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Wolfblade at 23 May 2006: 01:23

>>51 That's not the difference between us. You're honest about what you are. But what you admit to being is not anything to strive for. Being an asshole is not a commendable thing. The reason they call them assholes is because all they do is shit on everything.

If you're so happy being an asshole, why do you feel the need to point out everyone else's flaws as well? You admit you don't expect anyone to change. You admit you don't think anyone will actually listen to your opinion.

Then posting your opinion to people who obviously don't share it is every bit as pathetic and sad as people who spend their lifetime telling gay people they're going to hell. Not to try and save them, or help them dodge such a fate, or anything productive at all. Expending your energy in such a way is just sad.

You're not trying to make anyone a better person, and you're not trying to be a better person yourself. You're trying to use the fact that some people might be worse than you to justify you not having to improve yoursel as a human being at all.

I'm not denying who I am or what I do. Using a character that isn't mine IS stealing that character. Anyone who knows me knows I do fanart. Anyone who thinks that makes me a bad person is welcome to that opinion. I personally feel no guilt in doing something that doesn't hurt anyone at all and makes a lot of people smile.

The difference between us is not that you're honest about what you are. I'm honest about what I am too. The difference is that you are content to just be an asshole. I hold myself to a bit better standard than that.

"I never said I didn't want to be treated like an asshole."

>>40 You say you feel people who retaliate to your persecution are in turn persecuting you, and you express clearly that you don't like when people do that.

>>48 You say I'm making you out to be worse than you are, which implies distaste at someone putting you in a bad light, i.e.: treating you like an asshole.

>>44 You express that you are openly aware of being a rather dislikable person and that you feel that even being an asshole and a jerk only out for yourself in the end you still think you are as good as anybody can be. Except of course for the people who actually care, who must be miserable. I say this with no sarcasm and in all heart-felt honesty: I am sorry your life has been such that you've not known anyone worth half a shit. If this is genuinely how you feel about people, you can't have known anyone truly worthwhile.

>"When exactly did people start feeling it perfectly acceptable to be either?"

You serious?  When hasn't it been okay?<

Obviously we were brought up differently. Again, this is without being smart-ass or sarcastic: I'm sorry that the people who raised you were not able to give you any better example to aspire to be. The best I can suggest for you is to try and be better than the people around you, because they obviously aren't worth much, and I can assure you: even if you haven't had the luck of meeting any yet, there ARE good and decent people out there. They will have their faults of course, everyone does. But you can be more than just another asshole. It sounds like you have more reason than most to try and be better than the people who raised you so poorly.

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at 23 May 2006: 03:09

Do yourself a favor.  Everytime you come up with some lame ass rhetorical rhetorical question regarding my motives, just refer to my earlier answer.  I'm an asshole.  Why do I post where people don't like me?  Because I'm an asshole.  Why do I point out the flaws in others when I got plenty of my own?  Cause I'm an asshole.  See a pattern there, cause you seem to have difficulty grasping the subtlety there.  If that doesn't satisfy you, take a hint from all these other people.  You know, the ones that AREN'T posting.  See how they're not making page long posts saying pretty much axactly what I've admitted to?

Now, as for being better than me?  That's funny.  Basically, you've posted a few times with lots of unnessisary attacks, just like I do.  You're wordy about it, but it's basically a lot of shit that doesn't need to be said, with no intent of changing me and blah blah blah... you know, like I do.  Plus you steal... how about that.

Now, as for my blanket statement.  Everyone I know, and know of is either a liar, a thief, an arrogant bastard, a powerhungy and/or greedy jerk, selectively ignorant, a hypocrite, abusive, a manipulative prick, intolerant... usually a whole bunch of them.  If you're saying you know people that aren't at least one of those, then I call bullshit.  You fall under intollerant prick, which you have a problem with, so that also makes you a hypocrite.  Welcome to the human race buddy.  Be ashamed of it if you gotta be.  Deny it if all that shame bugs ya.

Oh yeah, you like wordy shit right?

It’s a common flaw in the logic of anyone criticizing another to completely overlook similar, or perhaps identical failings within themselves.  In an attempt to deflect the other side from pointing this out, character attacks, regardless of relevance, are often employed for the purposes of putting the opposition on the defensive, and thus, preventing them from going on the offensive and damaging one’s credibility.  This has a second distinct advantage, as it also allows one to accuse the other of “changing the subject”, which again forces the issue in a direction that puts the opposition on the defensive, while degrading their credibility further for “arguing incompetently”.

