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Morality of bestiality (Was: End bestiality on Fchan!)

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Svansfall at 28 May 2006: 15:37

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I am thankful that you are willing to tolerate and look the other way.  That is all I ask for, of anyone.

My goal is not to anger anyone, and it is not to look like a great person or whatever.  Seriously, my goal is to try and make people to see that even if they may feel it is disgusting, or that it may seem unnatural to them, that it is unfair of them to use unkind words towards people who seriously would never do anything to harm an animal, mentally or physically, and whose only goal is to share pleasure with an animal who enjoys this very thing.

And of course you can compare the treatment of animals with the treatment of animals.  The animals don't care WHY they are being treated with pleasure or pain, they just care about being treated good.  If they are being treated good or bad for the reason of production, or for the reason of someone enjoying to spend time with the animals, it is the exact same question.  So how animals are abused and mistreated for the sake of production is a highly valid point, and easily comparable with how the animals are treated good/bad by someone who enjoys to spend time with the animals.

The cow will only know either that her calf was removed from her, and she doesn't know why, and she is very upset about it.   Or she will know that this same person that she knows treats her well, will spend time with her if she comes up to him to show him what she wants at the time.

I will quote myself in post 601: "I am not the kind of person to usually speak up about this, though, because I don't like when people are trying to tell others that their beliefs are wrong.  So I am not telling you that your beliefs are wrong, but I personally feel it is wrong."

So again, I repeat: I, personally, feel that it is wrong to use animals in production, because the animals are mentally and physically harmed from it.  I feel it is wrong, but I am not saying that you are wrong for eating meat.  It is just the same that everyone who feels it is wrong to have sex with animals, they have the right to feel that it is wrong, but I feel they shouldn't tell us that we're wrong.   If I rubbed a magic lamp or whatever, and got one wish, it would be that people all over the world would suddenly treat all living beings with respect.  But it's not going to happen, and I seriously feel it is wrong to try and force my own personal beliefs upon someone.   Why am I posting in this discussion, then, because in it I am clearly expressing my personal beliefs?  Well apart from the reasons I've already mentioned in another post, it is because people tried to force their own personal beliefs of zoophilia being wrong, upon others.

So, as for you eating meat, I am also willing to tolerate and look the other way.  Even though deep down inside, a part of me just wishes I could make everyone treat animals good.

QUOTE: "That's why I'm here.  Not because I think bestiality is wrong as such, but because THIS is bullshit! You're villifying a LOT of people in order to elevate what you do! You don't want tolerance, you want recognition and praise. What you do to your animals isn't GOOD.  It may not be bad, but it's not good."

Few people would dislike recognition and praise, but that's not what I am after here.  If I was looking for that, I would only post in forums where everyone are zoophiles.  But please explain to me, what is NOT good about making someone feel pleasure, while making sure that they don't get any physical or mental harm?

Is there any part of giving harmless pleasure that is not good?

QUOTE: "Not only are you saying I'm a bad person because I eat meat, but you're using that to justify what you do! That translates to me as you saying "I'm better than you"."

Again, I didn't say you were a bad person because you eat meat.  I said I think it is wrong to eat meat, it is not the same as thinking you're a bad person.  And being kind to an animal is still a good thing in my eyes, wheter other people are unkind to animals or not.  It doesn't "justify" being kind to an animal, but it is an important comparison to make.

QUOTE: "You imply again that somehow you're a good person BECAUSE you have sex with animals, and you alienate us meat eaters as murderers."

With all due respect, I am sorry if this offends you, but I honestly feel that it is a good thing to make an animal happy, and I honestly feel that it is a bad thing to cause stress and pain to animals.

As for the points that Anonymous#ns1dgrrSJ. made, I would have preferred to continue discussing with him.  He chose to disappear from the discussion, and I came into the discussion a bit late, and he only had time to reply to one or two of my posts.  The points made early on in this thread were for the most part extremely bad points that I do not agree with at all, especially from the bestiality side.

The thing is that I agree almost completely with most things Anonymous#ns1dgrrSJ. says.  He is also all about respect for animals, and that people must make sure to restrain their own desires for the wellbeing of the animals.  There are sadly people who do have sex with animals, without caring about the animals' happiness or wellbeing.  I am completely against that, and that is what he mostly spoke of.   One thing he says that you are quoting is "Indulging yourself without regard for others is a natural urge, but it's often wrong to give into that."   I fully agree with him.

And please do not feel that Anonymous#ns1dgrrSJ. would be the only one who I respect in this discussion. What I said was: "It does lessen your own credibility to critise those who have sex with animals."

It does not mean that you don't have credibility to criticise me, of course you do.  I said that it LESSENS your credibility, not that it removes your credibility.

I am very happy that you are discussing this with me in a calm and polite manner, despite the fact that you feel that I am calling you wrong, etc.  I am sorry for expressing myself in clumsy ways that could easily be misinterpreted, I am seriously trying my best, sitting here with a dictionary since English is a foreign language to me.

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