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at 11 Feb 2006: 16:13

Uh, I know i might get some crap about this, but I wasn't sure where else to post, so I thought I would try here and see if I would get at least one valid answer or if it would just be a bunch of flameing.

I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to Not4Chan, at first they were saying they were doing some maitence, and now its been a week or so and it is still down.

I thought Id has here, since it seems furries are just as misunderstood as the lolikon people are. I say, whatever floats your boat, as long as your not fucking a cat and/or rapeing little kids.

Anyways if someone who knows what is going on can help, I would appreacate it.

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Shii at 11 Feb 2006: 17:12

It's still down for maintenance.

Try http://img.kukaionline.com/ in the beantime

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at 11 Feb 2006: 19:10

Also: http://img.renchan.org/imgboard/ is a nice, well categorized site.

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at 12 Feb 2006: 10:55

>>1 it seems furries are just as misunderstood as the lolikon people are

I am surprised to hear lolicon compared to furry in this context. I’ve never gotten the impression that lolicon people are "misunderstood". Several anime image boards host lolicon; even if they don’t have an explicit category for it, lolicon can be found in many hentai image galleries. I’ve seen plenty of underage girls’ panties and suggestive-poses posted to "general" and "cute" anime image boards. And I’ve seen the word "lolicon" thrown around on anime discussion boards without any fuss. It appears that lolicon is an accepted part of anime (at least, the fascination with child-character’s panties and soft-core nudity seems accepted, obviously guro is another story). In contrast, all hell breaks loose if a furry picture is posted to the same anime boards, even if the picture is clean and drawn in an anime-style by a Japanese artist (which, I think, is hypocritical of anime fans). Anyway, I would never have considered lolicon to be "misunderstood" in a way comparable to furry.

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at 12 Feb 2006: 11:37

Well, loli may be accepted into the general public, but shota is not.

I have no idea why, but it seems having sexual fantasies about girls is OK, while having them about boys is not.

Oh well, I wont be bitter. But if everyone will please agree when I say "FUCK ALL YOU BIGGOTS!"

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at 12 Feb 2006: 12:18

I believe he compared furry to loli in the sense that if you walked up to an average person on the street and told them either, "I am sexually attracted to animals with human characteristics" or "I am sexually attracted to little girls" you might get the same, negative response from that person.  I happen to like loli and anime, a lot actually, so the constant fighting between the the furry and anime followings makes me sad.

Did you guys know even GuroCHAN has a distaste for furries?  Know why? Cause of the inherrant drama that's formed when most furry pictures are posted.  The furry following always acts like a victim when there's a conflict of interests, and lashes back out rather forcefully, which gives everyone else the view that, "If we try to do anything with them, they'll just whine, bitch, and fight.  Screw them, we don't need that."

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at 12 Feb 2006: 22:18

Are furries really to blame for the "inherent drama"? On 4chan’s /b/, most furry images are posted by trolls and accompanied by anti-fur messages. For example, at this very moment there is a picture from ready.org/kids with the text "Boycott the US government for supporting furfags". Furry-hating insults pop up randomly, not in response furries whining or bitching. Most "furry drama" is probably NEVER EVEN READ BY FURRIES!

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at 13 Feb 2006: 00:10

>>4


You're serious...?

Lolikon people are treated as pedophiles 99.9% of the time, when the majority of the time this isn't true, at all. A majority of the anime boards don't like lolikon, mainly due to legal implications and the unwillingness of most hosts to host such content(the reason why Saber created not4chan). It's true that there's a ton of drama in the furry community, hence the real reason why most people dislike furry art posted to a message board not for such things. If you don't believe this, look at fchan and compare it to another image board that's devoted to women or anime and compare the drama caused by non trolls.

Lolikon fans are sort of like the cub fans of the furry community, in the way that they're accepted by a lot of the people within the community, but others see them as pedophiles.

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at 13 Feb 2006: 09:45

Wow I didn't think I would spark such a discussion and I would also like to point out you are all very much more well behaved and mannered then MOST of the folks over at Not4Chan, I was expecting to get a lot of flames about it.

I have noticed Not4Chan will go nutts and insult people when they post a furry image, and i don't really understand it. I guess they are too uptight or something.

In all honesty I like almost all anime except for the gorey stuff and I can easily avoid it, so I don't bother anyone else who does enjoy it.

Like I said, whatever gets you off man.