Normally I can say that shit in two sentences, but apparently being wordy and pretentious equals credibility or something.  In case it's too confusing for you, I'm accusing you of attacking my character in order to justify that A) you do it to, and B) you take shit that don't belong to you.  I'm not sure how me admitting I'm an asshole make it okay for you to steal.  Smiles or some shit.

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Svansfall at 23 May 2006: 04:49

>>53

I'm not addressing the main point here, because I am not interested in furry art to start with, and I have no opinion in the matter.

However, I'd just like to mention that there are a lot of really great people around in this world.  I know people who put down a lot of effort and work to help others, without getting any personal gain, except from the satisfaction of having helped someone.

I know a lot of people who are far too nice for their own good, and that are being stepped upon by others, because they care too much for others.   Now, if someone keeps taking advantage of your kindness too often, you're too kind.

I feel the best way to be is somewhere in between.  There's no such thing as perfection, but believe me, a lot of people in this world are really great, caring and helpful people.   I am sorry that you have not met any of them.

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Xenofur at 23 May 2006: 05:40

However, I'd just like to mention that there are a lot of really great people around in this world.  I know people who put down a lot of effort and work to help others, without getting any personal gain, except from the satisfaction of having helped someone.


so true :/

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Wolfblade at 23 May 2006: 16:50

>>53 I get that you're an asshole. You're missing that I'm telling you that you don't have to be.

You post something with no intention of changing people. I'm only talking to you now because I DO hope that maybe you can be convinced that not everyone in the world sucks as much as the ones you're around now.

Everyone is a hypocrite. No exceptions. Some of us try to avoid it when we can though. I despise intolerance. But that makes me intolerant to intolerance. That's a point where I am a hypocrite, yes. Unless talking about something that specifically causes harm, tolerance is good, intolerance is bad. Nothing that causes harm should be tolerated though BECAUSE it causes harm. Intolerance of something that causes no harm is hurtful to people who have done nothing wrong, and that makes intolerance bad, and THAT is why such intolerance should not be tolerated.

Ok, lets point out some of my similar failings. I can be an asshole too. But only when responding to someone else who is an asshole first. You can not beat someone by playing by the rules if they throw the rules out the window. If you keep from being an asshole, so will I. Calling "you too!" when someone only does something in reaction to you doing it first only serves to add their offense to your own, since they wouldn't have done it if you didn't do it first.

Being wordy and pretentious does not equate credibility. Speaking your mind in a civil and calm manner lends to credibility, and I am sorry that you define anyone not being an asshole as being pretentious.

Sometimes people can say words that sound nice and pretty and actually mean them.

I'm not attacking your character. I am pointing out to you that as often and insistently as you attack your own character, there's a chance you might not be as happy with it as you say you are.

I never said you being an asshole makes it ok for me to steal. I said that I justify to myself that I'm not a bad person for it because I'm not hurting anyone, or being hurtful to anyone, and what I do makes some people happy.

You say you're an asshole. I'm only agreeing with you. But you say that you can't be anything else, nobody can. I disagree with you there. You're only an asshole if you want to be. If you want to be better, you can be. Just as there are a lot of other people out there who try to be better.

I use the knowledge that nobody is perfect to excuse my imperfections, and to keep myself assured that it is worth the effort to at least try and be as good as I can be.

You use the knowledge that nobody is perfect to tell yourself that there's no reason to even try to be even somewhat decent. That doesn't make you a bad person, that just makes you someone who hasn't been shown that you CAN be better. Don't worry about not being perfect. But at least try to be something better than you're being right now.

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at 23 May 2006: 17:39

>>56

Credibility and assholism have nothing to do with each other stink pancer.  And if you wanted to change me, you wouldn't throw my words in my face cause it obviously doesn't work.  You just want to make yourself sound smart.

"I steal, but I don't hurt anyone. I make people happy."  O rly?  So Robin Hood, I guess that makes you a thief and a liar.

>>54
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.  Hey I'm nice to, to people I feel like being nice to.  I'm an asshole to people I don't like though.

You seem decent enough.  I'll leave you alone.

>>55
Out on the scene today,
blasted in every way,
got you - caught on the other side,
some things you just can't hide.
Feel the - poison of change in me,
all that I'll ever be,
comes back - crashing on into me...
Here it comes again!

