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Echoen at 16 May 2006: 19:29

Was the Challenged Furs thread, in /a, vaporized? It's not even there anymore. The artist was very good, and the subject matter was /a, so it fit.
If it was, it was. I'd at least like to get into contact with the artist.

I uphold my right to my enjoyment of /a porn, and to enjoy looking at happy, sweet, apparently pleased down-syndrom girls.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 16 May 2006: 19:31

Raven nuked it. It belongs in /ah/ due to the subject matter.

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Echoen at 16 May 2006: 19:59

He could have just moved it, or at least left a little note...

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shii at 16 May 2006: 20:41

thread moving is difficult, the software is set up by making 1 installation per board.

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Raven at 16 May 2006: 21:40

I can't move threads. Literally. The software won't let me. And I don't always leave notes on threads that don't belong at all, usually because people will sometimes come by and just start posting again. Not to mention that it is taking up space that another thread could use.

The subject matter you presented is something new to the forums. We've never had to deal with such a things before. But based upon what it is, and that similar things are put in /ah, that is my current decision on the matter. Xeno can feel free to approve or reject this, but he's asleep at the moment, so I can't very well ask him right now.

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Nova at 16 May 2006: 22:55

I thought it was cute and seemed to fit in /a, however the backlash was a pain to deal with. So it might not garner as much backlash in /ah where "wierd" is allowed.

Here is hoping he posts it again in /ah.

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The Infamous Boss Reo at 16 May 2006: 23:17

Ironically, it sounds like it would be a very retarded thread.

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at 16 May 2006: 23:47

>>5
Personally I agree with the decision, since they have mature bodies only.
Anyone play Guilty Gear? Dizzy is smokin' hot but she's mentally three years old. The difference is she'll eventually grow into that body.
This is providing that I read the original comment and took Reo's comment the right way. :>

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at 17 May 2006: 00:49

I thought she was cute, but not in a sexy kind of way - it would have been better if she wasn't nude.  Maybe give her a happy little outfit and post her in /c/?

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Downfox at 17 May 2006: 16:58

Seeing the replies I had, I am unwilling to post anything more of the subject. I refuse to present my art side by side with the horrid stuff that /ah is full of.

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at 17 May 2006: 23:30

You should at least make a site or something.  Don't be elitist.

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at 18 May 2006: 07:50

While I didn't see the thread involved, I don't quite understand why mentally handicapped people having sex should go in /a/, provided that it's consensual.  There's nothing illegal or even unnatural going on.

Person 1:  "Ew, I don't want to wallow in that massive pile of shit."
Person 2:  "Don't be so elitist!"

Pure comedy gold, right there.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 08:03

Look. It was all a mordid joke, and you guys ate it all up like apple pie. I had my laugh, but now I'm just depressed about all of you.

Those pictures would have passed as regular nudes to all of you, if I hadn't mentioned the disability, save for the queer eye the other girl had. It's not that they look much retarded - it's the fact that you guys started to like the idea.

What's wrong with you guys? Seriously?

You find it sexually attractive that a person is as dumb as a bucket?

The basic idea of the thread was to bring forth a subject that would be considered as a taboo, and seeing how you reacted to it. In my small mind I hoped that you would agressively reject such a silly subject, but I was wrong.

What's wrong with it is not just about this one subject. What's happened to just being normal? You guys are digging your own grave of social unacceptance and complaining about it all the time. Isn't being furry enough? You have to have every other kink as well, and if not, then you'll still aggressively support it, even if you don't like it.

You have come a long way from reality.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 08:12

I was going to introduce a whole array of new fetishes, like a fetish for furs with cancer etc. just to sound a wake up call for all of you sick-os out there, but I've decided against it.

