Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 3 Jun 2006: 13:24
Not because she understands my words, but because I am not helping her find relief.
Did you just say that you touch your dog because she's horny?
I am not going to participate much in this discussion anymore,
Actually, I meant to leave without announcement somewhere in the 300s, but I came back, just to contest some points of logic, on both sides. Just when I thought that I was out, they pull me back in. I think I and others have argued this to as close to a conclusion as it's going to come: the sticking point.
Those on my side say the human definition of consent matters because there's a human in the relationship, and the animal doesn't know any better. Zoos say it's irrelevant precisely *because* the animal doesn't, and never will, understand the human idea of "consent". While I'm probably missing the subtleties, I think both sides can agree that there's not an inch to be given here. unless I'm missing something important. Anyone?