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Juberu at 23 May 2006: 18:35

>>42
Tell the author, not me. That comic has a comment system.

>>53
>Everyone I know, and know of is either a liar,
Check.

a thief, an arrogant bastard,

Sometimes, check.
a powerhungy and/or greedy jerk,

Check.
selectively ignorant, a hypocrite, abusive, a manipulative prick,

Sometimes, check.
intolerant...

And check.
usually a whole bunch of them.

(Yes, I'm talking about me.)
>>54
I'm not addressing the main point here, because I am not interested in furry art to start with,

So you're here just for /dis/?

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Wolfblade at 23 May 2006: 22:59

>>57 "Credibility and assholism have nothing to do with each other"

Exactly. The two are mutually exclusive. You can't mix both.

"And if you wanted to change me, you wouldn't throw my words in my face cause it obviously doesn't work."

Its worked more effectively than anything else any time I've managed to make any change at all. You can believe me or not, but so long as you keep talking to me, I'm gonna keep responding if I think it might get anywhere.

""I steal, but I don't hurt anyone. I make people happy."  O rly?  So Robin Hood, I guess that makes you a thief and a liar."

I still haven't denied that drawing fanart is stealing, and I'm not lying. My pictures make people happy. If you're calling me a liar for saying I don't hurt anyone, that's not a lie because I honestly believe it. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine, but that just makes me wrong, not a liar.

"You seem decent enough.  I'll leave you alone."

See? You're not a complete asshole.

>>58 Only directed it at you since posting something that way generally indicates that it expresses a statement you'd like to make. Sorry if you were just being random and it happened to appear topical.

and yeah, >>57, there will always be people who admit to being any or all of those things. MOST people are at least a few of them at one point or another, and alot of them at any given time you want to check. But not everyone is all of them all the time. And some people aren't any of them except for occaisionally. Its just up to you whether you wanna take the time to sort through the shit for the not-shit.

Or not. Your life.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 23 May 2006: 23:11

>>59

>>57 "Credibility and assholism have nothing to do with each other"

Exactly. The two are mutually exclusive. You can't mix both.


What?
No, what?
Did you just miss his point completely?

And they say I twist words.

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Svansfall at 24 May 2006: 03:36

>>58
"So you're here just for /dis/?"

That is correct.  I happen to find the discussions interesting to read.

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Juberu at 24 May 2006: 09:02

>>61
"Interesting" is not exactly what I'd use.

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at 24 May 2006: 15:19

>>59

"Exactly. The two are mutually exclusive. You can't mix both."

Ha ha ha, okay now you're just trying to be a dumb shit. If that were true, I wouldn't be able to tell the truth cause I'm an asshole!

"I steal, I make people happy, and I'm not hurting anyone! I'm not lying, I really believe it!"

Okay, so you're not a liar, you're fucking stupid. Congradulations, you steal shit to make you and your clique happy, and you don't want any grief so you don't let the people you stole from find out about it. You and every other thief.

Here, how about this. If you're bent on improving, try not being a thief.

"Or not. Your life."

Cool, you're starting to end your arguments the way I do.  You're coming around buddy.  Next step, look in the mirror and say "Yes I am an Asshole!"  Suddenly, that need to justify what you do will just evaporate.  Everything you do is justifiable, and you don't need to worry about change, cause you don't give a shit!

Basically, you get to do everything you do right now, except you won't have an ulcer about it when you're put on the spot.

Juberu! Keep it real buddy! Nice to see someone who ain't putting themselves on some sort of holy altar built for themselves.

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at 24 May 2006: 15:46

>>62
 It's what I would use.

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Svansfall at 25 May 2006: 02:20

>>63

It's not about holy altars.  Most people around me are more kind and helpful than I am.  They don't shout out that they are so nice and great, in fact I've never heard any of them mention it.  But they use their sparetime with working in societies, organizing events for other people, doing work for the environment, etc... without any kind of personal gain except that it makes them happy to do it.

I'm doing my best to also be helpful and kind, but it doesn't mean I believe I am better than anyone else.  I am only doing a tiny bit, and so many other people are doing so much more.  But the least everyone can do is to try.

It's just saddening to me to see that some people have given up on doing their best to treat others around them with respect, and justifying it with saying: "I am asshole, so it doesn't matter what I do."

Why not try to treat people with respect?  Why give up?

