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Art critique and advice; beginner artists are welcome to post here; includes an oekaki. (NO FLAMES)

Artists, read before posting!

Before you post your art to ask for critique, please read these tutorials. They explain the basic principles of drawing and figure drawing. Most posts where these basics are missing will never get a response, as people are quite frankly sick and bored of explaining over and over that you would have to pretty much learn how to draw first, before you could improve.

Courtesy of Arne Niklas Jansson: Basic and comprehensive drawing and painting tutorial
Courtesy of Bakaneko: Figure Drawing Basics, Further Anatomy, Hands

These were brought to my attention by Aeresque#Artist. Courtesy of Scribd: Drawing the Human head, Drawing Dynamic Hands, Dynamic Figure Drawing
And for those of you who want it a bit easier, we also have the whole thing as one neat rar with all three books in pdf form.

NEW! These were brought to my attention by MajorTom in #fchan. Courtesy of Andrew Loomis: Creative Illustration, Drawing the Head and Hands, Eye Of The Painter, Figure drawing for all it's worth, Fun with a Pencil, Successful Drawing, Drawing Dynamic Hands.

If you think you know a good basic tutorial that would fit in here, feel free to contact me under Xenofur in IRC and I will add the link.





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[-] [+] No.58
Tail from 'Red Twilight' 
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Source: http://www.myspace.com/439772197
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4472831 No.59 - Link Reply Report 59

looks like when it went through the scanner some res. was lost

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2083820 No.61 - Link Reply Report 61

thank you for your feed back, yo can find Red Twilight @
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=55610

No.62 - Link Reply Report 62

>>60 ok this isn't Tail this is Karin from the same saga, she makes her appearance in 'Red Twilight: Long Distance Runners' that isn't out wet but there are pre-editorial previews up on myspace.com.

rumor has is that this is one of the cover concepts.

No.63 - Link Reply Report 63

I do not foresee this thread having a good outcome.

You will get your commentary tomorrow after I've had time to sit and think about what I should say.
Also so I can drink some poison (Starbucks is giving out free coffee if I try their junk!), tip my beret, and pretend I'm superior to everyone.

No.64 - Link Reply Report 64

>>63

Then I shall start it for you.

Holy crap it's hideous, and that you posted the unresized version makes the ugly even uglier. Abuse of crayons, not even colored within the lines. And I haven't even begun on the atrocious anatomy and the characters that fell off the ugly tree and hit all the branches on the way down.

That had better not be an artbook you're trying to sell there, if it is it should be considered a crime to charge people $10 to blind them.

No.65 - Link Reply Report 65

>>64
It's a 'novel,' number one of his planned five.

No.66 - Link Reply Report 66

>>65

Great, it's like Kenneth Eng only instead of dragons, bad parodies of hellsing and furries.

No.72 - Link Reply Report 72

>>64 these were done with coal on construction paper, i decided 10 years ago i would never work with acrylic again. but i think i see why charcoal is a dieing art form. it is taxing not to blind it in unwanted ways.

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8248 No.76 - Link Reply Report 76

You're next on my list but my dinner/coffee break is now.

I didn't get Starbucks, but Caribou is better anyway. Ten percent of their proceeds are going toward curing breast cancer right now too! :>

No.79 - Link Reply Report 79

All right, here's the fun stuff.

I get the feeling you've had people tell you, "Your stuff is bad and you should feel bad," or something along those lines, but you have chosen to ignore them. Why are you here, what are you expecting to hear? You're likely not going to get what you want. Not from a single person.

I made a slight effort to read "The Perfect Dream 1" but stopped shortly into it because it was, I'm sorry, that bad. Why, even the 1 being immediately after Dream sounds ridiculous.
In the first three paragraphs, you have words capitalized without reason, words lacking correct spacing, incorrect verbs and nouns, spelling errors... There are sentence fragments without reason, and it lacks a flow that is expected in a story.
Following this, it skips around from one character to the next, barely explaining each one, and making me wonder why you're doing it. None of these characters are built up enough for me to care.
You need to realize that, while all these characters are wholly fleshed out in your mind, while your entire world is built up, you cannot present only small portions of it to others and expect them to see it the same way. You cannot give us tiny bits of information in poorly written prose and expect us to want to read more, or care that you've written this, or waste our money on your self-published garbage.

Also, what is with the use of these modified ellipses? ....? This is used in quotations where a portion has been omitted. Are these seriously in your final draft?

I do not claim to be a 'good' writer, but I am wholly aware that your writing is bad, and that you need to spend time to make sure you're using punctuation and terms correctly.
I said this about Stephanie Meyer's garbage after finding five major editorial errors within fifteen pages, and will paraphrase it here because it is necessary: If you are going to get your shit published, proofread it, or have an editor proofread it for you. If you cannot make that effort, then your shit should not be published.

