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at 29 Mar 2006: 23:46

LOLs Spike TV, the CSI episode; fur and loathing.
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at 30 Mar 2006: 01:41

Old news, *yawn* 

I hope that have a "Survivor: The Furry Experience" edition or something, soon, just so folks have something new to yap about. 

Maybe a furry episode of that plastic surgery show....  That's work.  And maybe make the show worth watching once too.  :P

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at 30 Mar 2006: 08:15

>>2
Speaking of plastic surgery, in a South Park episode Kyle's father had plastic surgery to transform himself into a Dolphin. It's vaguely furry, I guess.

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toadLicker at 30 Mar 2006: 20:15

>>2 even better... a house full of furries and only one internet connection (that only works for one hour)... it'd be better than survivor on so many levels.

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at 31 Mar 2006: 09:55

>>4

No thanks -- we already played that game at Mephit Furmeet last year, when all the Second Life-rs and Bittorrent-leeches killed the hotel's WiFi for the whole weekend.

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at 31 Mar 2006: 13:26

>>5 huh? so, you go to a con to meet people, socialise and get out and have fun and they hop onto SL? wow, there's some money well spent.

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at 31 Mar 2006: 13:36

>>6

Well, it's not like the thing lasts for the *entire* day. Granted, most of the people there probably weren't the most accomplished socialites, but I'd assume most of it went on afterhours.

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at 31 Mar 2006: 13:38

>>7 oh wow... but i guess it'd be bound to happen considering the variety that this fandom encompasses. still. it does boggle my mind in a way.

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at 31 Mar 2006: 14:03

i really doubt the second life players were the problem, given the fact how sweet an unmetered megabit connection must seem to anyone who uses BT. ;)

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at 3 Apr 2006: 03:18

>>3
Speaking of shows that have "Furry themes". Has anyone notice that Cartoon network has become more furry, as if the Head CN people were furry themeselves?  If you don't know what I am talking about; I will give you a few examples.

1. In the "Life and times of Juniper Lee" show they had a ep where the characters were at a award show. One of the catagorys was "Best Anthropromichic(sp?)animal award". I don't know about any of you, but that is the first and only time I have everheard the "anthro" word used outside of the internet and in a cartoon.

2. They made 2 highly furry themed shows. One is "Camp Lazo" which is 100% furry. The other is "My gym partner is a monkey" which is about 75% furry.

I think CN might surely has someone thats a furry in Execs office or something. I bet there will be more furry or furry themed stuff to come.

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at 3 Apr 2006: 08:21

>>10 Someone explain to me why furries keep thinking that when something even remotely has a anthro theme, furries think there's 'furry' inside the production or it's aimed towards them? Newsflash - Furry are not Cartoon Network's targeted viewbase. Furries aren't ANYONE'S targeted viewer/user base. Cartoons have used anthropromorphic animals as target characters for YEARS, well before the first furry even knew what the hell furry was. Furrys as a whole are not enough of a marketshare to make creating a toy/show/cartoon/videogame worth it. Never have been, never will be.

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at 3 Apr 2006: 09:41

>>11 Anytime you see a sexualized anthro in a cartoon, it's because somebody on the production team liked the idea. Just because a show isn't targeted towards furries doesn't mean there aren't furries in the creative department (even if they don't realize it themselves).

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at 3 Apr 2006: 12:21

>>9
*looks at 10Mbps ethernet connection*
Exsqueeze me?

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peppermint rhino at 3 Apr 2006: 13:23

i agree with #11. if u think about it the outside just looks at us as 2 steps above peteviles. more like perves, drawing with one hand and jerking off with the other.

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at 3 Apr 2006: 13:28

>>10

I absolutely laughed at the use of 'Anthropromorphic' in that Juniper Lee episode. Not because of its furry connotations, but the fact a word that large would be used in childrens programming.

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at 3 Apr 2006: 15:32

they say stuff like that all the time like if u watch fairly odd parents and other shows they stlip stuff in there like that where it wors on 2 levels so the kids get a cheap laugh and the adults laugh cause they accuatly understand that joke.

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at 3 Apr 2006: 19:21

>>10
Are you kidding? We have fewer anthropomorphic cartoons now than ever, certainly less than 15 years ago when we had quality anthropomorphic cartoons like Rescue Rangers, Tale Spin, and Tiny Toons.

