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at 28 Jun 2006: 04:39
>>979
Hi again, person who has a name that may as well be anonymous.
You keep saying that giving anyone sexual pleasure is bad. Sexual pleasure is one kind of pleasure.
But they're specific. Sexual pleasure. Sexual. Not just pleasure, it's specific to sexual pleasure. Furthermore, it isn't the pleasure they have a problem with, it's the sexual part. Nobody is saying that pleasure is bad. If you could give an animal pleasure without making it sexual, then the antizoos have no problem with you. They only have a problem with you if it's sexual. Do you know that that means? That means the problem they have is sex, and only the sex. Not the pleasure, the sex.
To say "because it is rape" does not answer the question of why giving sexual stimulation is wrong, when the animal shows that they enjoy it and are willing. Then they should have to state why it is rape to be sexual with someone who enjoys it and are willing.
They've stated why it's wrong like half a dozen times. It's wrong because it's rape, and it's rape because the animals can't consent, and they can't consent because consent requires understanding. They aren't wrong about this, you just disagree. You don't think consent requires rational thought, and they do. Until you can somehow convince them that rational consent isn't a factor, nothing you say will move them. Nothing. Don't you get it? They don't care that your animals like it. They think you're bad for raping your animals. They've explicitly stated this again and again. Why is that so hard to understand?
Pleasure is a large part of the willingness. If you are unwilling, a touch that would normally be pleasurable, is not pleasurable anymore. If you are unwilling the touch makes you feel uncomfortable.
Pleasure is a stimulation, something that your brain processes in accordance to certain types of input. Enjoyment is what you're talking about.
Since you feel that it is wrong, regardless of wheter the animal feels pleasure or not, and I feel it is wrong when the animal doesn't feel pleasure, then what we have to focus upon the part we don't agree upon, i.e. the part when it is about giving pleasure.
Okay fine, I really didn't care, I was just pointing out a really annoying habit you had of refering to a point nobody made, but I'll take a stance. I don't see any difference between you and the people who don't care about their animal's pleasure. You're both doing the same thing as far as I can tell. The only important difference being that you think your animals crave you, while normal zoos know they're fucking animals, and just do what they want.
If you were to get your cows a bull, I bet they'd raise their tails for him, and only come to you for food and such. They only reason they want you sexually is because you make them crave sexual stimulation, and you only provide yourself for them as a souce of this instead of a real mate. You're fucking sick, and I hope someone takes your cows away from you and gives them to a responsible owner who's grounded in reality.
You'll never give the cows a bull, because you like the setup you got.
You'll never quit masturbating your cows, even if anti-zoos somehow prove that you shouldn't, because you like what you're doing, and you won't listen to any points made against you.
My opinion; I don't know whether bestiality is, in itself, good or bad, but I'm pretty sure that you are a bad person, because you're using living things to fulfil your fantasies and perverted lusts. You're cows are gimps. Living sex toys. They're doomed, because you know how to manipulate their instincts, and you're self centered and perverted enough to use this knowledge so you can get your rocks off.
Maybe not the epitome of evil, but far removed from a good guy.
Of course, that's my opinion. I don't know for sure, but given what you've told us about yourself, this is the image I get of you. You freak me out, and I don't get it cause you claim to care about animals.
And FYI, you have about as much chance of convincing me otherwise on that matter as the antizoos have of convincing you that rational consent is important. In other words, I'm not really interested in changing my mind about you, so don't try too hard.
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