>>72
Charcoal on construction paper? While one COULD use construction paper with charcoal, buying charcoal or watercolor paper would be a much better option, as the teeth/texture grab onto it much better.
Charcoal does not come in 'colors'. Charcoal is black, or certain variations of a grey. Charcoal is formed by fire, that is what happens to it. There is such a thing as 'white' charcoal, formed by fire, but if I recall right, it's not actually white. It's much more like vine charcoal, which is fucking awesome. The stuff in stores sold as "white charcoal" is not actually charcoal.

So you're likely using pastels of some form. It appears to be something waxy in substance or 'wet'. It COULD be oil pastels, but it looks more like crayon, and I am hard-pressed to believe anything else.

Also, charcoal is not a dying art form. It is widely used as a basis for learning, and looks fantastic when put in the hands of someone more experienced. It has a very wide range of usage, and is loved by newbies and professionals alike.

You lack a basic understanding of art. You have no concept of the elements of art, nor the principles of design, nor form, anatomy, nor proportion. You do not know how to use your media, whether it is pencil, pen/ink, crayon or 'pastel,' or charcoal.
You would need to strip yourself down to the basics. Give yourself a pencil and a lot of paper, study on the elements of art and the principles of design, look into the understanding of the form, anatomy, and proportions of a human body. Study animal features, add those together with human features intelligently, then you have things that look like furries, instead of strongly stylized imitations of some cartoon that I can't even put my finger on.

You need to make an effort on your own part to learn such basics, including those with writing, before anyone can actually help you. And if you are unwilling to learn those basics, then you will stagnate and create the same steaming pile of shit today as you did yesterday.

And yes, some portions of this may be more harsh than my usual critique, but the fact that you've had your shit published... well, that puts you on par with everyone else who's had their shit published.
Shame on whoever it was that made you think that what you currently have is worthy of being published.

No.724 - Link Reply Report 724

Truly horrifying, especially as you haven't even asked for any critique. You're basically just advertising here. Shameful.

No.731 - Link Reply Report 731

Dear sweet Jesus....

3 Suggestions.

  1. Take Art Classes, you have absolutely zero fundamentals or basics of art. Your barely above a 5 year old child BARLEY. You have no sense of perspective, depth of field, lay out, dynamic posing, or weight.
  2. Buy an Anatomy Book,You have next to no idea about anatomy, besides your character's horrendous figures, lack of any sense of proportion, you also put thumbs on the wrong side of hands as well. Might wanna pick up an animal anatomy book too.
  3. STOP USING CRAYON! No artist above the age of 5 should be using crayon, and who ever told you that was charcoal was probably fucking with you. I recommend starting out with Graphite Pencils and maybe color pencils.

Seriously I would pay you money NOT to get this published.

No.733 - Link Reply Report 733

>>731

You dumbass, any medium is good to work with, even crayons. You just have to know how to use it. Blame the artist, not the tools. Secondly, take yourself out of your criticism of someone's work. "I SURE WOULDN'T BUY THIS, NOOOO SIREE BOB". Nice to know you can discern bad drawings from good ones, but this is /crit/, not /asshole/. Third, the advice you gave them was so general that it doesn't do shit. You didn't even suggest the top of the page where people have stressed struggling artists with shortcomings in general, not in the specific context of the drawings they are asking for criticism on, to look at. Now was this artist asking for help? No. And in that case, a thread should be ignored.

No.736 - Link Reply Report 736

>>733
<3

No.757 - Link Reply Report 757

>>58
how the FUCK did this shit get published? http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=55610

im honestly crying tears of blood right now and trying not to puke at the shitty art and the horrendous 3rd grade level of writing.

I give up. if this shit and Stephanie Myers' shit can get published, about anything can. im gonna go shit in an empty book and send it in. it will be the most amazing thing you will ever try to decipher.

Then im gonna kill myself. thanks a lot.

No.759 - Link Reply Report 759

I honestly don't know what to make of this.

You haven't really asked for critique, this is just shameless advertising, and thus I won't waste my time trying to make better what you seem content to leave broken. I would applaud your follow-through in actually completing a book and having it published (even with a publisher like this one that is more of a self publishing company than anything), but I cannot. I cannot because you have invested no effort in creating something palatable.

Your art, while colorful, is poorly conceived and executed, as has been stated prior. Your writing is an insult to the English language, and an insult to your readers as it demands they accept a sub-par product as of equal worth to legitimate pieces. And finally, the fact you are charging money for this is an obscenity. I cannot fathom anyone of able mind and body purchasing this.

On another note, I'm not even going to touch what you say about having studied philosophy and religion with a ten foot pole. It smacks too much of half-baked insomniac ideologies and self aggrandizement.

TL; DR Your work is bad and you should feel bad.