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at 25 May 2006: 02:51

>>65

Alright, serious answer then. Cause if you give a shit, you get hurt. I could work hard my whole life to try to make the world a better place, and for what? So people like asswipe and his buddy up there can steal more comfortably? Fuck no! My dad went that way. Last words he said to me: "I fought in a war, watched a friend die, and worked hard for forty years to buld this country, and the little bastards burn the flag and bitch about their rights." That's the last thing he said to me before he ended up in the hospital.

I tell you this, cause you actually seem to be surious about why instead of showing me up. It don't justify what I do, but it's a reason. I fucking hate "The world should be this way" whining shits! They act like they've got it all figured out, and they moan and bitch, then hide behind laws that better men made. People don't die in wars so you can look at fucking fetish porn, and people don't become cops and get shot at so you can hide behind a bunch of laws to protect you right to steal.

But hey, those laws work both ways. I eventually figured that out, and life got simpler. I spent years worrying about shit that doesn't matter. The country sucks, the world sucks, my dad and a lot of hard working folks sweated their whole lives to build something, and when people aren't bitching about how things could be better, they're bitching about how unfair everything is. That's it too. They get on their computers, and they come up with these ridiculous fuckign solutions to all of lifes problems, and they act like that makes them something.

So yeah, I'm a dick, but I'm better then they are, so as far as I'm concerned, the whole world has a lot of changing to do before I need to worry about it, cause right now, I'm gold. I'm rude, but I'll respect your stuff, help you when the stops are pulled, and even though nobody really deserves it anymore, I'd fight and die for these rights everyone's abused. But I don't have to like them, and I don't respect wordy little shits who probably think hard work is customer service or doodling or some shit.

Fuck, this'll be my last post here though. I'm not cool with the whole genuine emotion on a furry board shit.

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Xenofur at 25 May 2006: 07:00

just a sidenote:

Cause if you give a shit, you get hurt.

As far as i am concerned this contains a little piece of truth, but still is a very big misconception. I can very much relate to what you're trying to say, what with me dropping countless hours into this without getting much in return(i'm not particularly interested in the porn). But: The real point is that you get hurt when you go into things with wrong expectations.

The wrong expectation that many people do have and which has also struck one of our moderator team? "What we are doing here will have a definite result and every dialogue we invest time in will lead to a good solution."

I don't know how people see me. I do know though what i am doing. Everytime i am approached, i try to be as polite, respectful and understanding as possible. With every situation i deal with i try to handle it so everyone involved is happy with the end result. Very often these efforts are for naught, for a very varied number of reasons, mostly tho because people are either dumb or being purposely assholes. Over the time that i was involved with fchan i have had many reasons and occasions where most sane people would have said "fuck it" and taken the whole thing down.

Why do i go onwards though? Because for every ten bad encounters there is one that plays out nicely. There is one person that i can help, that i can teach, whose problems i can solve. I accept that i cannot always do the right thing or be successful, but nothing will stop me from trying. I also don't do this for anyone, i don't do it for the people here, for my family or for my country, i do it for myself, for one simple reason:

I want to be treated politely, respectfully and with understanding. I realize that it will not happen with every person, but i know that for every good encounter there is one more person here that might act the same. If i were to give that up, if i were to treat every person exactly how my instincts, how my first thoughts tell me to, then i would also lose every right to ever be treated that way.

I'm not really sure where i'm going with this, i'm mostly rambling, but i think in short it might be this: It is not the sum of all things that is important, it is the sum of all things where you succeeded and where you were able to accept the outcome. Perhaps it is not, i don't know for sure...

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Aborn! at 11 Oct 2006: 14:41

Aborn! - No, may not interest us in your fine leather jackets.

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 11 Oct 2006: 16:39

The whole topic is tl;dr, so I'll summarise my thoughts in general.

I've seen questions asked about why people find the concept of anthros/zoomorphs so appealing. The most common answer is "they're sexy" and that's that. While I may not agree with it since I'm in it for the imagination fodder, I noticed that a lot of work from the fandom, even at the dawn of it when the usenet is still the hot topic contains a lot of suggestive themes that in turn lure people into the fandom which propagate the same. As the fandom grows, the envelope is pushed further and further; Back then, the most racy stuff in the fandom is plain old vanilla porn. Now, it's extended to accomodate a wide variety of fetishes and kinks, from watersports, to BDSM, to tentacles, to herm.

So there's your answer, the most popular allure which started the whole ball going is the sexual undertones.