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(Post truncated.) at 13 Feb 2006: 11:34

Also, people have a tough time distinguishing between "I like looking at images of X." and "I like doing X."

For example, a pic of a herm with something in her urethra can be kinda hot to me, but I don't want anything in mine. And some non-morphic stuff can be great, but I don't want to go fuck a real animal.

People also tend to stereotype for efficiency's sake. I know that not all furs like to fursuit or have sex in fursuits, but since that's a strong image many people do. Just like many people think asians are smart and black people steal.

So - don't respond to flames, keep posting, and stay awesome.

Love,
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Foxstar at 13 Feb 2006: 16:49

>>7 Oh if that was only true. But the shitstorm over Gabe and Tycho's jab, the Rush Morning comment and countless, countless other things proves you wrong.

If your of any notice IRL or on the net and mock furries, Furries WILL show up to "DEFEND TEH FANDOM" within the hour. A number of Furries have this deep rooted need to protect their fandom and as such, cause endless lolz for everyone else while earning universal scorn at the same time.

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at 14 Feb 2006: 00:47

man one time i saw something fucked up on that site. it looked like it was made by one of those crazy clown pedophiles or something. you know the ones im talking about.

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WTShiro at 14 Feb 2006: 02:11

The thing is, the anime community is generally looked down on by the general public.  Most people who aren't into anime perceive anime fans as "nerdy" and so forth.  In responce, they'll naturally look for something they can look down upon to counter the general public looking down on them.  Something to make them think "At least we aren't the bottom rung".

Furries are a perfect venue for that goal.  Furries are also looked-down upon by the general public.  Since most Furrs will defend themselve vehemently when attacked it's easy for the anime fans to point the finger at us and say "Hey, at least we aren't THEM" to the general public.

Thus, people are more willing to ignore the anime community because they mostly keep to themselves.  Sure there's drama... but since some Furrs get so defensive, it was easy for them to get everyone to ignore the drama that happens within the anime community, because they at least keep it to themselves.

I honestly don't know WHY Furrs tend to be so defensive when compared to other fandoms, but that seems to be the way things went down from my perspective.

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Anony at 14 Feb 2006: 10:51

What was "Gabe and Tycho's jab"? Do you mean the Penny Arcade incident?

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 14 Feb 2006: 14:36

Link to the PA incident plz

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Foxstar at 14 Feb 2006: 17:05

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/04/03

TOOK FOREVER to find that.

Around that time I was a quiet poster in G&T, I awoke in the morning to find the new comic up and the first thing I could think to do is run to SE and G&T (This was wayyyyy back before the fourms were the huge thing they are now) and warn "The Dramawhores are coming" I even shot PM's to Rambus (The fourm Administrator) warning him to shut down new accounts and Gabe and Tycho to hunker down. And I was right because within 30 mins to a hour of comic post, there were about 20-30 furries who had come rushing to protect their fandoms and lifestyles, screaming bias, rascist behavior and all sorts of typical furry bullshit that furries tend to scream when they feel they are being unfairly mocked. Threads sprung up all over G&T and S&E as EVERY furry saw fit to create his own thread defending the fandom (I say his because it's unlikely any females were among em) with huge thesis level posts, basicly all parroting each other that they were long time PA readers, huge gamers and they just could not stand this outrage, would never read PA again, blah blah, Gabe and Tycho would burn, blah blah, would do all they could to turn away PA Readers, blah blah. To their credit, the PA fourm crew put up with this crap for about a hour, but as more furries joined (And no, these weren't sock puppets) to agrue the merits of the fandom with gaming nerds who COULD NOT give a damn, it quickly turned from "Okey, okey, whatever." to "Shut the hell up and go back to raping newborn skunks, dogfuckers". Furries of course just took this as being oppressed and started to fight back with "You close minded bigots!", other useless furry counterpoints and of course by posting furry porn and yelling how they will overcome.

