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Sage Nadia at 21 Feb 2006: 02:58

For those who are wondering. There was quite the assault directed on fchan this evening. A large number of posts made which were inappropriate material and were designed to attack the furry fandom.
/m took the brunt of the damage which resulted in three pages of /m being bumped off the board and only a single page remaining after I cleaned it up.

I am investigating the source.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 03:21

good luck, though I doubt little will be found out if they use a proxy that doesn't log IPs

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at 21 Feb 2006: 03:57

sadly with the public announcement of google giving info over to investigatory commities there has came a flood of new open proxie/ relay services. and people becoming nodes intentionally in these kinds of services. 
not saying the crap is right.
i suppose i should be happy it dident impact any of the non /m sections.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 04:12

>>3

Actually, Google continues to hold out against the US Justice Department's attempt to force them to hand over search results.

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Xenofur at 21 Feb 2006: 04:37

Related to that was another accidental broad-band-ban which is now removed, to all the people who thought they were banned last night: It was not intentional.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 04:53

>>4 that is good to hear, my feed "windrivers" seemed to indicate they had turned and was discussing ways to anon thyself.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 05:12

Hi Xenofur,

Are these "manned" or robot attacks?

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Xenofur at 21 Feb 2006: 05:49

these attacks are always scripted.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 11:08

Some websites include a verification measure of sorts during the "submit" process to help prove that it is a real human and not an automated script or bot posting. Most of the times it involves typing in a short string of letters or numbers displayed in a randomly-generated OCR-resistant image, but I imagine there are other methods as well. As complicated as this would be to implement, I imagine this would do good to vastly reduce or even eliminate these mass automated attacks. As for manual attacks done by actual people, I can't think of any good ideas for those.

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psistorm at 21 Feb 2006: 12:04

well, with the flood protection in place it would sure take a good amount more time to do stuff like this. and I dont think as that many ppl would bother to go through the verification process over and over and over just to spam the boards
so yeah, sounds like a reasonable idea to me, even more so as it stops any further script attacks *curses the morons who do this kind of %&ยง"&!!

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at 21 Feb 2006: 12:12

well if you get mad they win..

Dont let the terrorists win.

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Xenofur at 21 Feb 2006: 14:23

>>11 is about right, there is no need to implement any security measures, as it would only serve to annoy the users. clean-up is also trivial since it takes about 15 seconds (30 if the server is slow) to take the appropiate steps.

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Hulex at 21 Feb 2006: 14:38

Uhm...hello? It was 4chan. Who else would it be?

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Drageshal at 21 Feb 2006: 14:44

I was awake when I saw this attack.  It was 4chan.  Apparently, a thread on 4chan provoked that the furries was the one to take down wtfux.org and why it's no longer working.  They demanded to attack a certain furry-related board, and someone suggested fchan's /m/ section.

These pictures were nothing short of childish, and hardly offensive unless you're hypersensitive to being called a furry.  The attack was apparently done by humans, and not scripts, because it was different posts and pictures.  But I know little about it.

Apparently the attack was also reffered to jews shortly afterwards the attack, many posts giving another reason why wtfux went down (whether it is real or not I am unsure), saying that the owner went 'jewish'. (No offence to those here).

Basically fchan just got teenage grafiti put on one of their walls.  It's not a big deal, the /m/ can return, and the best thing is not to attack 4chan in retaliation, for it will only cause more fighting and more attacks.  Laugh it off people, it's not that big of a deal.  Just prevent it from happening it again and move on.

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Psyco_Charmander at 21 Feb 2006: 15:03

Xenofur, you seem to not know what you're talking about. The attack was not 'scripted' at all. If it were, I believe that the amount of posts made would have been significantly higher. It was nothing but some people from 4chan/b/ that felt like ruffling your feathers. The reason? Because it is suspected that furries whined and complained long enough at www.wtfux.org that it finally shut down. Of course, they don't really 'need' a reason to spam fchan. They do it just because it pisses you guys off, and that amuses them. And you guys bite right into it too. Every. Single. Time.

Until you all learn that the WORST reaction you can give is to get mad or try to defend yourselves, you will continue to be targeted. Saying things like "haha u guys r so stupid 4 wasting ur time like this, i'm lmao srsly" is a common response, and a stupid one, because it implies that the attacker actually cares about what he is doing. He does not. His only goal is to get furries to say stupid phrases like the one I just mentioned.

But perhaps I'm just wasting my time. I've tried to explain this to other furs many times before, but no one listens. They continue to think that there's some holy war between the furries and the "hyoomans".

In short, stop getting pissed off, stop defending yourselves, stop caring so much.

