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14 /toon Rules (V2.3)Nadia# Etoile5
13 Girly Boys in /m/fchan#System2
12 What Is An #Artist Tag? How Do I Get One?Nadia# Etoile3
11 Final Word on Cub ImagesHellfire15
10 Revised DNP List ProcedureNadia# Etoile3
9 My Image/Thread Was Deleted. WHY?!Nadia# Etoile3
8 Rule 0: BehaviorXenofur10
7 nekomimi and other kemonomi (rev2.1)Nadia# Etoile1
6 Second Life ImagesXenofur7
5 What are artist banners and how do i get one?Xenofur2
4Starting A ThreadRaven2
3Excessive Non-Contributing BumpingSage Nadia19
2Re: TrollsRaven3
1I've been banned! What do I do now?!Raven Rivers1
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/toon Rules (V2.3)

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Nadia# Etoile at 6 Jul 2010: 21:02

/toon. Previously one of the most complicated boards to understand is now simplified.

Toon, root word Cartoon. Those things you use to watch Saturday morning while raiding the CoCo Puffs, or while you were waiting weekday mornings for the bus to come and take you to school. Mostly defined by exaggerated and non realistic styles. Not to be confused with Anime, but for the purposes of /toon, some anime overlap into /toon.

Some examples (sorted by studio) of popular Furry culture /toon material are:
Disney's The Lion King and Tale Spin
Don Bluth Studios All Dogs Go To Heaven, An American Tail and The Secret of Nimh
Warner Brothers, from Loony Tunes to Animaniacs, to Space Jam

Other well known examples, including video games and dubbed anime:
Balto, Chocobos, Digimon, Dinosaucers, Pokemon, Road Rovers, Samurai Pizza Cats, Sonic the Hedgehog, Star Fox, and Yoshi.

Kemonomimi and Nekomimi of generally realistic proportions are not /toon material, with one exception. If they are in fact characters from a cartoon, they belong in /toon.

In order to avoid confusion, and loopholes, with our cub rule clarifications, we have decided to encapsulate /toon. All material which belongs in /toon belongs only in /toon. The only exceptions are /c (Clean) which may, as usual, have anything that is clean and furry related posted and /h (Herm), which should be obvious.

This means, absolutely no /toon material is to be posted in /f, /m, /s, /a or /ah.

As usual, any content advertised as cub will be deleted without warning.

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at 12 Mar 2013: 02:20

i still dont understand why /ah is allowed, being a lot more harder material, yet /h isnt allowed even though its generally a lot more tame. You would figure /ah would be the exception since that is a lot more grotesque fetishes where as /h really isnt that bad and actually fits in with the rest.

Whatever, I guess. /Toon has always been treated as a really technical board for no reason.

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SuperCatRosalina at 23 May 2014: 22:38

What about Cat Rosalina? Im not sure about.

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TheWhiteRobedOne at 14 Aug 2016: 20:11

Ok, on took right now, and go a while is a land before time thread.  For those that haven't seen the series of animated movies, they revolve around a group of various juvenile dinosaurs going on adventures and ending up having to save something or someone.  My question is does that qualify it as cub, because if it does (And I think it should), it needs to be properly reported and removed.

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TheWhiteRobedOne at 14 Aug 2016: 20:12

Toon* (I frigging hate autocorrect)

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Girly Boys in /m/

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fchan#System at 3 Jan 2013: 13:25

In the most simple of terms. Assuming all other rules are followed, such as keeping on topic, no straying into /f/, /a/, /ah/, /h/ or /toon/ territory, and no underage characters.

If the subject, or subjects, of the image displayed on this board, /m/, is an obvious male,  it can be put here.
We define an obvious male as having one penis, sheath, circumcised or not has no bearing, a single sack with two testicles, of realistic proportion, and two properly proportioned breasts. As many of you reading know by simply looking in a mirror, the amount of fat on your bodies is proportionate and often gives you, a male, breasts. We allow for that here. However, remember obesity belongs in other boards.
In the absence of these obvious clues, we look for certain bulges, or other more artistic clues. In some very rare cases it becomes a judgement call on each case-by-case.
Sometimes we make the wrong call, but we do the best we know how to. In those rare situations, we will attempt to fix those problems.