Because you would simply adopt them.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 08:21

Btw. did anyone get the joke about the shallow end of the pool? In the second picture where the girl is standing in water with her cooter just barely under the surface.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 18 May 2006: 08:28

You failed the speak on those who -did- find it unsettling and rejected it. It's nice however to see a troll who pretty much proves what's wrong with furry using his/her own art skills.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 08:30

Yes, I am happy that some of us didn't jump on the bandwagon of "tolerate all or else". Those people can feel good about themselves for a good reason.

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at 18 May 2006: 08:35

tl;dr:
It's not wrong for the disabled to have sex.

It's wrong to find them sexy because of their disability.

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at 18 May 2006: 08:41

And even if that is just an arbitrary moral standard that has no other reason to exists, than just because it is, 99.99999% of the humanity still follows it.

And that's why furries will never be a respectable group - anywhere. We are just intentionally too damn weird.

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Echoen at 18 May 2006: 09:06

Downfox, I..... *shakes head* No, just, no. You're getting angry with us for being tolerant of other's possible fetishes. Because we didn't reject something, you try to convict us as wrongful. I can't possibly see your reasoning behind that. You completely ignore the people who complimented your work, throwing them in with who you call garbage. You tell us that liking an idea is wrong, because you feel it's wrong.
One of the whole bases of furdom is the acceptance. Your replies and comments are based on the complete opposite, it makes me just want to kick you out. Of COURSE you were wrong about us reacting the way you wanted; aggressive rejection. We furs know tolerance, acceptance, and reasoning. You wanted us to show anger, rejection, and irrationality. How could you.
Just being normal? Downfox, FURRIES ARE NORMAL. We have everyday lives and thoughts, and behind it all, we're people. As long as we can think and learn, we are more normal than most other people. Normal people reason with things. Normal people can learn to accept and enjoy anything they want to.
But that next line.... get the fuck out. 'Social unnacceptance'? a LOT of what's wrong with the world today is based on this fucking STUPID idea of social acceptance! Women objectify themselves, throw their money away, and accept being treated as sextoys and not human based around the entire idea of social acceptance. What you're effectivly saying is that they should, because that is normal. That we should be elitist, sell-outs, rejectionists, racists, sexists, and aggressivly reject anything and everything we don't like. And you say that if we don't defend other's rights to think how they want to think, we're far flung from reality. Get the fuck out of this community.
Not only all this, but you're again trying to convict us in >>14? Because we don't share your viewpoint and hate the things you hate, we're sickos? How in the holy hells were you raised to adopt such IDIODIC convictions? Of course we'd adopt them. We're educated enough to know something about acceptance and tolerance.
And for that last comment.... I don't even have to comment much on it. You are happy with those that hate, bash, flame, argue, and refuse to be tolerant of others that like different things. You think that destructive people like that should be happy with themselves, and not only that, you think they are RIGHT?
GET THE FUCKING HELL OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY! There's a limit to tolerance, and when you go around spouting such pro-hate and pro-rejection statements, you cross WAY over the line.

I love your art, and hate your guts.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 18 May 2006: 09:34

Echoen, your mindset is largely what's wrong with the fandom. (IMHO) Too much freaking "tolerance, acceptance and..so called reasoning." And why furry will most likely never rise up from the dregs, why their will allways be infighting and why people will always be welcomed with opened arms, no matter what the disfuntion is. Most other fandoms draw a line and disown those who step over it, but in furry, I find that line getting set on fire and leapt over ever the more. Nadia, or any furry who was around in the 80's could atest to this, I think.

Your agurement is also flawed in areas, but I find myself without the proper tools to disarm it. Maybe someone else can.

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Echoen at 18 May 2006: 09:52

Would you prefer to be with a tolerant person, or an intolerant person? Would you prefer to talk with a thoughtful person, or an angry person? Would you prefer to spend time with someone who accepts you, or calls you a freak? Humans lean towards the former in every single case. It's only natural to want to be near positive influence, and stay away from negative. It's survival instinct. So, to say what you've said, and what Downfox says, contradicts that.
It's better that the line of acceptance be increased than to be decreased. Lead by example, don't lead by doctrine. Especially doctrine that is contrary to common reasoning.
And to that last part? Perhaps that's why you're not a moderator. You disagree with me, so you wish to remove what I said.
Just because you say my argument is flawed, doesn't mean it is.

