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>>318
 Besides, science lost it's ability to be an authority the moment the scientific community allowed psychology and other 'soft sciences' call themselves 'science' and demand the same respect as hard science, without adhering to basic scientific principles.  It's all been down hill from there. 

When science becomes as much a matter of faith as religion (IE: This is a fact, but only works *if* you accept common, unprovable assumptions like 'God' or unvaried 'probability' constructed on limited factors and ignoring everything that doesn't 'fit') then 'fact' and 'opinion' becomes much the same, and the only authority we have left is a pragmatic philosophy based simply on observation and logic (the same principles that spawn 'science' before it got all messed up). 

Several pragmatic philosophies have already been expressed regarding the so called 'morality of besitiality' and have been completely ignored or dismissed, either because they work (which is no fun, and leaves nothing to argue about) or because they conflict with various unpragmatic philosophies (Eww, it's icky, something must be done!) and/or the Cult of Science (well, you don't KNOW for a FACT) who seems to still believe there's such things as univeral absolutes in a subjective reality that can be found by means other than practical experiment and observation.

In short, people will argue because they like arguing, rather than accept any of the nurmerous *reasonable*  (albeit practical and unsatisfying in that ego-gratifying sort of 'I win' way) conclusions that have been presented. 

Such is life.  I just figure I can have some fun throwing their own nonesense back in their faces, ergo >>311 and >>307

Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery...  At least when it's not intended as mockery.  :)

>>323

I believe that this discussion was started with the sole purpose of causing strife.  Nothing good will come of it. Morality discussions don't even make sense on a site like this.  They only exist to cause problems.

To those of you who feels that the discussion is pointless, feel free to not read it.  I think the discussion is entertaining, and it will certainly make people on both sides have to excerice their brains a little.  So, if you don't enjoy it, stay out of it, and don't get in the way of those who actually enjoy the discussion.

I find it interesting to read other people's point of view, wheter they agree with me or not.  It's not pointless at all to find out what people on both sides of a debate are thinking and feeling.  Quite the opposite: It's constructive to learn of other people's opinions, wheter you agree with them or not.

>>327
Oh, there are quite a few good posts from both sides.  But they are difficult to spot among the posts that don't contribute with much substance.

btw, if you think a post is jut a flame, there's the star to the side with which you can report it to the mods. :)

>>299
I have already given an example. I am tired of talking to you. And you can think what ever that makes you happy.

>>302
The whole reason I brought it up was to point out the stupidity of the argument. I totally agree with you. My point was that the mentality of some of the people on this board was that you Fail at Life because you have sex with animals while they sit at home jacking off to Furry Porn. These are not a Fail at Life but if one is then the other is also.

>>309
Dude you must be incredibly bored to read through all my posts. I have not read every single one of his posts but I have read at least 90 % of them and I agree he has twisted some things around but he at least gives a bit of explanation into why he believes that way. Juberu on the other hand has not said anything to explain why he thinks my opinions are wrong except to say that I am wrong because he thing I am some type of confused individual that does not know what I am talking about.
I at least try to be natural but when attacked I attack back it in my nature.
It is funny if I actually knew him I would think it was a personal attack.
And one more thing how do I know this isn’t Juberu himself. You defiantly write like Juberu.

>>315
Short and to the point I like that. I wish I could get my point through with that many words.
I am not being sarcastic, I’m serious.

>>319
The reason that there are no solid facts is because it is so hard to find them and when you do there are almost always strings attached.

>>321
This already has gone out of hand. This thread has the Title of the longest discussion on fchan.

>>326
That has to be the most constructive comment on this board. Great work dude.
Now if only you could convince every one to think the same way this world would be a better place.

>>328
Quite true. I have heard some really good points and facts from both sides. The problem is that the next few post you will have some nub come along and twist their words and make them look like fools.
And don’t think I’m talking about what is happening with me and Juberu.

>>332
Thanks for the kind words, DragonFlame.

This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue posting it forever just because...This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue posting it forever just because...