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Mahendra S at 16 Dec 2013: 23:43

Okay, at 2010, I'm still remember i get some great images with these title :

1. ah_1309105410713_Image0712-0050_TV3_[1].jpg
2. ah_1310147944884_Image0712-0113_TV3.jpg

but now, these are gone to somewhere. Please, why these images were deleted ?? and I remember there's Dragon slayer art in here but now all's gone. What's going on ??

For two images above, I'm just want to know what's the title of anime / cartoon ?? and where episodes ?? Please send back because I was tired to searching the info about that !!!

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What Is An #Artist Tag? How Do I Get One?

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Nadia# Etoile at 6 Jul 2010: 20:58

Artist tags function in a similar manner to admin/mod tags. They exist to identify an artist from any other individual. In the past we had strict guidelines for #Artist tags. Recently they have been modified to make them more available.

In order to qualify for this tag, email Xenofur with your request. Provide him with a link to your gallery. He will review your gallery, may ask additional actions on your behalf, and will decide if you qualify for an #Artist tag. There are two criteria he will be considering.
1). If you are a commercial artist, who has had sales of your work in the recent past, you will qualify for a tag.
2). If you are not a commercial artist, the staff may review your work and decide if you qualify for an #Artist tag.
In either case you may appeal.

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at 24 Oct 2012: 13:29

What is an /artist/ board for?

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at 24 Oct 2012: 16:15

>>2
/artist/ is a place for individual artists to show off their art in a dedicated space (as opposed to posting in /m/, /h/, /f/ or what have you and coming off as self-aggrandizing or whatever).

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Final Word on Cub Images

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Hellfire at 28 Oct 2008: 23:56

The issue of cub images has once again come to the attention of fchan's moderators and administration, and there still seems to be much confusion on the issue.  It is simple fact that no further discussion will change our stance on this particular issue.  You are welcome to come to IRC and discuss it, however, READ THIS MESSAGE IN ITS ENTIRETY before doing so.  Hopefully, it will answer your questions beforehand.  Also, please be forewarned this message contains a lot of information and the lazy can skip right to the final paragraph if the above disclaimers were not enough.

Now, let me begin by saying I am not an administrator here, nor am I a moderator.  I am typically just the guy who helps out behind the scenes, mostly with technical issues, and I am certainly not a lawyer.  I have, however, been privy to the information discussed with real lawyers, and will repeat some of that information here.

As the law stands today, under 18 USC Section 1466A, cub and loli images are illegal.


      http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C71.txt (Retrieved 28 October, 2008)
      18 USC Sec. 1466A
      (a) In General. - Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that -
         (1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
       and
         (B) is obscene; or
         (2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
         (B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
      or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

Additionally, 18 USC Section 1466A(c) states that it is NOT required that the minor depicted actually exists.  Fictional characters _are_ covered under this law.


It has also been discussed that a US Supreme Court decision in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition declared this law unconstitutional, and this is _not_ correct.  I will not post the text of the decision here, but more information can be accessed at the following website: http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html For those that do not want to read, this ruling affected 18 USC 2256(8)(B) and 18 USC 2256(8)(D). Specifically, it found that these laws extended to images not obscene under the Miller standard (Miller v. California, http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0413_0015_ZS.html) and was inconsistent with a previous ruling made in New York v. Ferber (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0458_0747_ZS.html). While the cub image discussion is not relating to 18 USC 2256 specifically, it is debatable whether cub images pass any of the requirements made by those rulings, specifically the Miller standard.  Also, it would be good to keep in mind that the law in question here is 18 USC 1466A!

It should also be noted that there is still an ongoing case in Iowa that does relate directly to 18 USC Section 1466A.  In Iowa v. Handley, a man is currently facing charges under 18 USC Section 1466A due to alleged possession of obscene manga.  In a ruling by an Iowa District Judge, subsections 1466(a)(2) and 1466(b)(2) of 18 USC 1466A were declared unconstitutional, which are the clauses defining obscenity as it relates to the law.  However, in this case, the Miller standard applies.  This has not changed our predicament at all, most notably as the greater portion of the law is still in effect and also because of the fact that our servers reside in Illinois, not Iowa.