Personally, my whole stance of the porn in the fandom is pretty neutral...if it's badly drawn, or if the subject matter is too horrific, I'd show disgust. If it's well-drawn, I'd applaud the skill presented. Although my GF has a good point in saying that it's a waste of talent and skill. What's the point of flirting with the concept of an alternate set of anthropomorphic races if the only appeal in it sexual? :P

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stevefarfan at 11 Oct 2006: 19:48

Lets be realistic, since there is porn on literally everything, don't take it personally when somebody draws porn of your character.

What you can do is write a description of how your character is on your website and draw a picture of what your character normally wears.  By creating this bio, most people will understand that your character isn't a porn star(or is a porn star, depending).

This will help you out and save stress.

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Bizzle at 12 Oct 2006: 16:37

>>69  "What's the point of flirting with the concept of an alternate set of anthropomorphic races if the only appeal in it sexual? :P"

Porn is like candy--it doesn't have to have a purpose.

>>70  That's good advice in my estimation.  All good things have porn made about them, from Sesame Street to The Colbert Report.  You may even take it as a sign that you've "made it" so to speak, sort of like a musician who has his hit single parodied by Wierd Al.

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at 15 Oct 2006: 03:13

incase anyone cares..

furry porn can also be like a fetish, not just some "fantasy world". for example, furry porn turns me on like nothing else, but the whole furry community just weirds me out. no offense or anything. i just dont get it and i can never get into it.

i have also met several people, a few of them from here, who are just like me. theyre in it for the porn.

theres your answer. people are horny. plain and simple.

(why did it take 72 replies before someone finally said the obvious?)

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Aborn! at 15 Oct 2006: 08:02

Aborn! - Spamming is bad, mmkay?

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FauxFurry at 16 Oct 2006: 02:46

