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at 24 Mar 2006: 16:31

Something Awful is over -that- way, dude.  I'd advise you to start over on 4chan with the other /b-tards to get some practice in first before you visit there. SA would eat you alive.

Onoe last bit of advice. If you think a particular place is nothing but shit, don't stomp around complaining you're stepping in it. The intarwub is a big place. Go elsewhere. Buh-bye.

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Xenofur at 24 Mar 2006: 16:39

cute. :3

what i don't get: why does he type all that up? it's not funny nor truthful. *shrugs*

one serious comment tho:

In addition to pressing the "Ban" button a lot

the last time i used that was when fchan was being spammed. ;)

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at 24 Mar 2006: 19:02

>>2

Dude, this is like going to a star trek fanpage and complaining about how unrealistic it is and such.  Yeah, except for the /c/ goers, we're a bunch of peverted nerds... which is why there are sites built for peverted nerds with disclaimers.  Furry porn is weird, yeah, but it doesn't hurt anything.  If you really need to champion something, go to a snuff site and rag on them, or send angry letters to a bestiality site or something... or troll an actual child porn board.  We furries are (usually) a harmless lot... we aren't actually hurting anyone.

Apologies on behalf of the asshat furries who spam 4Chan every friday though.  Sheesh... there's some in every group.

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CheerUpEmoKid at 24 Mar 2006: 19:25

It's like people who go to a Gallagher stand-up comedy show and complain that they got watermelon guts all over their shirt. As for everything this whiner said, it's nothing we haven't heard before.  "It's all been done before." --Barenaked Ladies

That being said, I'm not one of those idiots who sucks up to mods to score brownies.

These three took on one of the toughest jobs on the internet, most likely for the love of the art, not for pay. I think they've done a fairly good job, being able to appease the art distribution Nazis (READ: whiners like Bernal), and fending off the attacks of several internet humor/satire sites, and several imageboards that for some reason have a bug the size of John Holmes' dick up their ass about fchan/Sage Nadia/furries in general.

If you don't like it, leave. No one cares about your opinions of people that you never even MET.

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at 24 Mar 2006: 19:38

Falls over laughing at someone posting "(vapid, stupid discussion of trite matters and porn)" in the ""(vapid, stupid discussion of trite matters and porn)"" section.
uhhhhhh uuuuuumn *slaps self* play nice self, play nice .

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Xenofur at 24 Mar 2006: 21:03

>>8
you have to excuse them, not everyone knows CYD ^^

also, exactly what's a CYD BANE?

about the laugh: i would, if it were funny ;)

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at 24 Mar 2006: 22:47

>>8

If you were quoting somebody, then you should've indicated so, because there's not to believe that the original post wasn't your own work.  And no, it's not particularly funny.

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at 25 Mar 2006: 01:01

CrushYiffDestroy(just to clear up what CYD is for people who don't know) hasn't been funny or truthful in about a year.

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Sage Nadia at 25 Mar 2006: 01:04

Dull... Definately cute... But dull...

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Aikon at 25 Mar 2006: 02:57

^^ I gotta agree with you.  When I was 18 I thought trolls were fun.   I found it's usually best to ban and ignore.  Keeps my ass outta trouble anyway ;) 

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at 25 Mar 2006: 06:50

Plus I don't see why the furry comunitty is so special in that regard. All the comunitty with erotic art I've seen (read manga\anime, european\american comics, toons, etc) have all that "babyfur, bestiality, cub, guro, non-consentual, rape, scat, violence, vore, watersports, etc."

None of that started with the furry comunity and quite honestly I don't see it happening more on it than I do in other places (though granted it's not the sort of themes I keep tabs on since I don't like them).

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Speet! at 25 Mar 2006: 07:12

The difference that sets furry apart from other fandoms is that sex appeal is such a major part of it. If that were removed from the equation it would be a vastly different fandom with perhaps only half as much art as it supports now. For many if not most fans, discovering furry fandon meant finding erotic furry art for the first time.

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at 25 Mar 2006: 07:58

>>15

No more than the anime or comic comunitty, and the erotic part of the equation (everyone's fav) isn't a bad thing. If you'd remove every bit of erotic innuendo from classic art you wouldn't be left with much.

