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I realize I'm not going to arouse a lot of popular opinion with this comment, but quite frankly, I don't have any problem with Y!Gallery's decision.  Before you think I'm playing the devil's advocate here, note that I absolutely LOVE anthro art, including M/M.  I also like yaoi.  I think there is a very big difference though in the styles, and the distinction they make in their specifications is rather accurate and does in fact encompasses certain forms of furry art if one looks hard enough.  Also (and this is VERY important) if one were to actually read the notes behind their decision, one might find that they are indeed regretful for doing what they are and have done quite a few things already to try and make it up to furries who feel they've been burnt. 

So curb the hostility down, perhaps?  Could us furs, I don't know, possibly try not to fit that long-established stereotype of being overreactionary?  Seriously.  They're being very nice about this; I see no reason why can't we do the same.  I'm sure in time we'll look back and realize that we already have a TON of sites available to us and really are not losing that much.  Unless we're looking for things to cry about, what do you say we let this one go?  At least be grateful you still have so many options.  I guarantee any fur from 10-20 years ago would be laughing at how silly all this drama is compared to the time they had collecting this stuff, am I right?  :P

>>2 Why do I suddenly feel like Booker T. Washington?  o..o

If nothing else, I'm glad at least they're at least trying to make some effort to work with M/M-loving furs regarding the issue.  With DA/SA, I didn't get that sense. 

I think it's high time, personally, that a popular mass gallery with a board format similar to how fchan is laid out mixed with the interactive qualities of FA were to be created.  I'd learn how to make one myself...but I'm lazy.  That's my excuse.  ^..^

I have to ask, what's <i>The Blather over Y!</i>?  What happened?  And I'm confused, what is SA?  **feels like an idiot tonite**

>>5


The blather is that as of yesterday, y!gallery is not allowing new furry art to be accepted on the main galleries, because it's become too pedominant on there, and is crowding out the other art, according to them (there's also some issues with people not tagging their artwork appropriately so that they don't slip by the filters unwanted). They say that it's a temporary ban, until they can find something more suitable for everyone (and, to prove their honestly about it, have regulated furry submissions to their Extras gallery, and are not having the previous furry art to be removed; they're even invoking strict punishments for anyone who reports old furry art on there, based on the new ban).

While I agree that it was rather stupid of them to do something like this, but the more that I'm watching how it goes down, the more I feel nauseous that I'm a furry fan; fur artists are leaving in droves, many of them giving y!gallery the finger on the way out. It's like they either didn't get the message that the ban was TEMPORARY, or they don't believe that it WILL be temporary. If the mods there are really serious about wanting to keep furry art on the galleries, then having most of the furry artists on there get up and leave is a sure-fire way to make them reconsider, honestly.

Considering the stunt they pulled on the members last month (April Fool's Day), I'm not surprised the members don't trust the mods, but for the love of Anubis, could we PLEASE get away from the angsty ball of emo fluff stereotype for at least ONE FREAKING DAY?!

>>7

I myself hate the sectionalism of all of these galleries. In other words, I hate moving from Deviant Art for normal pics, then to the unstable FA for Furry pics, and then to Y! Gallery for normal Yaoi. Isnt their someplace where EVERYTHING is tolerated without any of these stupid restrictions?

>>9


If that's the case, then I'll gladly pack up my bags and leave, but right now, I'm keeping a suspecting eye on the site.

>>13  If the "Anthro Developement project" is to be believed, the ban isn't temporary.  It's a *temporary solution* but not a temporary ban. 

There's no way to work things out to allow anthro art to be posted again as anything but an extra (which isn't really posting at all, merely linking), presumeably because they would have thought of it and nixed it already (because testing solutions before taking drastic measures isn't a worthwhile undertaking, I guess). 

There's talk of a 'sister site' and that's as good as it'll get, which would just be starting up 'yet another furry art gallery'.  I'm sure the admins of FA, Pure Yiff, and so on, really think that's a good, feasible idea. 

Guess them fat spencers goth chicks got fed up with seeing Cat boi's making out..

Does it fucking matter anyway? FA lets you put music up =p

>>18

Unstable, as in it crashes all the time.