Rambus turned off the power to join for almost a day, while Doctor D, RX79 and the other mods begin banning the new furs who by now were in a uproar at being called dogfuckers, worthless hunks of shit by annoyed gamers and PA zelots who laughed the very idea that a fandom so low as furry would challange the Death Star that was PA. More so when furries who likened this to being pissed on by fellow gamers forget that Gabe and Tycho make fun of EVERYTHING, their hobby, themselfs, their wives even the fans. Gabe even addressed it in the news post that went up later on as he had been lurking, speaking only with the mods and helping to nuke furry accounts, reminding furs that "Hey if you wanna fuck dogs and draw said dog fucking, whatever, but don't get pissed when people laugh at you." It's really sad because among making furry a laughing stock among other gamers, it soured the PA fourm on furries for good, and up till the time I left about in 2005 or so, furry was still a dirty word and any open furry would quickly be trolled right off the fourm right after trying to defend the fandom. PA's readership of course suffered not a wit from the furry outrage and now PA and Gabe and Tycho are far, far more respected and do a hell of a lot more, (IE:PAX and Child's Play) to improve their image then the fandom ever will be. Nevermind the fact that both Gabe and Tycho are living a dream, married and both with children, good contacts within the gaming world most furries would kill for and a stable of loyal hardcore fans who have a fandom they can be proud of and not have to defend.

It was a lolzfest however and I wish to god I had saved screenshots because the furries were priceless who showed up and made asses of themselfs, with only ONE furry - Simba who was civil, even though he tried to make his point in the middle of the "SHUT THE HELL UP DOGFUCKERS." retort being given by the annoyed PAers by this time.

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at 14 Feb 2006: 20:24

>>17
Thanks for that - always semi-wondered what became of that saga. Were you around for the PvP attack on furries too?

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Foxstar at 14 Feb 2006: 20:41

>>18 No, I missed it, though I heard it was a load of lolz.

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Anony (>>15) at 14 Feb 2006: 22:44

>>17

Thanks a bunch, Foxstar, especially for going through all that trouble. Your post reminded me to check CrushYiffDestroy, too, (which was down a while ago and also when I initially learned of the Penny Arcade incident) and lo, it's back! ^^

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Foxstar at 15 Feb 2006: 18:04

>>20 No prob.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 15 Feb 2006: 16:00

>>20
I also tried to go into more detail this time for those who missed it and for those who wondered what all the fuss was about.

Intresting thing is Gabe is a very, very good artist and has proven he's quite able to draw anthro's (See the pic he did for Stan Saki and Twisp and Catsby for proof) and the few prints he's done of Twisp and Catsby have gone for well over $1000 easy, while the one "open" commission he offered went for $20,000. (Name one furry artist who even got -close- to that sum)

It makes the public furry outrage at him and the comic that happened back then it all the more amusing.

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at 15 Feb 2006: 19:08

>>14 I honestly don't know WHY Furrs tend to be so defensive when compared to other fandoms

I’ve seen anime fans get very defensive over accusations that Anime is intended for children or a young teen audience. (FYI, it’s been proven by director-interviews and people who have lived in Japan that most of the Anime series waved around by American Anime fans are primarily watched by children in Japan). For some odd reason, anime fans seem to be more sensitive to "anime is children’s cartoons" than they are to accusations of being perverts or pedophiles. The point is, furries aren’t the only ones who get defensive when provoked.

But you are right, the anime community tends to keep to themselves. At least, when an anime fan visits another community, they appear like any other person. But when furries venture into the rest of the internet, many bring their "fursonas" with them. It’s like carrying a bulls-eye. And just like an elementary school yard during recess, bullies will target the most obvious prey.

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at 15 Feb 2006: 22:22

>>23
Generally, it is a teenager who gets picked on for watching "kids' shows", and an adult who gets accused of pedophilia. And adults can brush that off more easily, because it's the Internet so nobody gives a shit.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 15 Feb 2006: 22:32

>>23 Spot on. The sad thing is, furries haven't learned it. And a lot of the more hardcore furries haven't caught on why people laugh when they take their furryness with them, to the point that they use the 'furry emotes' in their posts and such.

Nails that stick up get hammered. Nails that scream when hammered get hammered harder.

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at 16 Feb 2006: 00:13

>>23


I think there's less ego involved in being publically called someone who watched kids cartoons compared to someone who's attracted to something that's considered abnormal by "mainstream" culture.

But, when you consider it just a hobby, as opposed to a lifestyle, it's easy to brush off. Hence why some furries are more than able to take criticism and insults, while others cry for days on the same subjects.

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 16 Feb 2006: 03:36

>>17

Thanks a lot, you made me snort cola all over the screen in laughter. Sweet jesus nipples, that is some socially retarded shit. Some ppl really need to learn to laugh at themselves and takes things with a grain of salt.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 16 Feb 2006: 05:34

>>27 The day furries can do that all the time is the day they will at long last.."win" ...it's not gonna happen though. Far, far too many outspoken people have settled into the fandom who see it as more then just something to do when they are off work, or gather for a few times a year and to those people, the though of not speaking up is too much to bare. And so as long as furries post angsty shit or piss on each other in LJ's, post furry porn, be it bad or good or go about in public wearing tails, paws, ears and all that rot..

