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at 19 Jun 2006: 04:19

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Kkatman/Comics/FYI_141.jpg

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at 19 Jun 2006: 04:37

On the nose.

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at 19 Jun 2006: 14:16

It's amusing how so many people don't seem to know or understand this information.

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at 20 Jun 2006: 17:52

LOL, that's because it's bs.  Compared to every cartoon or anime type fandom furry is almost entirely porn driven.  Let's see, who are the popular artists?  Dr comet, karabiner, michele light, terry smith, EWS/tdk schwartz, adam wan.  All porn mongers.  Which is fine by me but your fooling yourself if you think furry isn't largely about the porn.

This "anti fandom" are just the normal people that don't want to be associated with child/dog fuckers since neither of those have anything to do with furry in the first place and are morally disgusting.  Being overly tollerant is worse than being intollerant

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at 20 Jun 2006: 18:09

>>4

Thank you, this needed to be said.

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at 20 Jun 2006: 20:31

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Yep.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 20 Jun 2006: 20:43

>>4

hich is fine by me but your fooling yourself if you think furry isn't largely about the porn.

I'd like to think it isn't, but I do agree that it's largely driven by porn.

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Speet! at 20 Jun 2006: 22:47

I'll be tolerant of your particular "sexuality, religion, fetishes, etc." if you'll be discreet in how you go about sharing it, lest you are perceived as representative of the fandom as a whole. A cumulative lack of discretion brought about the reputation that we endlessly bemoan and argue about. Continued indiscretion should not and will not be tolerated. Be mindful of others where and when such topics are shared.

Furry fandom is what we make it. Do we choose to make it "largely about the porn", or are we going to consider the bigger picture that can be painted with anthropomorphics? Seek out a broader range of furry content. Surely, sexuality has always been a core element of what makes "furry fandom" it's own thing, but it's never been the ONLY thing...unless it's the only thing for YOU.

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at 20 Jun 2006: 23:59

I don't see where this whole paranoia within the fandom about sexual deviancy has came from.

To me, it's been obvious since I got into furries about 7 years ago that it was totally porn driven, and without the porn and sex, there wouldn't be enough furries to put on your palm.

Of course, I'm tolerant of everything in real life too, and I came from an extremely tolerant community, family and friends so I really didn't see a lot of difference between the fandom and real life aside from it being focused almost solely on porn, whereas RL was...not so much so, many times bizarre sexual situations that could never happen in real life.

I've learned now that many artists draw to either parody something, or for sexual stress relief, so to speak(being able to do something that they want to IRL but know they can't). I don't see the problem in this, as long as the more extreme fetishes do jsut stay in art.

All this applies, like >>9 stated, if you stay out of my face about it. I quickly become annoyed with your "freedoms" if you shove them in my face, or make me look bad by prancing them around.


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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 21 Jun 2006: 00:33

>>10
See, here's where we differ. You claim the fandom is totally driven by porn. I can think of several furry artists who are in it just for the pretty pictures, with any erotic content secondary. Zeriara, Hibbary, Cotney, Hellcorpceo, und so weiter. In case you haven't been listening to the moderates in the fandom, furry=/= yiff.

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at 21 Jun 2006: 01:26

Heh. Heh. Heheheh. "More tolerant."

It never ceases to amuse me how so many furries like to delude themselves into thinking they're somehow better than everyone else.

Reality check: furries are no more tolerant than anyone else. In fact, furries have found entirely new ways to be intolerant. I've lost count of how many times I've been snubbed or insulted by furries because I'm not some certain species, or because I'm not into something they're into. (Good gods, emphasis on the last bit; tolerance includes respecting the wishes of people who don't want to be involved in certain things too, you know. I don't bash you for what you're into, don't give me shit for not being into it as well.)

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at 21 Jun 2006: 07:10

>>12

Right on! I find that the most intolerent people are the ones who are complain the most about others being intolerent of them.

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at 21 Jun 2006: 12:24

>>11

i never heard of them ,damn.