On a offtopic sidenote, if you think anime startd the gothic angel shota boy yaoy thing, check out Love Victorious by Caravaggio done around 400 years ago (give or take, I don't remember exactly). Po-Ju has nothing on him n_n

In any case ever since the dawn of time, art has always had (and will always have)a sexual component to it, so the sex part of the comunitty isn't even particulary exceptional in that regard.

One thing that might be though, is that I focus more on the art part of the comunitty (being an artist), rather than the roleplay bit. I don't attend cons so I don't know how really weird they can get.

I do see alot of misconceptions around the art part (like those I mentioned)and so it makes me question alot of what's said. Plus how much drama is really startd by furries, and how much is started by people posing as furries (y'know folks from SA or a group of troll). Granted I don't think CYD does that (they are more of a satire than anything else) but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Plus if troll like to see the flames spark, it would make sense to pose as furries and atack 4chan, and at the same time pose as 4channers and atack say Fchan. Then it's cooking some popcorns and enjoy the fireworks....and I've probably shouldn't have given ideas :P

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Raven at 25 Mar 2006: 10:26

I didn't realize I was so popular. I guess that means CYD ran out of decent material. Poor bastards. :P

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CheerUpEmoKid at 25 Mar 2006: 17:44

>>8

Last time I checked, CYD was an internet humor/satire site. An unfunny one, but still a site aimed at tickling it's viewers' funny bones.

I know what Crush, Yiff, Destroy is and frankly I don't care.

There are sites much funnier than CYD that don't resort to furry-bashing. Sadly, most of those sites, like "Ecchi Attack!"  are now dead, replaced by hundreds of so-called humor sites that seem to do nothing but bash furries, bash anime fans, recycle shitty flash movies and write highly-detailed articles about some strange candies they bought at a South California convenience store.

CYD reminds me of those kids in school back in the 80's-90's who tease guys with glasses for being nerds, then go into the bathrooms to smoke cigarettes because it's "cool."

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Juberu at 26 Mar 2006: 18:26

>>18
Who do most furs not know the meaning of "satire"?

Yes, I know CYD has veered into poor rants. But it's supposed to be a self-critical look at the fandom.

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at 26 Mar 2006: 18:59

sat·ire (săt'īr')
n.
1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

just in case:
de·ri·sion (dĭ-rĭzh'ən)
n.
1. Contemptuous or jeering laughter; ridicule.
2. An object of ridicule; a laughingstock.

sorry to say, but no, what is written der on CYD does not fit the definition of satire.

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at 26 Mar 2006: 19:51

>>20
no, i'm sorry to say that it IS satire, just from the definations you just gave.
sorry.

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at 27 Mar 2006: 00:02

>>21

I really fail to see any irony, derision(well, technically there's a lot of derision, but none of it is really based on fact), or wit in any of the CYD postings for awhile. It's all just pretty much just slander hidden behind the "satire" label. For actual satire, I'd watch something like that Daily Show and take notes instead of just looking like an idiot.

The concept of "self-critical" is pretty ignorant. So, just because the person considers his/herself to be a part of whatever group they're attacking, it's automatically considered satire as opposed to a rant? Anyone who is really a part of the group would never have to result to tactless bashing to get a laugh out of members of the same group.

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at 27 Mar 2006: 01:33

Well, I said their objective is satire, but I never said they where subtle or even good at it. It's one of those situations where people think they are funny and smart when in fact they aren't.

Satire is suposed to atack the wrongs of society in a funny and subtle way (read the Daily Show, Political Cartoons, Comic Strips, the Cherry awards, etc), but in order to do it, you must be perceptive in order to see beyond common conceptions, and inteligent in order to interpret what you see. If you do otherwise then you're just bashing and being rude and idiotic (as in being like most trolls).

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at 27 Mar 2006: 07:52

More often than not good furry satire comes from the artists themselves who make cartoons mocking some of the trends of the comunity. I remember one that was submited sometime ago portraing the con atending fandom. It was funny, it was well done, it showed a truth of the comunity but it wasn't crass nor offensive.

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Juberu at 27 Mar 2006: 11:37

>>23
"society in a funny and subtle way"

"sat·ire (săt'īr')
n.
1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity."
Irony, derision, and satire aren't necessarily funny. However, I do think that any humor CYD once had is lost under the ranting. The funny is stronger in the forums.