A final note here, as if the law were not enough, fchan is a free service.  While we do our best to provide you with a service that fits your wants and desires, there is a limit.  We may not be perfect in all cases, but we make a good faith effort to respect the law.  Also, this service is already expensive and time consuming to operate.  While I do not mean any offense, to put it bluntly, we simply do not care enough about your particular fetish to risk serious financial loss and possible jail time.  It is not worth that much to us, and we would prefer, rather, to be able to continue operating this service in the future.  Now, if you've read this far, thanks for your time and understanding on this issue.

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Revised DNP List Procedure

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Nadia# Etoile at 6 Jul 2010: 21:00

Because of issues with certain people trying to impersonate artists, it is important for us to do our best in confirming the identity of those requesting an addition to the DNP list or an artist tag. Otherwise, we run the risk of allowing someone else to run around using your name or taking control over your work. I think we can all agree this would be a very bad thing.

DNP requests may be EMAILED to either Xenofur or Nadia, and they will be immediately processed after confirmation of identity. Artist tag requests may also be EMAILED to either of them, and they will be given out if your application is approved by staff vote.

We will need a link to your online gallery and/or website(s) and will also need to see one of the following:

1. The email address you are mailing from listed on the gallery/website

2. A post to your gallery/website confirming your request for DNP or artist tag
2a. (Fur Affinity users may confirm, instead, by sending a note to "Xenofur" but an EMAIL is still also required!)

Please keep in mind that the DNP list is limited to artists. Only the artist (or, in rare cases, their legal representative) may add his or her self to the DNP list. There are only two possible exceptions to this:

1. If you own a commercial website. Commercial art is always DNP whether you are listed or not, but if your site is not listed and you would like it to be, it shall be added without question.

2. If you have filed a trademark on a character. This is incredibly rare, but we are open to the possibility. If you have been issued a federal trademark by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (or the equivalent in your country of residence), please contact an admin by email for information.

Lastly, any request may be subject to additional requirements as may be needed to confirm your identity.

NOTE: Please allow at least a week between attempts to contact Administrators for DNP or Artist Tag requests.

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at 13 Aug 2011: 20:06

What about users who place on their website "Please do not post on other websites" and do not specifically know about f-chan. While they are not on DNP, they state DNP on their webpage in big letters. And even when a user brings it to the topic that the website, with link, states such, the users continue to post such.

http://fchan.us/ah/res/29035.html#29035

This is one such instance. I haven't been here in a long time, I don't know if management changed, but I'd like to know if the rule still exists. "If it's paid for, if it's from a site that says Do Not Post, If the art itself has 'Do Not Post' on it, then don't post it."

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My Image/Thread Was Deleted. WHY?!

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Nadia# Etoile at 6 Jul 2010: 20:55

This comes up quite often. Sometimes, it just isn't very obvious why something is deleted. It may be obvious to us and to other users, but not the person posting it. This can lead to confusion and frustration. We would like to offer everyone the chance of an explanation, but we also don't want to have it cluttering up or disrupting the boards.

If you notice that something you posted has been removed, feel free to EMAIL Xenofur or Nadia, regardless of who deleted it. Be sure to include the image(s) in question as an attachment (very important) and a link to the thread (if it still exists; also very important). We will try our best to explain why it may have been removed, but keep in mind that if we do not know which staff member made the deletion, we may not be able to help you. It is simply the nature of a site like this.

Please do not complain within the thread or on /dis. Such threads may be deleted or stopped without notice, and we reserve the right not to answer the question there due to time constraints.

Again, EMAIL is the way to go with any question regarding a rule. I cannot stress that enough. The only exception is IRC, but we cannot guarantee a response if we don't happen to be available at the time you message us.

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at 10 Feb 2011: 00:28

How does one e-mail Nadia? They aren't shown anywhere on the home page.

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at 11 Feb 2011: 10:08

Her email is on the site. You have to look for it.