However, I doubt the rise and fall of anthropomorphic cartoons has anything to do with the furry fandom. Early '90s cartoons had emphasis on writing, storytelling and the art of animation that modern cartoon lack. Anthropomorphic characters worked well in the '90s style of cartoons, but they just aren’t making those kinds of cartoons anymore. Teletoon tried with Redwall and Silverwing, but kids seem to just want to watch mindless eye candy nowadays.

>>12
A large bust and shapely body are iconic. Kids can recognize that a character is "sexy" and the things that implies about their personality, without being aroused by the character. Sometimes a breast is just a breast.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 4 Apr 2006: 03:33

>>12 Winner.

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at 4 Apr 2006: 15:32

Even if they don't realize it themselves?  Give me a break.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 4 Apr 2006: 15:47

>>19 Kids recognize "sexy" a lot sooner then you may think.

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Aikon at 4 Apr 2006: 15:54

>>15

The writing on that show is more developed that it needs to be, that's for sure.

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at 4 Apr 2006: 16:14

I've noticed a lot of animated shows these days have jokes and innuendos that clearly aren't targetted to their primary, younger audience.  With parents being more protective of what their children watch these days, I always assumed it was just their way of entertaining the parents too, while they and their child(ren) watch whatever dribble comes on the television these days.

Sit down and watch an episode or two of Spongebob.  There are obvious jokes meant for the kids, but there's also a bunch of other stuff that only someone older would "get."

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at 4 Apr 2006: 18:43

>>22
errr...you haven't watched anything that wasn't made in the 90's, have you? The only 80's shows that didn't do this were Hasbro's and Filmation's. (which were tied closely to toy lines.)

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 4 Apr 2006: 19:15

>>23 Hell the "Flintstones" was made for prime time and was at least to start was aimed not at children. If we wanna go on, Tex Avery created the infamous "Little Red Riding Hood" cartoon back in the freaking 40's and that cartoon wasn't aimed at children at all, more so that it's nigh impossable to find the unedited ending these days. And that edited ending sure wasn't aimed at 'furries' though it could look to be. Tex offen had sexual/adult themes in his toons and he caught high hell for it.

Sex and cartoons is nothing new, remember cartoons were part of the stuff -before- the movies at one time and as such needed to appeal to all ages, the kids for the action and sometimes the adults for the themes.

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at 4 Apr 2006: 20:29

Animaniacs was full of sexual innuendo. For example, in an episode the wolf launches like a firework at the site of Minerva, which is a thinly disguised metaphor for ejaculation. Or, when a one-time character says that he likes an animal and the Warners respond with their "Goodnight everybody" line that they usually say after something rude, definitely leaves the impression that they're referring to bestiality. Not to mention countless puns on words like "Uranus" and "Lake Titicaca". The characters joked about pushing the censors, and in fact, when Nicktoons showed Animaniacs in syndication, they censored it!

Adults enjoyed the jokes. And I think kids got a kick out of knowing they were hearing inappropriate jokes, even if they didn't understand the jokes (though I believe that kids are smarter than adults assume, and probably understood a lot of it).

Some more recent shows have had an occasional dose of sexual innuendo, like Powerpuff Girls and Spongebob, but not in the frequency of Animaniacs. And recent animated movies have had many jokes for adults, like the "Chickens Gone Wild" line in Chicken Little, but they still aren't as vulgar of Animaniacs, and certainly not like Tex Avery's stuff mentioned by >>24. Organizations like "Parents Television Council" are on the prowl these days.

I’ll leave you with an Animaniacs quote: "Yakko, can you conjugate?", "Who, me?  I've never even *kissed* a girl!", "No no no.  It's easy.  I'll conjugate with you.", "Goodnight, everybody!"

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Anon at 4 Apr 2006: 21:26

>>24

What were the editted and uneditted endings?

>>25

I miss Animaniacs. :(

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 4 Apr 2006: 23:41

>>26 Edited - It's been -fovever-, but pretty much the wolf gets away from Grandma who is no spring chicken and is so horrorfied by what he had to deal with that he swears off girls forever, proclaiming if he ever sees a girl again, he'll kill himself. Red strolls out and he takes a .44 and blows his brains out, but in typical Tex humor, his ghost pops up to stalk Red shortly after.