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at 27 Mar 2006: 14:03

Irony tends to be funny and wit means subtle enough. Any dimwitted idiot can insult someone and think he's being funny, but that's not satire.

In this particular case the bloke that wrote that is merely insulting like a drunkard. he has no grace, no humour (other then the humour we find in a drunk making a fool of himself) and is just being..well an idiot.

In any case that's besides the point. We pretty much agree that  any comedic qualities CYD might have once had are now lost.

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Doral at 29 Mar 2006: 08:40

I suggest you all take a look at Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal," considered to be one of the first forms of satire. Those dictionary.com definitions are cute for a simple explanation, but satire is a little more complicated than that, like all literary forms.

Satire doesn't have to be "funny," in the sense its supposed to make you laugh. If it was, it would be called "comedy".

Satire really is supposed to shock you by taking some issue and presenting it in such a ludacris, rediculous way that you're supposed to look between the lines, cause no one could possibly believe the actual literal words. But, I guess that got lost on some of you. :)

Although, satire is pretty hard to recognize. If you're like in fifth grade. :)

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K at 29 Mar 2006: 09:33

Since everyone still can't read the definition, I'll just step in and clarify why this rant is nothing related to satire and is just pathetic, like most of the stuff they throw out:

"sat·ire (săt'īr')   n."
About the only thing you've all got right.

"1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit."
There's no irony or wit here, I think we can all agree.  And though there is plenty of ridicule, it's all targetted at lies the article itself made up, hence fails to attack any folly except its own vice of lying for popularity and hits.  If that is what the satire is, then they succeeded, but the writers of this obviously aren't smart enough to think on that level.

"2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity."
Yet again, no irony or wit exists in this article.  All sarcasm is attached to nonsense, thus losing any hope of exposing folly, vice, or stupidity other than its own.


For its rampant hiding under the name of satire, while proving unable to actually use said device, time and time again, I hereby give CYD five out of five "U FAIL"s

And to those who assume any pathetic strand of insults strung together under the title of "it's satire :D" actually IS satire, I hereby give you four out of five "U FAIL"s.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

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at 29 Mar 2006: 19:28


"Being a full time artist is more work than even being an intern in an ER. It is harder and more competitive than just about any other work you may find." ITS TRUE, ITS TRUE!!!

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V-day#ZFxC.sANuc at 29 Mar 2006: 21:25

>>31
Even worse than crab fishing? Well, why the devil don't you morons stop making shitty art for no money then and come up to Iceland sometimes? We're always looking for a few more good pieces of crab ba-er hands on deck.

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Sage Nadia#Admin at 29 Mar 2006: 23:10

I think people need to learn what "full time artist" means.

A full time artist is one who makes their living doing nothing but artwork. More often than not they are freelance. They have no steady paycheck coming in from any source like most other work. They work more than eight hours a day, six or more days a week. They pay their own way. They have extreme self discipline. And there are very few of them out there.
In fact, in all the artists I know, I would only call less than five of them full time professional artists.

>>32 I haven't ever crab fished. I have to much respect for the crabs to do such. I have worked a season in the past doing drift net fishing. That was an experience. But I would still never rate it near as hard as the work I watch some of the artists I keep company with.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 08:22

>>33
Seriously?  I mean, I can see Artists having a hard time maybe... but not ER hard or anything.  I mean, in ER, someone could die if you screw up, adding enormous amounts of stress to a very difficult job, and if you're feeling tired, but an emergency just came up, no break for you, get to work and do it perfect... no do-overs.  Artists have it easy compared to THAT at least.  I'd say artists have it as bad as the others in the arts field.  Writers, actors, and musicians.  Some make it big, but most live cheque to cheque and are constantly working against deadlines/ looking for gigs/ auditioning, etc.  Stressful to be sure, but not so very difficult.  Laying ashfault or hot tar roofing in the summer are nasty jobs.  Working the rigs is pretty tough.  Mining or working in refineries will knock the years off your life in a hurry.  Arctic fishing claims a few lives every year.  Police officers, firemen, and soldiers risk their lives in a business with little or no room for error... then there are horrible jobs like cleaning bird crap off of statues...