-Psyco_Charmander (AGNPH admin)

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Xenofur at 21 Feb 2006: 15:12

oh i do think i know what i'm talking about :)
to give you a few hints: download wakaba and read the config.pl a bit. anyways, as soon as i cna i will talk to nadia and know for sure.

aside from that, wise words. (`-`)-b

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Psyco_Charmander at 21 Feb 2006: 15:20

I 'saw' the 4chan thread last night that instigated the attack. It was 4chan, not some script. It feels a lot better if a person personally pisses off a furry rather than letting some script do it. I can't imagine that anyone would care enough to actually write a script to spam fchan when they can easily round up several people from 4chan and do it that way. Like I said, these guys do 'not' care that much. They like the fact that you guys 'do' care that much, though.

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Raven at 21 Feb 2006: 15:22

>>16

I concur. The Force is strong with >>15

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Semper Virens at 21 Feb 2006: 15:27

>>15

stop caring so much

About everything?  I think it is okay to care about things that matter.  /b/-tards do not fall in thre class of things that matter, though, I agree with you about that.  And it is also sensible to defend oneself against attack.  Perhaps what you mean is that such defense should not include intemperate screeds against a set of people who could not be more ineffectual if they tried, namely any and all internet annoyatrons.

However, since you seem to think all of furry fandom can be agglomerated into a single unified whole which can sensibly be addressed as "you", perhaps you are falling into the same trap of excessive generalization which all too many fall prey to.  There simply is no single place, time, or group to which you can explain something, and have it stay explained forever.  Why do you continue to think that is the case?

We are who we are, and all of us are different, united only by a certain aesthetic appreciation of the artful blending of human and animal characteristics.  This is no other commonality that I can observe.

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Psyco_Charmander at 21 Feb 2006: 16:03

>>19

Then let me explain what I mean. When I say "you", I mean the stereotypical furs; the ones that are sensitive to insults and attacks, and try to retaliate with insults and attacks of their own. I do not mean to imply that 'all' furries are this way, but from my experiences with furs, the vast majority DOES respond in that manner.

I did 'not' say that furries should not care at all. I said that they should not care so much. You are correct in assuming that what I meant was that furries should not act offended to insults and try to retaliate. That shows that they care too much about what other people think of them, and shows how they make the mistake of amusing the attacker by trying to defend themselves.

I assure you that 'that' IS one commonality between furs: too sensitive to what people say and think of them. If it were NOT so common, then maybe furries wouldn't be targeted so much. Now some furries might say "but i really DON'T care what some 4chan tards think of me." While that may be true, the fact that people still 'respond' to the attackers shows that the attackers are still managing to bother the furries in SOME way. They do not care how they bother furries, just so long as they do somehow.

Trust me on this, I used to be the same way. I used to be very sensitive to what people thought of me and would lash out at anyone that attacked furries. Needless to say, I was targeted a lot just because it was amusing how I would react to these attacks. I have since learned that the 'best' response to these attacks is silence, or even going along with the attack. They can't start a fight if you don't fight back.

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Anonymous at 21 Feb 2006: 16:19

Bout time you people learnt. Sheesh.

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Sage Nadia at 21 Feb 2006: 16:21

It was from three separate locations. Behavior was as though it was scripted. 

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Psyco_Charmander at 21 Feb 2006: 16:28

Ok PLEASE explain to me why you think it was 'scripted' because I really want to know. I saw nothing that would make me think it was scripted. Maybe you know something I don't though.

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Raven at 21 Feb 2006: 16:37

>>23

Does it REALLY matter? It's gone and done with, so perhaps you should take your own suggestion and let it rest.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 16:50

And start contributing to /M..

seriously, bitching and moaning is just gonna make them happy and encourage them to do more since. You guys (not everyone just the dudes who complain) that end up complaining, flaming, retaliating.. blah blah end up showing the terrorists what they are doing is working and having some sort of effect in turn making them win. I think.

I understand there are those who arent submissive pushover pussies and want to end up kicking some serious ass for being proud of what they like but it aint gonna do shit unless your like.. a stalker or something and know where they live and like sign up for porn with their addresses and stuff..

Point is if you bitch they win, if you dont fight back or anything it dont make you a lil bitch. Just be cool.

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Psyco_Charmander at 21 Feb 2006: 16:55

I apply my advice only to instances where people are being attacked by trolls and whatnot.

But anyways, no it does not 'really' matter. The only reason why I brought it up earlier was because Xenofur said "these attacks are always scripted", which just isn't true (in fact, it's more likely that the OPPOSITE is true), and I felt the need to point this out.

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Xenofur at 21 Feb 2006: 17:13

>>26
please mail me(frontpage) and i will explain. :)

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at 21 Feb 2006: 17:14

One other point is, it's hard to tell if something is working or not if you can't see the nights and bolts.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 17:17

I don't entirely know what everyone means by scripted.