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 18 May 2006: 10:00

>>23 "Prehaps that's why your not a moderator. You disagree with me, so you wish to remove what I said."

Go re-read what I said again and don't assume to tranlate my words into something else. If you've been paying attention, Raven, Xeno and Nadia dislike a LOT of things, but they don't nazi them.

And yes, your arguement IS flawed, but I am without the proper tools..words, expressions to show where is is.

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at 18 May 2006: 10:12

The point is: stop being such a total douchebag and behave once in a while, so people will accept you.

You don't have some godly right to annoy people just with your sheer presence, because YOU want to be a total weirdo and have people accept you as you were.

People get annoyed, irritated, bewildered and baffled by the things that the furry fandom represents and you're crying that they're at false.

It doesn't matter what moral codes you follow. If you want to lead a happy life in a society, you don't go stepping on your neighbor's toes - and he won't step on yours.

What your kind does, Echoen, is to gather round all the rejects and misfits and stuff them all into one big happy pot, where they won't be able to tolerate even each other most of the time. And you tell them that it's OK to be total douchebags, because it's their RIGHT to do so.

That's what's wrong. No limits, no rules, no peace.

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at 18 May 2006: 10:19

Societies will change. Gays will become normal, and even bestiality could in some weird scenario, but the point is that they're not normal or acceptable NOW.

Whenever you're trying to push it on people too hard, there will be a backlash and that's exactly what's happening. You're fueling the intolerance by ENFORCING tolerance.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 10:21

Forgot to put my name on those two posts.

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 10:27

And the question remains: why would I want to tolerate people like rapists, murderers and cannibals, or pedofiles and sadists?

They're all in there, albeint in fictional form, but they are people who draw sexual arousal out of things that would be considered illegal in just about every country on this planet.

Why should I like the idea?

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at 18 May 2006: 10:53

You people need to seperate two concepts:

ACCEPTANCE and TOLERANCE

The problem here is not that Downfox encountered tolerance. To tolerate it would have meant to perhaps comment on the art and otherwise just shut up. What he did encounter was that which is the fandom's problem:

ACCEPTANCE

The fetish was seen and accepted readily by those who wouldn't even have thought of it before. Without a second thought they accepted it as their OWN.

That is the overwhlming problem here...

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Downfox at 18 May 2006: 11:08

Thank you anonymous person. You put into words what I failed to.

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at 18 May 2006: 11:14

I caught the remains of the thread just before it went down and there was one comment that warmed my heart:

"You guys honestly feel this way or are you just collecting your own little Jesus points of tolerating every fuckin' perversion there is?"

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Raven at 18 May 2006: 17:32

>>29

This is well put. We here at Fchan do in no way accept many of the things in /ah. However, we tolerate them in order to avoid as much drama as possible without also having to betray our own beliefs and feelings. We won't hide what we think or our stance, but we also know that such art exists. We try our best to be fair about it, without making it seem like it's "all good." Because it's not. That was why the thread was removed. There isn't a big difference between the underage thing and someone who is retarded, not from the perspective of the average person.

While I do not agree with the huge fuss created or the "joke" that Downfox pulled, I'll leave the thread for people to discuss things in a civil manner. If that fails, the thread will close.

And Downfox, in the future, there are other ways in which to bring a topic to light. You could have posted in here and asked people for their opinions on this "fetish" without actually using deception in order to get your point across.

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at 18 May 2006: 18:44

On the acceptance and tolerance thing: I look at /a/ and /ah/ because I harbor one of the really squicky fetishes and fchan is one of the very few places I can find furry art of it. I accept and tolerate the fetish as nothing more than another form of fantasy porn. It's nothing that I would seriously want to perpetrate in real life, just fantasize about. That doesn't make me a rapist, murderer, cannibal, practicing pedophile or sadist. I don't believe anyone else posting or lurking on fchan is one either.

