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Art critique and advice; beginner artists are welcome to post here; includes an oekaki. (NO FLAMES)

Artists, read before posting!

Before you post your art to ask for critique, please read these tutorials. They explain the basic principles of drawing and figure drawing. Most posts where these basics are missing will never get a response, as people are quite frankly sick and bored of explaining over and over that you would have to pretty much learn how to draw first, before you could improve.

Courtesy of Arne Niklas Jansson: Basic and comprehensive drawing and painting tutorial
Courtesy of Bakaneko: Figure Drawing Basics, Further Anatomy, Hands

These were brought to my attention by Aeresque#Artist. Courtesy of Scribd: Drawing the Human head, Drawing Dynamic Hands, Dynamic Figure Drawing
And for those of you who want it a bit easier, we also have the whole thing as one neat rar with all three books in pdf form.

NEW! These were brought to my attention by MajorTom in #fchan. Courtesy of Andrew Loomis: Creative Illustration, Drawing the Head and Hands, Eye Of The Painter, Figure drawing for all it's worth, Fun with a Pencil, Successful Drawing, Drawing Dynamic Hands.

If you think you know a good basic tutorial that would fit in here, feel free to contact me under Xenofur in IRC and I will add the link.

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[-] [+] No.928
Now Broadcasting: My Love (critcism wanted I guess) 
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520943 No.928 928
Source: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/arroyo/

Tried a different method of shading. Realized that it doesn't work for everything (such as the megaphone) Also shakey lineart, not too use to a tablet even though I've owned one for 3 years I think. Legs look weird as well.

But that's just my self-criticism kicking in.

No.936 - Link Reply Report 936

You have much, MUCH bigger problems than just 'shading'.
In fact, at this point you shouldn't even be coloring. Your foundation is all kinds of atrocious.

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909816 No.961 - Link Reply Report 961

Oh yeah and sketch version

No.968 - Link Reply Report 968


First, put your NAME in your posts so it's not confused with random anons.

Secondly, giving you the benefit of the doubt, how long have you been drawing? If you're relatively new to this, then you won't be mauled so savagely.

Third, are you serious about drawing or is it just a casual hobby?

Fourth, those tutorial links on top, have you read them? If something could be clarified with the links above and you decided to waste everyone's time anyway, you will be soundly trashed.

No.969 - Link Reply Report 969


My apologies for not putting my name up.

I've been at this for four years(Freshman year in high school to right now), I didn't start making my artwork digitally until around my Sophmore year. I'm just treating this as a hobby but I do like to see improvement in myself. It's that whole idea of feeling like you accomplish something and you can actually feel proud of it and done a good job at it.

I have read the tutorials above, however I didn't find them THAT helpful. In example, I have trouble starting out how to draw a hand. I know the thumb is the best place to start along with the palm however it's the beginning of drawing the thumb that gives me problems. I do reference pictures but I tend to be picky because I want it exact in every way and end up screwing up which causes my sketchbook to lose a couple pages. I do find some of the tutorials linked above helpful but some don't really help me fully.

I do want to start a webcomic, and this strife for improvement has been a bit of a large roadblock for me. Of course there's going to be that guy that will say that comicing is a bit more serious than a hobby type of ordeal and maybe it is. But I just want to be able to tell a story with nice artwork to back it up.

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923912 No.971 - Link Reply Report 971

I also enclose a step-by-step process on how I draw shit. Though this is when I'm trying to be a bit more neater and not sporadically going on and off with the drawing (stopping for an hour or two then get back to it)

Hopefully this might help in a way with what I'm doing wrong.

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167550 No.974 - Link Reply Report 974

First order of business, I'm not a permenant fixture here. I come around, drop a few things that interest me then be off.

At some point there's a possibility you might blame your hardware for any shortcomings. In a comment you said you have a Bamboo. All I have a Graphire3, but behind that is over 10 years of drawing experience. Gadgets only take you so far.

Now, on to the business at hand.

Your step-by-step foundation drawing shows you do care, have potential, but you're trying to run before before you can walk. Let's take the biggest issue here for example, the head. The proportions are all over place, square muzzle looks tacked on, eyes are excessive and the head has very little visible mass.

If you drew like because of Draw Manga books, throw them away NOW.

With character, you mean well, but you're not at the level where you can stylise yet. Study proper proportions, animals physiology, understand realism. THEN you can manga it up as much as you like.

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184614 No.975 - Link Reply Report 975

Next up, the actual piece itself.

Where's the desperation? The sadness? The emotions that would compel the character to cry into a megaphone? The rest of the image is as important at central focus (character). It adds substance, mood and accentuates underlying tones.

I expanded on the image by showing more of the skyline, the building the character is on appearing higher than the rest. Showing the ledge of the building gives it a more risky feeling, makes it feel like her life is worth gambling to send the message out.

On the character herself, you deserve points for trying but it could've better presented.

One BIG mistake is that ball-on-a-spring on top of the megaphone. That is just silly, and it ruins whatever serious emotions conveyed.

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125258 No.976 - Link Reply Report 976

The next issue is perspective.
I see you were trying to do it with the chain railing, but the flat and perfectly levelled tops of background 'buildings' smashed your efforts.