>>20

To be fair, everyone has their limit... or they're psychotic.  Real snuff for instance...

Um...wouldn't you have to smoke the new disturbing art to get high off it?  Or possibly sniff the paints used?  I'm a little fuzzy on the techniques.  *..*

>>18 We do? FA crashes "all the time"? Other than some recent extended downtime for a scheduled hardware upgrade, we've been pretty stable for a while now. Our uptime in the past two months has been pretty good. We had a rough start, but...

Uh... yeah. "Crashes all the time?" No. That'd be like saying "Every choice George W. Bush Jr makes is a good one." Unbelievably fucking wrong! =D

>>25
 Well its not really one of those "Crashes all the time" shit, its more "OMG I CANT GET ON IN 5 SECONDS". I guess mainly the artists over at Y! were used to the speed and the other coded shit there and FA aint gotting it yet, its like going from a nice ass 06' mustang to some fucked up geo metro to them.

>>26

Yeah im sure it is, and the few that cant get their porn no more are going to end up raiding everything in site.

>>25
FA is crashing all the time in the same manner that fchan crashes all the time. :D

Y! Gallery's unapologetic and hollow repeating of the same phrases over and over and over about "not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings" and this just being a "temporary" solution is what makes most sensible people who've been screwed over before get that familiar buzz through their bull-shit detector.

Added to that some reletively well behaved people who comment negatively or in an "inflammatory" way or ask too many pointed questions about Why this is all happening in the newly created "anthro project" suggestions *and* Comments section created after the ban are getting an automatic 2 week ban and their comments immediately deleted Without warning is leading some people to believe that they have no intention of talking about this or really even Care what people have to say.

Yes, a lot of the bullshit is drama of the status quo, but some of Y's actions are genuinely unsettling in the good old fashioned book burning and abruptly silencing people who ask too many questions vein.

Dear #31:
Nonono! Temp ban =/= book burning or censorship. I am sick of hearing that. Did you not notice that they are keeping the already uploaded anthro art unless the artist took it down in a fit of drama? And what about the ADP?

You know, I've spoke with nearly every mod at y!. It boils down to the fact that the majority of the staff---those running and paying for the site--do NOT like anthro artwork. And it makes no reasonable or logical sense to expect them to continue spending their time/energy/money into hosting things they don't like. So I understand why they changed the TOS, and I certainly can't blame them, but it's the manner in which they handled it and are approaching it that is very frustrating. Instead of being honest: "Hey, we don't like this stuff, we don't want to pay to host it anymore" they're leading the furry artists on by implying it's all temporary, certainly be providing the ADP, which is just a means, in my opinion, to determine how many people they can get to -pay- for the source code of their site. Also, I read Snover's most recent journal regarding the matter. Unfortunately it basically just details that he's punishing -everyone- for the mistakes of some. Alot of furries broke the rules/whined/ect., but then the furries were the majority, so of course it seems like they were the ones always breaking the rules. But for every furry that did break the rules, there were 10 other artists or fans who did nothing but follow the rules, and sometimes even go out of their way to defend the site/staff against the 'drama furs'. Additionally, you have -staff- members making sarcastic and snide comments to those inquiring about what, exactly, was going on and why it came to the ban (quite politely, mind you), and stereotyping -every- anthro fan/artist who speaks to them...treating them as one of those 'drama furs' that everyone is being punished for. Basically, the responses just reek of a "It's MINE so neener, neener, neener" mentality. But it's all good. FA is well on its way. I find it amusing that y!Gallery's excuse for banning anthro art was that the gallery focus was the human male form, and yet, without the furry art, everyone refers to the gallery as one filled with nothing but androgynous girl drawings. So much for the appreciation of the human -MALE- form. *Shrugs*

>>36
  If it's within the last month, they can go to amazon and get it back. 

>>35
  Yup, I pretty much agree.  I'd be much less bothered by the whole fiasco if they'd just have been straight forward - We changed our minds, and the furries gotta go.  It's the game playing and BS that ticks me off.  :P

just admit it , you loved y!gallery because you didnt have to look at boobs.and now they taken away this priviledge from you.