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Racism in the furry community?

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Foxstar#3GqYIJ3Obs at 6 Oct 2006: 14:12

The idea of people being anti-black in furry amuses me as a number of artists, and very good artists are black. Such as Fel, Shawntae, Max, Fred Perry, Soulfox (Not really in furry but eh).

I've never seen seen a racist comment against any of em, but that's me.

>>7 "Is it just me or do fur characters  seem to relate to various ethnicities"

It's just you. And I guess Jay Naylor. And >>8, but how can you see a fur's race as anyway related to ethnic heritage is beyound me.

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Bizzle at 6 Oct 2006: 15:35

>>9  I think what >>7 is talking about is artists giving their furry characters an ethnic background.  That's what I was talking about anyway.

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at 6 Oct 2006: 15:54

What, wait, there's black people on the internet?  Oh noes!!  Shit, I never knew...  It's so hard to tell, now what'll I do?  :(

Seriously, though, I think the lack of race issues (unless they're made blatant, and are thus obviously the result of extremist stupidity) on the internet is one of the greatest things about it.  I could go join some white supremist website whether I'm white or not, and nobody would ever know. 

Likewise, I could go out of my way to make my typed 'voice' seem as 'black' (or hispanic, or japanese, etc.) as I wanted and nobody would ever know if I was actually black, or just fgucking around, or both.  It's great.  :)

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at 6 Oct 2006: 16:36

If it's the recent racist attacks over at lulz that you're talking about, those aren't furries. Those are 4chan invaders.

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peppermint rhino at 6 Oct 2006: 22:11

What i meant by >>7 was that it seems sometimes that a character has an ethnicity wether theyre black, white, or hispanic. its not a bad thing at all just something i pick up on with different characters. I just didnt kno if i was the only one who nocited it or not. and btw, >>9 apparently other people pick up on it as well. >>10, u hit the nail on the head.

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Dragoneer#ZwUtbaILG. at 7 Oct 2006: 19:38

Sadly, racism is a part of the "human condition". I just kind of point my finger and laugh at those ignorant folk.

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Aikon at 8 Oct 2006: 02:27

^^ Exactly, it's not just the fandom it's anywhere.  and to echo others I really don't see that much racism in the fandom?  I'm not being ignornant it's just I don't see it. 

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at 8 Oct 2006: 22:32

Just went to a ren faire over the weekend, and one of the people I was with thought it was weird that there weren't that many black people at the faire.  We immediately turned around and counted at least 15 in less than a minute.  While they did not break the ratio even by any means, it doesn't mean there weren't black people interested in the faire atmosphere... there are just a larger number of caucasian people IN GENERAL in this country.  THe only funny thing was a passer-by who interjected and said "it's actually because all of us white people are fucking crazy," which is kinda true too.

Same can be said for the furry community.  There are a larger number of caucasian people in general, and therefore more to be exposed to the fandom.  I'll admit I was surprised to learn Max, Fossa (she draws sexy herms *drool*), Fel, and Kalvin Taylor (not only furry, but anime fan and a gamer to boot) were black, but only because I'm as sheltered as most of the other people out there and it didn't simply occur to me. *shrug*
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just read >>12 and laughed..  yeah, if that's what sparked this, then forget everything.  There's no race issue in the furry community, that's just 4chan oozing into other websites.  I don't like racism, but at the same time, we're all human and subsequently all have SOME prejudices, regardless of how insignificant.... and as such, 4chan is fucking funny as hell if you can get off your politically correct high-horse.
I'MMA CHARGIN MA LAZOR!
I'm sorry, I don't speak gookanese.
etc etc, the list goes on.. get over it.

And yeah, this; "Are they mad cuz black furs tend to be the most normal" was racist- but just in general because it's attaching an unbased claim of personality/status to a specific race. We're all equally sane or messed up, none more or less than another.

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at 9 Oct 2006: 01:46

this has more to do with racial culture. More white folks are exposed to this kinda thing more than the black folks for many reasons, one being that among much of black youth, sitting and staring at the monitor for hours isn't high on the list of fun activities.

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Kuro at 9 Oct 2006: 02:00

I'm glad nobody's latched onto this yet, it gives me a chance:

Everyone's all up in arms when someone mentions the somewhat embarassing behavior of the way-too-openly homosexual furs, but hey, that's cool...at least they're not black, right?

So, OP's embarassed by the "way-too-openly homosexual furs" (a phrase which by its very wording suggests there is such a thing as being "too open" about one's sexuality) but goes on to decry other people for phantom racism that nobody here has ever seen.

If you're a racist, GTFO and grow up.

If you're a homophobe...  GTFO and grow up.

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Spear Graff at 9 Oct 2006: 06:27

Black people steal my bandwidth.

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SuperSeoul at 9 Oct 2006: 06:30

Sage for oversensitivity. After all, racism and homophobia is the stupidest hobby for anyone to have.

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at 9 Oct 2006: 08:56

Fuck it. Get a tally of all people in attendence and compare that ratio to the list of minoritys in the states. I am sure the ratio will be similar.