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Rule 0: Behavior

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Xenofur at 28 Apr 2006: 06:38

Ok, I've been putting this off for quite some time now and finally ponied up to get this going.

The following will regard moderation on fchan as such that it puts an until now unwritten rule to paper, or better: to screen. This will be "Rule 0: Behaviour".

The intent of this rule is to provide both the users with a better overview of what is acceptable behaviour and also to provide a basis to the moderators to do their job without having to throw out endless descriptions.

Not all of these will warrant a ban, most probably will only result in post deletions. Be aware tho that it is possible to get banned for violating this rule.
When reporting infractions of this rule please use number 7 (Drama).

The kinds of behaviour that will be moderated are (in no particular order):

Insults: Any and all kinds of these unless OBVIOUSLY done in good humour. Beware of in-jokes as these might not be obvious to anyone.

DNP screamers: To post about a pic being DNP in an unfriendly or abrasive manner, sometimes combined with excessive caps and or exclamation marks and also sometimes with insults. We appreciate your help in pointing these out and/or in pinpointing which entry of the DNP list is being violated exactly. Nonetheless we prefer it that you do only post if the creator is unclear and instead use the little star icon to report a post. Discussions about false DNP claims are tolerated as logn as they are kept short and civil.

Anti-DNP screamers: It is not acceptable to attack or insult those who are trying to help nor to bemoan the existence of the DNP.

Critique: This pertains ALL boards: It is not acceptable to deliver critique that only consists of insults, abrasiveness and/or non-constructive negative remarks. It is acceptable to remark that a picture might be better suited for /dis/, as long as done politely.

Sage: It is not acceptable to use this as the only or central content of a reply for two reasons: It is mostly meant as an attack and its functionality was replaced with the Bump checkbox.

Art theft / Copying / Tracing: Unless it is possible to overlay two images and achieve a 1:1 match such claims will be viewed as drama creation and depending on delivery, as insult. Also, even if there is a point to your claim: Contact one of the mods and leave them to deal with it behind the scenes.

Overreaction: To react to any of the aboe in a similar fashion is also not acceptable. Either answer politely or contact a mod to deal with it.

NEW Sexual Roleplay / Yiff: Fchan is not a MUCK. People come here to look at images, not read overly gratitious and often disturbing roleplay treatices. This also extends to the overly gratitious explanation of sexual practices in a context where it is not explicitly required by the discussion of posted material. (This is ESPECIALLY targeted at requests on the normal image boards.)

PLEASE NOTE:

This is not an attempt to control or censor opinions. We are merely restricting the way these opinions are voiced and also restricting the use of insults while pretending to voice an opinion in order to make fchan a more enjoyable and drama-free environment for everyone.

Example:
"I think the artist of this picture needs to get better in anatomy." - opinion
"I think this picture looks shitty." - NOT opinion

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Feel free to give input. :)

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at 29 Jan 2010: 13:00

Example:
"I think the artist of this picture needs to get better in anatomy." - opinion
"I think this picture looks shitty." - NOT opinion


actually, those are both opinions.  Both are based on personal perception, rather than absolute facts.  Perhaps you should change it to "opinion, and NOT ACCEPTABLE TO POST opinion"

or otherwise clarify what you mean

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Falcon at 4 Feb 2010: 22:50

As an essay, it gets docked a mark.

Constructive critisism would have worked. You lose a mark too, though. The terms to classify opinions are objective and subjective.

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Wolfie2010 at 29 Oct 2010: 23:59

I think the rules are awesome. Keeps drama down and posting awesome art up! :)

A late post but i don't be here often. Thank-You creator and mod's of Fchan! :D

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ahboon at 4 Feb 2012: 06:32

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..............................

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nekomimi and other kemonomi (rev2.1)

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Nadia# Etoile at 6 Jul 2010: 21:01

Catgirls? Are they Furry or not?
A rhetorical question which is not open to discussion anymore, so, do not answer at the end of this post. Period.