Unedited - The wolf follows Red home, to find Granny (Not the WB Tweety bird one) waiting for him and she being a dirty old woman falls into heat and runs him down and forces him to marry her with a shotgun. Fade out and in to show a year or so later the two unhappy married couple with a number of half wolf offspring running around. For some reason they end up going to the show and it ends up with the wolf and his sons all howling at Red as she comes out. This has never been shown on US TV and only unedited verson was on 16 mm film released to the US Army for the troops overseas back in the 40's. The only proof there is a secound ending is only on stills, though it's rumored in MGM's film value there might be a copy. It's unlikely to be released as the unedited ending dialog between Granny and Wolf was said to be almost outright clear the two had rutted like mad, or most likely Granny made the wolf preform.

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Anon at 5 Apr 2006: 16:51

>>27

Thanks.

Isn't it kinda strange and amazing the stuff cartoons got away with back in the day? If Animaniacs were to air as a new cartoon now, all the soccer moms and dads would shit their pants and storm the studios.

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at 5 Apr 2006: 22:59

Okay here is a question.  When characters are made, to be more clear, when female characters are made, they are made to be the heros or main character's lover(because gay in cartons can never be(well atleast admittedly gay)). Okay so when Minerva mink, Lola, Krystal, and any other fem characters in games and in tv are made really sexy, it isn't because the creator is a furry, but is just trying to make a sexy character for the main character to find attractive?

Question 2. Fritz the cat, a totally furry movie. Was it truely made for adults, but just aimed at them for the adult value and not someones passion for furry?

>>25
>Some more recent shows have had an occasional dose of sexual innuendo, like Powerpuff Girls and Spongebob.....

Where are you getting this information? Its not that I don't believe you or anything, but I am 20 and I have never seen any "sexual innuendo" in spongebob, or ppg, or even Animaniacs. Is it because I am slow or something? The worst I have seen was the whole commosion over spongebob holding hands with patrick. All that did was make the gays think SB was gay and put the show on Hiatus for a while. To tell the truth I have never even seen any adult jokes in any cartoon unless the cartoon was clearly adult themed ie: southpark, simpsons, family guy, "adult" swim shows. I mean the closest thing to a sexual innuendo that I saw in a cartoon was on teen titans "date with destiany" where starfires breast bounced when she got mad.

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at 5 Apr 2006: 23:12

Most people who aren't "furries" view that sort of stuff as attractive - but from a human perspectibe. Like they aren't turned on by the fur, ears or the fact she's a rabbit/fox/whatever else, they're turned on the breasts and curves, and only those. Whether or not this eventually leads to an attraction to furries is debateable.

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at 5 Apr 2006: 23:31

>>30
makes sense to me.

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at 5 Apr 2006: 23:36

>>29
In animaniacs there are several suggestions. When in the episode with mozart he tells yakko that he is a pianist, everyone thinks ok he plays piano. The warner bros act like he said penis. In the episode where dr scratch & sniff gets a parking ticket the meter maid says penial code. Everyone thinks penalty. But the warners think she said penis code. In the minerva mink episode with the hunting dog she is about to take a bath in a pond, she starts to remove her cover and the warners all the sudden show up and say hellooooo nurse. Now whether that is sexual innuendo to you is entirely up to you. Unless you are watching for sexual content in a cartoon then you may not see it. It could be you are not as sexually addicted as some of us here.

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at 5 Apr 2006: 23:50

>>32
Must be because I never saw any of that.
Except for the hello nurse bit, but that did that to most all girls in that show

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 6 Apr 2006: 04:06

"Question 2. Fritz the cat, a totally furry movie. Was it truely made for adults, but just aimed at them for the adult value and not someones passion for furry?"

R.Crumb isn't a furry. Fritz was largely a symbol of the times and the movie was not only more trouble then it was worth but it caused it's creator to kill the character. It was made because it was thought it would make money and the filmmaker at the time wanted to try something new.

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at 12 Apr 2006: 21:48

K, I don't normally post here. In fact I DON'T post here, but I have to add my two cents.

In PowerPuff Girls, there's a lot of innuendo about Ms. Bellum being The Mayor's paramour...Oh, let's not forget the 'Superfriends' commercial where the PPGs went "Maybe one day we'll be as DEVELOPED as you :D" to Wonder Woman. Everyone pauses...then laughs.

OF course there's loads of mature yet not-so-sexual themes in 'kids' programming these days...I'd like to think that they make the cartoons for everybody...which is why people complain about some of the less than stellar shows CN is airing these days. Take, for example, Billy and Mandy. One evening they had a CTHULHU episode. Not only was it brilliant, but I'm pretty certain none of the children that might've been watching that ep would have been familiar with H. P. Lovecraft.

But yeah, there were certainly plenty of phallic and zoophilic references in Animaniacs.

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