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at 21 Jun 2006: 16:17

Intolerance should never be tolerated :P

And the fandom, whatever it might be NOW, began based on the porn. Ask any of the artists who have been here since the early days (if you can find them, the newer generation has worked pretty tirelessly to run them off).

This comic IS correct. There IS porn in any fandom. Furry just doesn't hide it. If your fandom isn't obviously open to sexual deviancy, you're less likely to show off your she-male Spock porn (I've seen it). But since furry is totally open to porn, nobody holds any back.

This comic gets it absolutely right.

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at 21 Jun 2006: 23:21

>>11


Well, I've never heard anyone mention their names, which just strengthens the point that if you want to be a "somebody" artist in the furry fandom, you gotta draw porn.

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GrapeTang#90uMe5dJAk at 22 Jun 2006: 05:21

>>13

Nah, Furries aren't so much intolerant as xenophobic (or a reverse, whatever). We don't take kindly to outsiders and all that. Any bashing from outside the fandom is met with hostility, and some of the loud ones have this weird delusion that furries are persecuted. If that's true, I wouldn't know. I've never been forced to sit in the back of a bus or anything like that, so if we're being persecuted, it's some damn gentle persecution.

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Juberu at 22 Jun 2006: 08:52

>>15
I could've sworn the fandom started drawing the likes of Bugs Bunny.

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at 22 Jun 2006: 16:04

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from one of the original organizers of the first furry con and the days before heavy porn and sex:

"
I don't know when it happened, but one day, someone (...) decided that "furry" fandom had everything in the world with Sexuality. This assertion, when first stated, struck myself an many other fans, as ridiculous- laughable. So much so, in fact, that we didn't acknowledge the threat that this idea posed.... Starting with ConFurence 3 (...), fandom changed forever. A certain individual with a presence on (...) "furrymuck", decided to extend free invitations to ConFurence to anyone who had a character on FurryMuck... (...)
They were, for the most part, people whose presence on furrymuck was purely of a sexual nature. When these people came to CF3, they brought their interests with them- whips, dog collars, condoms, chains, and S&M relationships began to be more plentiful than comics at ConFurence."

--Eric Blumrich, Aug 27, 1998

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at 23 Jun 2006: 03:47

Behold the man that advertized furry to every sexual interset out there... the one that opened the flood gates of sexuality into the fandom

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/gallery/images/merlino.jpg

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Speet! at 23 Jun 2006: 11:59

I asked some reputable sources to provide some corrobarating evidence of the "advertisements" aimed at attracting people to ConFurence for the sexuality, but no one seems to have saved any copies, not even a page out of the L.A. Weekly. I can only consider the advertising to be hearsay until someone without a reputation for being a bullshitter comes forward with an eyewitness account.

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at 23 Jun 2006: 12:44

i keep seeing this over and over and it seems there is a certain section that thinks where the fandomn is going to explody die because of where it is heading, and or that there should effectivly be some form of overlord? guidance, whatnot, saying what is and isnt acceptable.
I'm pretty firmly of the opion its far to late to attempt to seriously change a fandomn that is attracting newcombers at a healthy rate, most of which very well dont fit within the idea of "insert name of furs who want wholesome image"

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 23 Jun 2006: 15:36

>>22

guidance, whatnot, saying what is and isnt acceptable.

You can say it all you like. No one has to listen to you. It's part of the winderful free speech that lets the fandom exist in the first place.

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at 23 Jun 2006: 17:48

>>21
everything mentioned was taken from early fandom organizers, when it was more like sci-fi with a bit of porn, but now its like a porn fandom with people desperately trying to keep cons from becoming all out orgies

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at 23 Jun 2006: 17:59

>>23 precicely my point, thank you for saying that crassly insteadly of politely.

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Juberu#3LrT5NRVks at 23 Jun 2006: 19:35

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Direct =/= crass.

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at 23 Jun 2006: 19:57

fair fair direct doesent equal crass, *bows*  we still said the same thing tho.

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