I just saw this topic and just felt like putting in on this just for fun. No, the so-called Furry fandom isn't any more sexual than any other fandom, they just tend to stick out more. I dare you to try to read all of the Star Trek Slash fiction in even a year's time. The number of Naruto porn pictures alone gives the whole FF a run for it's money in terms of volume. There are scads of porn parodies of popular fiction all over the place, a few of which well known artists such as Robert Crumb have drawn. Just go to Gamespot's forum to see how often guys go on about how hot the Dead or Alive girls are or go to 4chan to see nudes of said girls. I could go on and on. The only difference is that people know the fandom associated with Anthropomorphic animals/Beast People through the sexuality because everything non-sexual isn't associated with the Fandom. Most videogamers don't look at StarFox or Animal Crossing as 'furry'. Hell, until 2000, I didn't even know the fandom existed even though I occassionally drew anthros myself inbetween all of the humans, aliens and robots I drew. I had been calling them Funny Animals like most folk or Beast People like they were called in old myths and The Island of Doctor Moreau, one of the things that got me interested in alternative forms of sapience in the first place. Nature Documentaries are what got me interested in their sexual side even when depictions of it weren't readily available to me (since I didn't have a PC yet). The people who made the Blacksad graphic novels international best-sellers, even with the sexual content, and the comics luminaries such as Stan Lee, Jim Steranko and Joe Kubert who heaped superlative praises upon it weren't bugged with the Animal People at all. Still, most of what the fandom has to offer these days just doesn't have the depth of the old Comix which had hardcore sexual content, focusing solely on sex without it being used in context of a story, even if it is to illustrate how unashamed beast folk are with sex to create a contrast with the prudishness of many 'Westernized' humans. Yes, I agree on the point that, while their sexuality is interesting (granted that it isn't just regular old human sex wrapped up in a furry package), it isn't the only thing to consider. For example,a predator's moral code would by necessity conflict with an herbivore's moral code but both would have overlaps between various human moral codes. A species with beautiful fur and skin might resent clothing as much as human nudists but only think about sex in situations set aside specifically for sex, just like human nudists. There's so much potential out there but most of the folk in the fandom are in it because the distinction between Furry and mainstream sci-fi/fantasy fandom that includes zoanthropes is that it focuses on sex. It's like the difference between a Dungeons and Dragons Roleplayer and a Cosplay Sexual Roleplayer or a gamer who plays God of War and the one who plays Playboy: the Mansion. (Sometimes it's the same person at different times, hanging out with a different group of friends). Some fandoms which are off-shoots of others tend to specialize in either the sexual side or the hyper-violent side such as the afforementioned Slash Fiction writing women or the guys who can't get enough killing Jar-Jar Binks. If many of the fans just cleared it up for folks that most of them are in it just for fun, not a lifestyle, any special stigma will be removed. Not all stigma, mind you. There's always room for stigma on fetishes in general.It's just a snack, not the whole diet. That kind of thing. Ultimately, it's on the artists for playing to a niche crowd instead of upping their game to the point where even the major players in the entertainment industry had to recognize their skills and whatever commentary they have on society, including sexual mores, in their work as they did for Robert Crumb (Multiple Eisner Awards among others attest to that), Dave Sim, Stan Sakai (though all of his stuff is kid-frindly), Reed Waller, Kate Worley and the team of Juan Diaz Carnales and Guarnido. Oh! I almost forgot Pulitzer-prize winner Art Spiegelman! Even sexually explicit live action human fare such as Shortbus can draw critical applause. The fans wouldn't need to change a bit if guys like Doug Winger, Gideon,Ken Sample (who I first learned about through Amazing Heroes#129, the Special Funny Animal Issue, a spotlight on artists and writers who work or worked on books involving zoanthropes and the fanzine Rowrbrazzle)and Max Blackrabbit stepped up to fill the shoes of the legendary Comix artists of the 1960s which briefly created an illustrated storytelling renaissance. I know that they can do it. Even I've done so on a small scale in Galveston. Noone ever thumbed their noses at my work invoving zoanthropes because it was too good for them to do so and my work had a point to make. Even the big Herm Chimera that I sculpted was about the theme of repulsion and attraction, civility and beastliness (the shoes and nail polish along with the wild hair, lolling reptilian tongue and the big red hard-on ought to be a dead give away...right?). That and I gave them some variety. 'Furries' today, Pope vesus Anti-Pope another, Alien eating assorted Earth creatures for breakfast on another day. Still, my skills might not be up to snuff with these guys. They leave me in awe, at least from a technical perspective. Maybe if they started off doing their own renditions of the classics such as The Island of Doctor Moreau, the original uncut occassionally highly sexual Reynard the Fox, and Coyote the trickster god's tales, they could gradually find a more mature way to use sexuality as just another aspect of storytelling in a visual medium rather than the only trick without resorting to the G-rated fare for children that the 20th century ushered in...well, for most peoples. Some of the Native American tales still get pretty racy. You can't be subversive and groundbreaking and all that (or be recognized as such)if you stay to yourselves, guys. Well, that's enough. I've got stuff to make. I'll have to be sure that at least one of my projects has me pracicing what I'm preaching to those with more visual know-how than I do. That kinda makes both of my current projects about some kind of minority group in alternate timelines. Nifty.
Oh, yeah, before I go, I have to be a bit of a jerk, too. Nice guys finish last and all that rot. I'm not going to be available to check any replies. That was never the plan. It's just a rant for you to ponder. Isn't that just devilish?

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at 16 Oct 2006: 03:32

wall of text, much?

tl,dr

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stevefarfan at 16 Oct 2006: 10:23

I think having the full range of possiblities allows art to have more flavor and meaning.  Limiting a story to just porn hurts the adult industry.  Likewise, limiting a story to family friendly subject matter hurts that story.

So many times I've seen a comic, game or cartoon that could have been great, but they were forced to hold back.

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at 17 Oct 2006: 01:00

>>74
i have accidentally opened binary executables in vi that are more readable than that.

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Falcon at 17 Oct 2006: 22:07

Fandom is an over-encompassing term. Within it are those who
love a specific style/story/character(s) of a cartoon, those who
partake in a large community of chatroom friends to roleplay, as
well as those who can't say they're either gay or straight as a
truthful answer because, while their friends were stroking to
Daisy Duke, they wanted Bugs Bunny.

Didn't Mister Rogers teach us all we're all a little different,
living together, just one big bag of mixed nuts! :)

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Havoc at 18 Oct 2006: 07:47

>>74
The paragraph is your friend.

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Falcon at 18 Oct 2006: 20:14

That was a lot of commas.

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at 19 Oct 2006: 00:40

This thread is in 4chan, threadstop please

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at 3 Nov 2006: 09:36

I can't believe we get comment spam here.

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at 3 Nov 2006: 10:55

Old thread is OLD!!

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Gravecat at 3 Nov 2006: 19:57

>>84 It's inevitable, really. But we usually ban anyone spamming crap like that.

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