So, do I get a medal or something for starting the longest thread in /dis/? ;)

>>339
>>337

Nobody really wants to repeat what's already been said and better, thus setting themselves up for various atacks on ther character for being "ignorant" and "closed minded". >>337 There's a lot to be said about your points, but I think  speak for a lot of the "not just bashing" types when I say Screw That!  I'm not discussing it here.  Sorry man, but every time someone makes a point about bestiality being wrong, like five people start picking apart every little thing they say, and then some jerks come in all jihad-like and lump everyone on this site as animal rapers, and then a bunch of people just post for the sake of posting, contributing nothing to the discussion.

It might be interesting to actually talk to you about this Svansfall, but not here. People can't seem to tolerate this discussion, and those that decide to post something constructive have only read the last few posts most of the time. Hell, I wasn't even going to reply, but something about DragonFlame's comment bugged me... that silence is somehow implied as agreement and awe. No. Just, no.

>>342
Silence.... What silence. You must be crazy its freaking loud.
LOL ;)

>>342
One more step to 400.  =)

>>347
Also relevent:  The book the guy you linked to reviews.  "Dearest Pet: On Bestiality" by Midas Dekkers. 

Though by this point it's probably rediculous to expect folks would be willing to read any take on the subject that wasn't at all heavily biased in either direction in favour of people's own ego-response.  God forbid anybody approach the subject in an enlightened, scholarly manner.

sex with animals! anybody ever jacked off their dog? i need tips. i can't make him cum.

>>349
I assume you are referring to this: "In the 1940s, Kinsey asked twenty thousand Americans about their sexual behavior, and found that 8 percent of males and 3.5 percent of females stated that they had, at some time, had a sexual encounter with an animal. Among men living in rural areas, the figure shot up to 50 percent. Dekkers suggests that for young male farm hands, animals provided an outlet for sexual desires that could not be satisfied when girls were less willing to have sex before marriage."

That's Midas Dekkers' suggestion, not Peter Singer's, just so we don't get mixed up. And I don't think Dekkers is "blaming" women at all, just trying to account for the 50% rate among rural men (brothels being less common in rural areas). That was in the 1940s, too, and attitudes about sex before marriage have changed a lot since then...

But young rural women can hardly be blamed for the backwards sexual ethics that were/are forced upon them under penalty of being outcast. Blame the people who push bronze age patriarchal sexual rules... Focus on the Family, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, etc.

This thread is still moving?

>>354  Yes, it is.  We're trying to get to 400, so thanks for the help.  :)

>>357
Actually now that I think of it, we're a society full of unwanted people that are obsessed with possessions and ownership.  In order to acquire more things you need to take them from people, and if you don't employ violence they're likely to take them back, and with so many people, we subconsciously don't want any more.  Hatred for sex and glorification of violence... witht he usual twist.  Sex for others is bad, but good for the self, and it's okay for others to die and so forth.  I mean, look at the basis of stability in our culture.  "Do what we say or goons with guns will come to your house and lock you up."  And we're all so accepting of it too.  For the powerless, it's cutting people off in traffic, or getting pissed off at people who don't trim the weeds in their lawn, or have a nicer lawn than you.  For the powerful, it's about making sur ethey stay where they are, and any means of doing so is justified because they basically control everything.

It's all very emo, and very old.  Human life means nothing, so all we have left is our dignity, which most of us waste.  I mean heck, I could start down the correct path right now and trash the gun I have in my garage and spend my extra cash on something good like feeding the hungry or restoring the environment, but I think the gun is cool and I prefer to spend my cash on cigarettes, cider, and movies.  The closest I'll ever come to being moral is pointing out how immoral I am on this fetish site.

Dude, this got depressing!  Ah well.

It's not so much that we need more fighting just for it's own sake.  What we need is honesty.  I have long felt that, if someone or something inspires righteous indignation in you, it is healthy for you to act on that feeling provided that you approach the situation with a sense of honor. That is a part of being honest with yourself.

Sexual honesty is equally important, and it is something that is significantly lacking in our society.  Yes, your girlfriend would be more attractive if she lost a few pounds.  You do feel an urge to try something different after sleeping with the same woman for years.  You're boyfriend would be better if he had a bigger penis.  It isn't wrong to feel that way when it's the truth.  You only hurt yourself when you try to tell yourself that it isn't.

As for bestiality, yeah it's freaky and just a little disturbing, but it's not like the animals involved are emotionally scarred by it, so have a ball!