As far as I could tell, someone bitched on 4chan's /b/ board that wtfux was down, thus eliminating the cat board. The /b/tards then decided to come over here and raise a little hell.

No harm, no foul, as far as I can tell. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but I was watching it happen last night, and I have to say, I lol'd repeatedly. We all just need to toughen up and stop caring.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 21 Feb 2006: 17:23

Bitching, moaning and striking back is one of the biggest reasons furry will never be more then one of the most sneered at fandoms. Anime, Star Wars and Star Trek fandoms are all held in much higher regard then furry and the primary reason aside from all three being major media enterment after a fashion is they know how to SHUT UP.

Nadia's the last person I'd see as a reactionist furry though. Or Xeno.

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Raven at 21 Feb 2006: 17:49

>>30

I think it might be more that those fandoms have been around for a longer period of time and are also more widely known. More people over the age of ten watch Star Trek than shows and movies with cartoon animals, whether they're obsessive over it or not.

It's not necessarily that furries are annoying or bitchy, it's that -people- are annoying and bitchy. And there's no better place to let it out than the internet. And if it's one thing we all do best, it's seeing things from our own point of view, while refusing to try and understand the "other side." Thusly, we're all hypocrits my nature.

It's also wise to remember that responsibility for change can only start within the self, it can't be forced upon others. Something to think about.

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at 21 Feb 2006: 19:51

*bows to raven* thank you for saying that so well.

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Anonymous at 22 Feb 2006: 00:44

It does not help that furries are looked down upon and are associated with bestiality and lest we forget babyfurs. Shudder.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 22 Feb 2006: 05:33

>>33 That too. Yet one more of furry's faults, all the nasty, scary sexual stuff isn't hidden, it's right out in plain sight and worse..it's defended after a fashion many a time

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at 22 Feb 2006: 08:18

well the zoo / bestiality side is something that the commen person thinks is part of furry wheather we make a display of that or not.
as we take the beast out of furry art and suddenly its just a picture of a human.
I base that commentary on a little over 30 years of showing art to people some of it rather furry but well before the fandomn fired off. and almost universialy i hear its half insert animal a b c or d and human ---- ewwwww---- o course that is in relation to the more realistic style i do verses the raw toons that some follow - --- so of course we are associated with bestiality - it kinda comes with the terriritory -
however the idea of an infant is most decidely not inherant to the fandomn. 
none of this is an excuse to do teh kind of behaviour we are seeing, even IF  nadia is horrible and the boys are croonies
that doesent give another the right to try to ruin it for us or nadia . basicly grow up some people.

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Gav at 22 Feb 2006: 16:44

Nadia's not horrible...is she?

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Raven at 22 Feb 2006: 18:01

>>34

Out in plain sight? On the internet? With all the other non-furry fetishes that are also out in plain sight on porn websites all over the world?

I don't think I've actually run into a furry at Starbucks who is holding a sign that says, "SAY YES TO FURRY SEX." Furry fetishes are no more open on the internet than anything else, and no more open off of it, either.

If you want to blame all the furries for something, at least blame everyone else for it, too. The only reason we see more of the weird crap is because the fandom is a very small community, mainly online. Otherwise, it would be very easy to overlook, just like we overlook a lot of things in "real life" because there's more people not doing than who are.

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at 22 Feb 2006: 18:50

>>37  Exactly - Most these folks would probably be shocked at what so-called 'normal' people get up to in their bedrooms.  Furries certainly don't have the market cornered on 'deviant' sexual behavior, or even on weird, inapropriate behavior in public or on the internet. 

I think half the problem is that furries are so cliquish and stuck in their own private, isolated little universes, dominated by all that is 'furry' - They never wander far from their home territory to see what the rest of the non-furry world is actually up to.  When all you see is furry, it's easy to forget that anything found on /ah/ has it's parallels in the larger society/culture as a whole.  It's also woefully easy to get stuck in the 'other' mentality, and start wearing your percieved victimization and alienation as a badge of honor. 

Kind of a shame that in a world with the internet full of information, and Jerry Springer highlighting the queerest of the queer everyday for years, folks can still manage to hold onto that sort of narrow, focused view of reality.  I'd swear some folks practice 'selective awareness' as a valuable life skill.  :P

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at 22 Feb 2006: 21:01

>>36 nah i dont think she is horrible - note the IF as large as i could make it- perhaps a bit touchy at times, but not horrible. but then again doing sysadmin work i tend to get a touch grouchy - idiots are my main source of hatred - somewhat happily im not doing sysadmin work currently.

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Anonymous at 23 Feb 2006: 05:46

>>21
>>33
And I have one last thing to add: The fursuits. Lose the big smiling animals, ffs!

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