorry Jakk, this shouldn't be in your thread. If you're still bumming around I'd suggest just reposting your picture in your old thread, we'll see what we can do about this one.

Also loltest.

And you, BDB, GOOD JOB. You made me stop caring.

No.337 - Link Reply Report 337


and that's why you've got us hardassed anons to filter out the crap for you firsthand.

No.341 - Link Reply Report 341

You crazyass anons are highly appreciated.
Just throwing that one out there.