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at 9 Oct 2006: 22:42

>>18
'deal with it' goes both ways you know. So what if he is annoyed by flamers? I am too, doesn't mean I want them out of the fandom. You're going to have to accept people have different degrees of the same opinion.

didn't you watch that episode of southpark with big gay al as the scoutmaster? *snerk*

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Kuro at 12 Oct 2006: 12:24

>>22

No.  No, see, that's stupid.

I'm not going to be tolerant of intolerance.  And I'm certainly not going to be tolerant of hypocrisy.  If you're going to be intolerant, and if you're at the SAME TIME going to criticize others for being intolerant, I'm gonna call you out on it.

By the way, "GTFO" doesn't mean "get the fuck out of the fandom," it means "get the fuck off" which is much more temporary.  I don't hope this person leaves the fandom, I hope they grow up so they can better accept it and then return.

And for the record, Parker and Stone are absolute idiots when it comes to politics, ethics, and social/economic issues.

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stevefarfan at 12 Oct 2006: 12:39

I don't want to make any generalizations about a race, because none would be true.  I say race doesn't make a difference.  Art is art,  and if the art is great- respect the artist for making it.

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at 12 Oct 2006: 12:41

>>23
*stares at what was said for a while* ..... * .....
wait you are also saying (exact quote) "I'm not going to be tolerant of intolerance" (paraphraised call it strawmanning if you so wish) "I'm intolarnt and I wont change that but I refuse to allow others to be intolerant"
It seems you are doing exactly what you say the other guy is doing  with the following comment (exact quote) " And I'm certainly not going to be tolerant of hypocrisy.  If you're going to be intolerant, and if you're at the SAME TIME going to criticize others for being intolerant, I'm gonna call you out on it." umn does anyone else see the issue there ?
Couger.

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at 12 Oct 2006: 13:23

>>25
No issue at all. "I'm quite tolerant in general- up to a point. There are, however, things beyond the pale. One of those things are those who are intolerant of otherwise normally tolerable things and who exercise hypocrisy."

An example: you don't have to love, say, Tahitians. You can actually dislike them all you want. However, you do have to tolerate them (at least in our society) and exhibit at least a minmal degree of politeness and fairness when dealing with them. As long as they're behaving within the constraints of law, it should be live and let live, despite all their suckling pig barbeques and pineapple sucking ways. In fact, most people will tolerate your dislike of them- up to a certain point.

That point is exceeded when you exhibit +no+ tolerance for them and start doing things like burning a pinapple on their front lawn, threatening them with death unless they all go back to their island and otherwise no longer tolerate them at least minimally.

That's when the people that were tolerant of your dislike of Tahitians- if they're any supporter of the concept of fairness and justice- will stop tolerating +your+ behavior.

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Kuro at 12 Oct 2006: 15:51

No, saying that I'm intolerant of intolerance and hypocrisy is not the same as saying I'm intolerant of black people or intolerant of gay people.  Why?

Because you have control over your intolerance and hypocrisy.  Gay people, black people, they don't have control over that.  You're CHOOSING to be an intolerant asshole.  You're CHOOSING to be a hypocrite.  And, as you're making that choice, you get to face the consequences of that choice.

Furthermore, Joe Schmoe being gay doesn't hurt you.  It doesn't affect you at all.  Neither does Jane Doe being black.  But your being intolerant, of certain races, or certain sexualities, or whatever the hell you're intolerant of?  That does hurt people, it does affect people.

I've been accused, in the past, of being a racist-ist.  And y'know what?  I am.

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 13 Oct 2006: 02:00

There's too much damn sensitivity amongst the fandom, I mean...why would I give a shit if some faceless internet person called me a spic? OH NOES!11

Being indignant towards racism shows pride in racial heritage and thus is equally as racist as the person saying said racist remark. Thus making the race-card players just as much racist as the KKK, the funny part is...the race-card players could never seem to get it.

Moral of story : Racism can only exist as long as there's still people who care about it. With that said, I can conclude that the only way to combat racism is...racial indifference. So yeah, stop giving a shit about the racist jokes slung about in the internet, or the real world because, they're all uh...jokes or bait to trap the true racists.

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Bizzle at 13 Oct 2006: 11:43

>>28  "There's too much damn sensitivity amongst the fandom, I mean...why would I give a shit if some faceless internet person called me a spic? OH NOES!11"

Indeed, there is too much sensitivity amongst the population in general.  There is no good reason that the contrary opinion of an ignorant fool should bother anyone.  It's not as though their saying it makes it any more true, so they ultimately do no harm except to the perception that others have of them.  Why attempt to correct them?  Let them wallow in their stupidity while we enjoy the ironic humor inherent in their claims of genetic superiority.

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at 13 Oct 2006: 19:58

when the harm comes is when many join in then it promptly escalates into stones being thrown and randomn beatings or being doused in gas then the inevitable lit match. while not nearly as commen as it used to be, it still happens ocasionally.
having grown up in a small redneck community with indians in town I got to personally see such episodes as a child.
there is the great potential for harm, and apathy is not a valid responce in certain situations.