Nothing a lot of practice can't fix, and you have it easier these days compared to the past. Open a really large blank canvas, pull a lot of guide lines and when you're done drawing, just crop the section you need.

Use lots of layers, they're expendable.
Use colored lines so you don't confuse yourself.

The PCs these days can handle that kind of processing stress easily, so don't be afraid to go big and get messy.

No.977 - Link Reply Report 977

Never really used How-to books as a major source of learning. I've been using a manikin along with some reference pictures and some tutorials on the internet (along with mediocre teachings of art from my days in High School) plus actual criticism from people who redlined my stuff in the past.

Perspective has always been a major flaw of mine; poses come out looking weird, foreshortening makes it look like my characters look gimpi, or even just starting.

Though this next bit is more of my own fault and bad habits but sometimes I confuse myself with the excessive amounts of layers. Sometimes to a point where I do too much work on one layer when it should have been on a different one. This could easily been avoided if I named my layers but still I'm quite messy but not too messy if you get what i mean. I want to keep it simple but keep it to a point where I can be a bit more loose with what I do.

No.979 - Link Reply Report 979

Don't make up excuses. Take the fantastic critique you were just given and do something with it.

No.980 - Link Reply Report 980


Not really. I'm just stating what I'm having trouble with. If I was making up an excuse I would have had an "Oh well" or something like that at the end of each problem. I'm more hoping for a bit of an in-depth help with each problem.

No.981 - Link Reply Report 981

There's a difference between helping and taking your hand and leading you all the way.

Don't you DARE go there, don't fall to that level, not after you started off okay.

You may know how to draw a circle, but do you understand why or what makes it a circle? There are things you have to experiment and expand on your own, do some thinking on your own, come back only after you're properly stumped.

No.984 - Link Reply Report 984

Alright, here's a question: Got any good Tutorials for different perceptions(or whatever you call it I can't find the proper terminology for it) Such as Bird's eye view", "worm's (or mole) view" if anyone can understand that.

You probably do have a tutorial for it above but it was most likely unviewable for me for some odd reason.

No.985 - Link Reply Report 985

That's four point perspective.
And to be frank you should worry about being able to competently make one and two point perspective imagery first.

No.986 - Link Reply Report 986

Honestly? He's never going to make use of perspectives if he doesn't fix his foundations.

Starting with the catastrophic choice of animu-wappaboo style.

No.987 - Link Reply Report 987


Well that's a rather harsh judgement to make. And kind of unnecessary. To think anyone that draws something similar to the Japanese cartoon style is hopeless fuck that shouldn't belong in this srs bzns of artz.

And what you say is helpful how? At least Redline Baron was the most helpful person here. and I am grateful for it. Not many people would go through with redlining this kind of stuff and showing others where they went wrong.

I posted here on /crit/ to get helpful criticism and get better. That's all.

No.989 - Link Reply Report 989


Ok, I misread and I apologize for taking it the wrong way but still. Not really contributing to helping me out with my foundation by telling me there's something wrong with it.

Like I said before: explain in detail to me what is wrong with my foundation or redline it.

No.990 - Link Reply Report 990

Everything. You absolutely need to study. Anatomy, proportion, movement, gesture, draw from life, take notes all the time.

You are not a five year old, you do not need anyone to hold your hand while you cross the street. If you cannot motivate yourself then no one else should waste their time trying either.

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244899 No.1011 - Link Reply Report 1011

He was given plenty of advice.
And as you can see by his recent upload, he refuses to learn anything, so don't you say no one cared or tried, Arroyo just didn't want to let go of WAPANESE ICHIBAN BAKABAKA and learn things proper.

You can't teach someone whose fingers are already plugging his ears.

No.1012 - Link Reply Report 1012

Hey Arroyo

I live like half an hour away from you. You want personal drawing lessons?

Could meet at Westfield.

No.1305 - Link Reply Report 1305

As a mod, I have to say that this thread started out alright (major props to you, Redline) but then went straight down the drain. This place isn't for straight-up bashing, if you think there's something wrong you're meant to be giving constructive criticism.

As a poster, I'd like to say that the anon has a point. Many people who start out drawing with the "animu faces" (things like :3 >.< etc.) don't ever bother learning to make real expressions or emotions. They art may improve overall, but sticking to the cookie-cutter icon faces is a bad choice. Break away from that habit as quickly as possible. Study actual faces.
Here, this guide is pretty dang great: http://www.lackadaisycats.com/gallery/1295341707.jpg

No.1330 - Link Reply Report 1330

No offense Doki, that's a great tutorial. (or something) But he isn't near the level that is required to take something important away from that. I can tell from the way he talks, that something like that would only confuse him. If he didn't find the Loomis books helpful, then he needs serious basic training. I know his personality, at least from what he's typing, and he needs to completely reject what he's doing now and start really studying to become more than just a "furry artist". I've seen Miles-Df's drawings of cars and, um, other stuff (tractors?) and he is a fully accomplished artist with a diverse background.

OP, if you want to be good, strive. The big artist put in over 5 hours a day, every day. If you can't do that, then you will definitely have trouble over your career.