Most other fetishes don't arouse me, they look silly to me and are good for a laugh. Some I don't uderstand at all. A few genuinely squick me, but I tolerate them because I cant' be judgemental about another's fetish and I won't condemn another's arousal fantasy. And neither should you, because more are more people in the world than not who'd think that furry porn of any kind is pretty twisted and feel hostile towards it. They wouldn't hesitate to deride you for being into it. As arousal fetishes go, Fchan's rules allow all or none, as long as the imagery is furry and legal to view.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 18 May 2006: 19:08

>>29
You forgot one.
UNDERSTANDING
Understanding someone's position or statements is not the same as tolerating it, or accepting it. I'm tired, oh so tired, of it being misused here, and elsewhere. There is a difference between knowing how the engine works, riding the ship, and piloting it.

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at 18 May 2006: 20:05

>>32

Would you say that the method you suggested would have had an ignot of impact compared to what we have here as a result? Sometimes you need to show examples to get people to understand what exactly is it you're talking about, and sometimes you need to rub it in their faces to get the point across.

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You don't know. You have absolutely no idea that the fictional child porn loving friend of yours doesn't go around offering candy around the neighborhood while you're not watching. How could you know? There are always people who step over the line and these people generally try to avoid being caught, because most of them know they will get jailed for it.

What I'm getting at is: is it OK when we tolerate and sometimes even accept these people among us, where they can feel at home because we are saying they're just fine - by not saying anything against them?

Is it OK that we give people the opportunity to view such morally questionable material and enable the idea that it's OK to look at child pornography to spread?

Like I said. I could have started drawing the most degenerate and sick porn there is, but what I saw stopped me from doing that, because people like Echoen would have accepted it and began to encourage me to do more. He adopted the idea and even started to like it.

I'm not a big fan of slippery slope theories, because they're mostly false and applied in all the wrong places, but this is one of the places I do believe one is spot on.

There's child pornography readily available here -> people see the child pornography and think it's OK because nobody is stopping it -> *bang* you got another potential pedophile.

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at 18 May 2006: 20:12

I was a bit hurried there and missed a bit:

There's child pornography readily available here
->
people see the child pornography and think it's OK because nobody is stopping it
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Some people get used to and start to like child pornography
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You got another potential pedophile.

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at 18 May 2006: 20:32

With this practical experiment, I hope I have shown you all why exactly I think that:

a) Furries as a community should not openly accept or tolerate just every kind of fetish, kink or obsession.

For example. I don't personally even understand why some people like scat, or watersports, or vomiting, farting, oviposition, S&M, BDSM, etc. porn and erotica, but I am willing to tolerate all of them simply because there's quite little harm in shitting into someone's mouth, when the other person wants it.

But fetishes like snuff, vore, pedofilia, mutilation, rape and sadism baffle me completely and I don't understand WHY I or anyone else should want, or even need to tolerate such things, and why are they here, freely accessable to anyone.

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at 18 May 2006: 21:51

>>36 not real child pornography.

>>37  What about the majority of us who are sane enough not to practice snuff, vore, pedofilia, mutilation, rape and sadism? The stuff that baffles you gets others all turned on. People won't deny themselves thoughts and images of that which arouses them, and they can't be expected to.
These things ought to be shared discreetly if at all, so they are segregated to /ah/.

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at 18 May 2006: 22:39

wait...................

theres such a thing as retarded child furry porn???

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at 18 May 2006: 22:59

ok ive thought about it for a while.. i have to see this. not because im into kids or retards, but because i just cant believe retard porn exists. i once had a whole forum full of people looking all over the net for retard porn but no one found anything. its one of those things that just shouldnt exist.


post pics!!

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