..the mainstream and other "higher" fandoms will have endless stocks of ammo to shoot said furries with. And the few furries who feel the shot as soul rape who rise up to defend teh fandom will earn all furries universal scorn.
 

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 16 Feb 2006: 16:45

>>28

To repeat what I have said in another chatroom, "...furry is no longer just a hobby or interest for some, it had become a religion..."

...and as we all know, religion of any sort is bad, no matter how you look at it.

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at 18 Feb 2006: 16:59

I wouldn't say religion is bad per say. Religion is actually one of the cornerstones for evolution of civilization.

Pyramids in Egypt? Religion too.
Medicine, surgery? All researched and found in monasterys and by Wise men and women of tribal cultures (aka. the priests of their religion)
Recorded history in western world? All done by monks all the way back to 0BC
Books before the printing press? Done in monasteries.
Basis of modern school system? Laid down by missionaries who taught people to read so they could read the Bible.
Base of modern law system? All in the Bible.

Do not underestimate religion. It's done more good to you than you can shake a stick at.

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at 18 Feb 2006: 21:59

I'm American!

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Hellfire at 18 Feb 2006: 22:00

How did I post the artwork? Plz, don't banned me! >_<

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at 19 Feb 2006: 13:58

>>30

- The pyramids are pretty useless.  Think if all that labor could have went to something useful like plowing fields or building houses.  Besides, the pyramids do me personally no good.
- Look at how phamaceutical companies are today.  Calling everything a disease and profiting from its cure.  All thanks to the discovery of medicine.  Thanks, religion!
- Recorded history is of no intrinsic value.  People only go back in history to find/discover someone to blame for their problems they are experiencing now, and then to say "You (or whatever group) owes me this, so this justifies my behavior".  All studies of history are tinged with this phenomena.
- If the monks of the past did useful work instead of wasting hours writing and rewriting biblical texts (really, how many damn Bibles do we need?), civilization might be at a more advanced point than it is now.
- The modern school system (in America at least) is a failure.
- Actually, the basis of our modern law system goes further back than the Bible.  The Code of Hammurabi predated the Bible by several thousand years.  (Maybe.  I could be wrong on this one).

All the good religion does isn't really that good, insofar as the good of an entire civilization is, in the long run.

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straydog at 19 Feb 2006: 14:19

>>33

"Recorded history is of no intrinsic value."

Haven't you ever heard the phrase about those not knowing history are doomed to repeat it? That's the value of recording history---to learn from the past, be it mistakes or otherwise.

Everything else I agree with. Religion, in my opinion, has created for more disaster than anything.

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at 19 Feb 2006: 17:03

>>34  That'd be a great theory, if the folks that should know history weren't already busy repeating it. 

Of course that's just history as we've *learnt* it, to say nothing of what may or may not have actually happened at any given point that someone's just gone out of the way to conceal, cover up or whitewash over for their own purposes. 

To dig up another trite cliche on the matter, "History is written by the winner."  Unbiased accounts (or as unbiased as possible, given human nature) of past happenings are a rare thing indeed.  In essence, this very phenomena is the basis behind a lot of popular fiction currently - The DiVinci Code being just the most famous/popular example.

We all want to have faith in our sources, those we deem knowledgable and 'in the know', the 'Authorities' that are responsible for our collective cultural knowledge, for what we accept as 'true' often depends on it. We want to believe that past generations would never lie to those that come after, but that is rarely the case, alas. 

Happily humanity as a whole *is* getting better at being realistic with itself, at least, and allowing room for error and multiple accounts of one event all having a sense of validity, or at the very least being deemed worth noting if not always 'taken seriously'.  Perhaps a hundred years from now the kids going to schoool will be handed a number of 'takes' on our current events, without one or the other being condidered the 'Official' one and only 'Truth'.  Maybe. 

There's a very few 'absolutes' in the world, and history isn't one of them. 

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 21 Feb 2006: 03:23

Looks like I've opened up a nice can of worms. :)

Perhaps I've used the wrong term, I think a more accurate representation of the overzealous reaction to the publicity furries had made would be "religous fanatism" not religion itself.

Sorry for the misconception. ^^;

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