They are called 猫耳 [nekomimi], which for the Kanji impaired, means 'Cat Ears'. Some places erroneously call them 猫娘 [nekomusume] 'Cat Maiden'. Do not make that mistake as it makes you look and sound like an idiot.
Of course, if you would rather be safe, you can get away with calling them 獣耳 [kemonomimi], or, again for the Kanji impaired : 'Animal Ear' (けものみみ), which does include all forms of animals with mostly human characteristics.
Including, but not limited to, ホロ from 狼と香辛料, フラン from ファイナルファンタジーXII, 犬夜叉, 菖蒲, and 七宝 from 犬夜叉, バギ from 大自然の魔獣 バギ, ミンク from ドラゴンハーフ... And so on... I could type all day characters from series.
Or, you could just look up FireFox-tan if you want something more mainstream Eigo.

For the record:
***Not only are they Furry, but they Predate Furry.***

How about I explain it in a way that most people should be able to understand.

Humans are animals. They are a primate. A primate who grew to walk straight and shed most of their fur, but retaining their hair. There are other animals which have shed away many of the same features which separate humans from other primates/animals.
We, who deal with this fandom, like to ignore that fact. The fact that a human is not any different from any other animal, other than the ability to be extremely stupid.

A catgirl is a cat, with certain human attributes applied. More than most of you are used to. Creating a very cute response similar to the racism I grew up with and witness in the real world every day.

You do not like skin, no problem. But demand all artists draw fur, not just place a solid color or pattern over what should be fur.
What is wrong with two sets of ears?
And, why not start a crusade to remove plantigrade from the fandom? Let us return even the noble raccoon to the days of pure digitigrade.
Demand that artists depict realistic paws, both in size and function.
Not all animals have a muzzle/snout either. Do we remove them?
Creatures of fantasy? Dragons, Centaurs, and even Tauren. What of them? I can logically remove all of them because of one reason or another.

No.

The simple truth is, this fandom has too many who have transferred their own racist and bigoted concepts to specisism, and brought them into their hobby. They demand so much they must be accepted themselves, but refuse to be as open minded as they claim they themselves are.
You wish to be part of any group which will actively separate another group for reasons only as solid as because they are different than me, then please feel free. But, do so in another fandom. this Furry Fandom has enough mud clouding the water.

*** Regarding Apparent Age ***
We are aware that many people here may feel that most kemonomimi may be seen by their standards as underage. this has been covered more than enough times in previous discussions in /f. Many who use fchan do not have enough experience with the Asian female body, or people, to understand the difference between giant breasted and big hipped porn-stars of the western world and the tiny breasted, slim and petite bodies more often idolized in the eastern societies. We accept this.
Please do not complain about ages as you may see them in threads. The final arbiter of ages as presented will be left up to the Moderation team, with the admins having the final word. If you do not agree with their decisions, feel free to email them, but do not cloud the boards with your complaints.
Do not abuse this, as posting what is obviously underage sexual work will result in posting rights being removed. And, if a member of staff posts an image, do not complain about it.

*Now, here is the official ruling on this long standing argument:*

We will consider any posts in any kemonomimi thread which argues, complains, whines, or otherwise speak of any form of kemonomimi in a negative manner, or states or implies they are not furry, as spam and harassment, and shall be handled accordingly, as in banned from posting for a minimum of a month.
Complaining/arguing about this decision will also be treated as spam and harassment.

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Second Life Images Banned

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Xenofur at 2 May 2006: 18:08

The Explanation:
The server of fchan is located in the US and thus lies under american jurisdiction. A potential case that could damage fchan would be the following situation:

A parent finds out that it's child is engaged in sexual activities via Second Life and also finds out that images of these things are being posted on fchan. Said parent would thus try to sue and also attack fchan. If said parent has a lawyer that is not a complete hack then s/he will be able to build a case where we could not defend. The jury would most probably consist of concerned parents as well and thus a bit gullible regarding the next things.

As far as american courts are concerned SL represents nothing else than a 3D frontend for what is basically a chatroom. They also equal chat communications with phonecalls. Thus any kind of sexual interaction in the game involving minors could be construed as child molestation. This includes having the child in any role, viewer, model or active participant.