Nah... at worst, I'd say artists have an above average difficult time of things, but certainly nothing brutal.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 08:39

For two years I painted signs, doing everything from drumming up the buisness, to gathering all the materials, to the end install
along with building, materials, and house, payments.
I found the work to be rather easy -  way eisier than what I saw my paramedic friend doing, also far less stressfull - I wouldent kill someone if I got a colour swatch wrong.
there is a thing called work smart, not hard.
this is a place where hard real world experience seems to be at odds.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 09:50

>>34
I think she means, working for a living. Working at a hospital or something, you get big bucks. You get enough to survive, usually quite comfortably. Try to survive as an artist. There's a reason the term "starving artist" exists, after all. ;)

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at 30 Mar 2006: 10:13

I'm hungry, someone give me work!

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at 30 Mar 2006: 12:44

>>36


but it's still not as hard as knowing you have a fucking life in your hands.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 13:34

I believe that when Nadia says a true does-it-for-a-living artist is a more stressful and difficult job than working at a hospital, she's thinking in terms of man-hours spent at the job in relation to the payout, moreso than the actual job itself.  An artist may spend days on end working on a piece on to net, what, enough to get by for the rest of that month?  Whereas a hospital worker may get enough for the month in a day or two's work (I don't know the average hourly wage, so I'm making a rather liberal guess).  On top of that, they get benefits from their employer.

So, yeah, I'd say Nadia has it about right when she says working as an artist for a living is a severely stressful job.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 13:52

don't forget the part about the competition. as an artist you are up against a crapload of other artists who want teh same money you're gunning for.

as an ER employee you don't have to worry about being pushed out for someone who can do te same job 1% faster.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 18:51

Go tell someone who just watched some kid die in ER because they screwed up that ther job is less stressful than someone who draws pictures.  Seriously, they aren't even in the same ballpark.  In one, you might be forced to take a day job.  In the other, people die, and you have zero room for error.  Air Traffic Control pays well too, yet it's considered one of the most stressful jobs in the world, and all their doing is watching a monitor and talking on the radio... but if they mess up, people die.  It's stressful.

I'm not saying that being an artist  isn't stressful... I'm just saying it's extremely arrogant to assume that it's more stressful than something like ER.  Yeah, it makes you sound cool because it makes it sound like artists are like doctors saving lives by proxie... but it also diminishes the important and grueling work the ER people go through by lumping them down with someone who spends their days drawing and painting.  Yes, the starving artist image is classic... but if you screw up, you just take a day job, or you draw another picture, with nothing lost but your investment of time.  You don't need to live with a dead or crippled painting on your hands.

I'd say pro artists fall somewhere above jobs like construction and trades, and well below difficult or direly stressful jobs like mining and ER work respectively (and remember, ER are the guys that are doing things like life-saving surgery... they aren't the desk jockies... though everyone probably knew that).  At best, I'd say artists have it as hard as anyone who opens a small business (some of those entrepreneur types work like 90-100 hours a week, and any small disaster can reduce their life's work to nothing).  Stressful, but nobody dies, so not THAT stressful.

On the other hand, I know what Nadia meant.  A lot of people think of artists as something along the lines of people who get paid to play video games.  An easy, joke of a job, which isn't true (for any of the art types).  It's hard work, and it's uncertain... but to compare it to ER is like comparing camp councilors to military commanders.  If a councilor screws up, his campers are unhappy and the parents demand their money back.  If a captain screws up, a bunch of people, his soldiers or otherwise, might die.  The captain may have a fixed income of sorts, and doesn't need to worry about his next meal or a place to stay, but yeah, the sheer magnitude of the consequences matter.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 19:49

>>39 oh... hahahah, you're being serious? and here i thought that art was made for the reward of making art... silly me, i didn't know that artists did it sheerly for the money.

wow, thank you for clearing that up with me.

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at 30 Mar 2006: 19:56

>>41 "I'd say pro artists fall somewhere above jobs like construction and trades,"

a list of real, professional artists... Jim Lee, Mike Wieringo, Stan Lee, Todd McFarlane... you won't see a fur in those lists mainly because 90% of the time, no furry will ever get to the level in art that any of the _real_ pro's will be able to... at best, furry artists are just hobbiests with delusions of grandeur and an occaisional cheque for :10bux: in the mail now and then.

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