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Bizzle at 14 Oct 2006: 09:33

>>30  That is true.  Living in Seattle, it's easy to forget that that sort of thing actually still happens.  I remember when I got sent to my first base in northern Florida.  Talk about a shock.  Visit some of the little towns around that area, and it'll feel like you've stepped back in time.

So are you from Montana then?  I was born there, although I haven't been back in many, many years.  From what my father tells me (he is an Indian) that's kind of how it was there.

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at 14 Oct 2006: 10:08

origionally myrtle creek or - my indian side is cuel attallah
also known as jauninee. they stem from the la basin  area - the crap i witnessed was against the cow creek tribe in myrtle creek.

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Joan-Michele#LczDsoiSfY at 14 Oct 2006: 11:53

>>30
Neither is hate. A situation where someone can get hurt over such a thing is a good time as ever to fight in self-defense. Indifference and foiling racists' attempts to inflict harm on their brethren are NOT mutually exclusive.

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Bizzle at 14 Oct 2006: 13:06

Myrtle Creek, Oregon?  I wouldn't have imagined it.  I thought that the only people that Oregonians didn't like were Californians!  But seriously though, there's no place on Earth that is entirely free of assholes.

I'm not familiar with the Cuel Attallah.  Were they a Plains tribe or a Coastal tribe?

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at 14 Oct 2006: 17:00

bizzle when I get a chance I will check in tribal history in more detail- this weekend is insane busy.

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Fox Lee #vQjAI2qoik at 14 Oct 2006: 19:15

>>21 Fuck it. Get a tally of all people in attendence and compare that ratio to the list of minoritys in the states. I am sure the ratio will be similar.

Ur, how about minorities across the internet, more realistically? The furry fandom is no more entirely North-American than it is entirely caucasian. I've never even thought to wonder if a given artist is black or not, mostly because I come from Australia, and the only time I've ever met an African-American person (I say that because "black" might be confused with aboriginal) was at a con in America.

Otherwise, I agree with you. I'm just saying that there's probably an even higher relative percentage of caucasians in the fandom than the US statistics would indicate.

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Dogsbody at 15 Oct 2006: 11:58

Yeah, everyone is racist against foxes. Fox this, fox that. That's why jackals dont get a look in.

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Tyciol at 16 Oct 2006: 00:27

This thread is the first I've heard of racism in furrydom. I'll encounter it if I see it, but yeesh, what is it exactly?

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at 16 Oct 2006: 07:34

In the end we are all just filthy humans and are all equally silly looking no matter what arbitrary divisions of external variables... In seriousness I think furries probably realize that more than most, atleast I do

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at 16 Oct 2006: 08:49

>>38
 Same here

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Stitch Lover at 16 Oct 2006: 09:03

and i can say I'm into some of the most AH/ things out there. That has nothing to do with color. It completely grinds down to prefrence. As for "Racism on the net" do I honestly have to go on about this? Its the internet! Stop taking it so seriously!

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Stitch Lover at 16 Oct 2006: 09:05

>>1 buddy, this whole thing is moronic, i'm a black furry and i can say I'm into some of the most AH/ things out there. That has nothing to do with color. It completely grinds down to prefrence. As for "Racism on the net" do I honestly have to go on about this? Its the internet! Stop taking it so seriously!

{aprently the beginning of my sentence disappered on my first post >_>}

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Dogsbody at 16 Oct 2006: 11:57

>>38

Refer you to: >>37, although the original idea was that everyone though of foxes as sluts, wolves as strong types.. although this is more sterotyping then racism.

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at 21 Oct 2006: 23:38

The Imma chargin mah lazer-thing is based on one of Cell from DBZ's superforms, that have a black-darkgreen face and red lips. An image of his form is used in this Doug parody: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:1154956432952.jpg
In all edits, the faces are not all colored black, it's the mouth and retarded eyes and the text screamed "IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER" that is lulz.
4chan memes, yay.

Also, I have not noticed any significiant racism in the fandom. Besides, racism is everywhere.

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at 22 Oct 2006: 07:32

I'm racist.  I avoid dragons, avians, and lions.  I'll talk with them, but even them I'm cautious in case they get attached.

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at 23 Oct 2006: 03:19

>>45
Are you serious?

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BlazeFoxxie at 23 Oct 2006: 07:15

Call me wierd or sick... but I would bang the hell out of a black guy. To me, different-ness is the -BIGGEST- turn on. And yeah, the furry fandom is comprised mostly of us lilly vanilla caucasions, which means finding a black fur in this fandom is like finding a herm in real life; rare as hell and a thing to be treasured if you actually managed to find one.

As for the thing about "black furs being normal and not having sick fetishes" I think you musta skipped mosta the Max BlackRabbit art where he's a cub and getting molested by his babysitter. And another black fur I know is into CGI dinosaur porn... do those not qualify as 'wierd?' I've never thought of myself as being racist, perhaps a reverse racist.

I guess it is sorta hurtful to somebody if the whole reason you're attracted to them is their race. Damn I feel like a douchebag now... And if art fans seriously are calling black furry artist slurs and boycotting their art they need to be bitchslapped. That'd be like if some 'phobe tard stopped listening to hia fave band cuz the singer "came out."

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