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>>946
Hello Juberu.

>Humans can meet animal standards of consent. Animals cannot meet human standards of consent. Why is the human half dropped entirely?

I cannot tell you why other people drop the issue of the human half.

The reason why I drop the issue of the human half is that I feel the human is responsible for his/her own wellbeing.  If the human participating in an act comes to harm in any way, it is his/her own fault.  You cannot blame the animal.  I feel that we as humans are responsible for the wellbeing of animals, it is our duty to make sure that the animals are not harmed in any way by our actions.

This is why I mean that when doing anything with an animal, be it non-sexual or sexual, that the human must always pay greatest attention to how the animal reacts to something.  As a rider of a horse, you must be sure you do not lead the horse through any dangerous passages, as well as taking great notice of if the horse gets stressed or uncomfortable by any situation you might lead the horse to.  If you as a rider fail to be responsible for the horse's wellbeing while riding, I feel it is wrong for you to ride.  Read the horse's body language, learn to understand their actions and reasons for why they act a certain way, and then you can be a responsible rider.

The same applies when having sexual interraction with an animal.  Sex is not a stigma to the animal, and what they enjoy and don't enjoy varies greatly from one individual to another.  An animal can be extremely bothered by being touched in a certain place, just like an animal can be extremely bothered by having a rider on their back.  Always respect the likes or dislikes of the animal - wheter it is a sexual or non-sexual situation.

We as humans have the duty to respect the animal, to be responsible, and to see that they are not stressed or harmed by anything.  This is why we have to respect the animal's level of "consent", because they clearly show "Yes" or "No".  But they cannot speak it with words, and therefor not meet the human's definition of "consent."

When the animal expresses that they are calm, happy or eager for something, when they by useage of actions and body language say "Yes."  Feel free to go horseback riding when the horse enjoys it, and also feel free to do any sexaul act, when the animal enjoys it.

When the animal expresses that they are stressed, worried, and uncomfortable with something, or when they outright kick you, bite you, or run away.  When they by usage of actions and body language say "No."   Don't go horseback riding, don't do any sexual act that the animal does not enjoy.  Instead... do something that you know they like, calm them down, make them happy, make sure they feel good.   And ALWAYS stay away from anything that the animal does not actively enjoy.  (With the exception of giving medication and health-treatment that needs to be done for their own wellbeing.)

If you need the animal to be able to give the human definition of "consent" in order to do anything with an animal, you could not even walk the dog, even though the dog comes up to you with their lead in their mouth, and go to the door and scratch it.

>>947
Hello Nameless person,

The act of bestiality is not a sexual orientation, it is an act.  Zoophilia is however a sexual orientation, and that is what I wrote in post 945.  The word Bestiality was not even mentioned in my post.  A majority of the modern scientists, researches, sexologists and psychologists who have studied this, reached the conclusion that zoophilia is a sexual orientation.  Links have been provided previously in this discussion.

A bisexual person, or a heterosexual curious person, can participate in homosexual acts without being homosexual.  In the same sense, people can participate in acts of bestiality without being a zoophile.

Zoophilia is a sexual orientation, but not everyone who are involved with acts of bestiality are zoophiles.  Nor are every zoophile involved with acts of bestiality - but the ones who are "only" zoophiles tends to most often be involved with acts of bestiality.

If you have a broader and wider sexual orientation, you can choose more easily wheter to acknowledge all the range or just focus on a small part.  A bisexual person can basically choose wheter they wish to be heterosexual or homosexual, and ignore the other part.  Someone who are able to be sexually attracted to humans as well as animals, can choose to ignore one of the parts.

So, there are zoophiles who never have sex with animals, and there are people who have sex with animals who are not zoophiles.