Sine we do know that there is a variety of methods that children could get access to the adult areas we could easily be held responsible in case a parent decides to act. The accusations against us would include one or more of this: covering up, encouraging, or distributing records of child molestation for others to enjoy.

Furthermore it is not the parent's responsibility to protect it's child(ren) in this regard, but our responsibility, so the courts would decide against us if we tried to argue that way.

The only acceptable option would be if we were to verify the age of the player of each portrayed avatar in a submitted image. As we lack the tools, money, time and manpower to effectively facilitate this, i see no other choice than to ban all Second Life art that is not fit to be posted in /clean/.

Please do understand that this is not an attempt at censorship or discrimination of this art form, but merely an action taken to protect Fchan's continued existence from ridiculous laws, misguided parents and representatives of the american law.

I am sorry.

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axel at 18 Apr 2009: 23:20

Well if i remember LL is trying out a new form of Age Verification.

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ThatGuyWithNoName at 8 Aug 2009: 19:11

But, Axel, The new age verification system only prevents you from going to adult areas. And, it ain't gonna delete screenshots form before. Also, the system doesn't work and children have an easier time getting into adult areas than actual adults.

Now, away from the whole "Why SL's age verification system sucks",
What if there's a disclaimer in the pic saying that fchan ain't responsible if the pic turns out to have avatars played by minors? Worked for soda companies.

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S at 9 Aug 2009: 23:42

Nope. Not gon'na work.

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at 20 Sep 2009: 18:56

I ran into this rule not knowing it existed and had my stuff deleted, which is okay.  But I couldn't find any mention of SL stuff at all in the actual Rules section, and think this should be added there so later on people like me who weren't around for the earlier conversations won't be baffled when their stuff's fried. 

(My only suggestion here is consolidation of rules; there are three (or more?) sections at the moment that contain things you are disallowed from doing and that seems a bit unsorted.  It's why I didn't see the rule in the first place.)

Anyway, happy fapping.

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Falcon at 22 Sep 2009: 00:29

The rules on homepage have a link to this board in rule #8 (Stay up to date). /faq provides a way to address how a certain rule is applied in specific instances (like with Second Life imagery).

Ideally a person reads the rules, looks at the topics in /faq, and follows the definition of the image board (which appears just above the reply area). I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think it's the easiest way to ensure everybody has a clear understanding of how the site is managed.

If there is anything missing in these places, drop an email to Xenofur. He's a busy dude, so it might take him a while to read it but he will.

I hope this makes things easier for anyone making a conscious effort to adhere to the rules of the site. <tries to give the thumbs up, but with wings it looks pretty weak>

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What are artist banners and how do i get one?

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Xenofur at 22 Jun 2007: 01:04

Since the life of fchan itself is based on the efforts of artists we are constantly thinking about a way to give something back. We have now found something that we can do which can benefit artists and we are offering it for free. The offer is as follows:

The main asset that fchan has is traffic, and lots of it. So we have included a banner next to our site banner which links to artist websites. We expect no recompensation at all, as we view this as recompensation to the artists.

The guidelines for artist banners are as follows:

- The banner you want to use must be of the dimensions of 300*100. Neither smaller, nor bigger.
- The content of the banner may be risque, but it should generally stay work-safe.
- The site that is being linked to must mainly contain your own art.
- The artist may choose on which boards the banner is rotated.
- A site that is linked to that mainly contains /ah/-style content may only be linked to on /ah/.

For those who are unfamiliar with this terminology, the contents that are considered /alternative-hard/ are listed on our frontpage in the list of board descriptions.

Lastly the link and banner must be approved by the whole moderation team as well, as a sort of sanity-check and also as a quality-check. This is mainly necessary because i want to prevent this system from being spammed with banners from artists who still have years of training ahead of them and to preserve it's purpose of being a reward to those artists who have done real contributions to the fandom or can contribute in a meaningful way.

Now, if you are interested, all i need from you is a banner image and a link sent to my email.

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Banner stats can be viewed here: http://fchan.me/banners.cgi

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Miranda Leigh at 9 Mar 2009: 19:14

http://www.smokingpen.com/images/fchan_ad.gif banner image
url: http://www.smokingpen.com

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