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DragonFlame at 2 Jun 2006: 11:42
>>685
Hey dude awsome post. I was about to reply to >>684 my self but you got there before me.
Just to make it clear I was annoyed at Juberu for a while because of his approach to my opinions but after reading the post back at a later date I have realised that there was just a big misunderstanding between us. I currently have no grudge agians Juberu and find a lot of his points quite valid.
Sorry if I have writen anything which caused you to misunderstand me Juberu I have a habit of writing things in a strange way especialy when im tired.
I think we should add you too that list GrapeTang, you have obviously read through this thread and have rasied some very good points.
>>686
The IQ question is a dificult one. Most anti-zoo's think (and im generalising) that consent can only be given through verbal comunication. I dont really agree with this but if it is true then yes it would be called rape.
Heres a hypothetical question for you guys. If a girl is lying naked on a bed and a male comes up and tries to have sex with her, but the female does nothing to indicate that she does not want sex (She doesnt say no, She doesnt try to get away). Is this considered rape? If so it seems a bit odd to me. If a human doesnt care if its having sex how is that rape. It is only when they dont want to have sex is it called rape.
Why does consent have to mean Yes. For consent to be related to rape the victim must be able to say No and from an anti-zoo point of view animals are unable to do this, thats why anti-zoo's think that its wrong. From a pro-zoo point of view consent is not verbal but done using body language, through body language they think they can determine if an animal is saying No.
Consent should not be determined by the person or animal saying Yes to sex but the opposite, if the animal or human is saying No. The question is can an anmial cominicate No through body language?
I am talking about the basic concept of consent here not the inteligence of the human or animal. I think we should work out what consent is before we even go into that.
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