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i think *she got at least few points right. What's your opinion?


*she or jim hardiman.

Aborn!

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>>6 Just copy and paste the links into a new window, worked for me.

>>8

So you've never bitched about things that pissed you off before?

I guess you're above that huh?

>>9
yea, well.. when you draw skunks getting stuffed with 3 foot cocks and gaping drooling vaginas, yet whine when someone shows it to a friend without a direct link, its kiiiiinda hard to take them seriously.

Did anyone actually read all of that? basicly if fans show off the work to each other they are lowly kids that should be physicly asasulted and actually threatens that the furries will 'hunt them down' in a fashion like how sibe got hounded... orr like Eric Schwartz's attempt to have someone's net cut off because he didn't like how someone drew his characters (despite the fact he draws minerva mink getting tenticle raped).

The writer of said rant even went so far to say "You know what? if someone pulls the plug out of the wall, yer reduced to nothing but a pastey-faced, immature, nut-sucking geek! Remember that, f*cktard!" Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle pathetic, and pretty ballsy coming from a furry.

Rants and emo-esque ploys like leaving the fandom or suing fans are why people don't like furries. When was the last time a porn site sued kazaa or winmx for resdistributing copywritten smut?

>>12
why is she ranting then?

>>9
  Above bitching?  Obviously not.  Above drawing art for the sole purpose of shitting on people?  Yeah, actually, I'd like to think I am above that.  Guess that makes me a bad person.  :)

(But if I -did- draw art to express my ire, it'd be way more classy and subtle than what amounts to illustrated lj-wangst - Just 'cuz it's on a pic instead of a blog doesn't mean it's not self-centered whiney tripe.  Sorry.)

>>10
Oh, right, I forgot, being a mean spirited asshole is -funny-.  I keep missing that, guess I have to go back to sensitivity training, learn how to empathize with jerks a bit better. 

>>12
Which parts make sense?  The parts where she shits on what -you- dislike about the fandom too, while the parts that don't 'make sense' are the parts that apply to you or your friends or your prefered fetish?  Man, I weish I had that kinda discriminating taste for foul tasting bullshit...  Alas, instead I'm stuck thinking bullshit is bullshit and that it all pretty much sucks. 

>>11
There ya go, you grok why I have issue with it.  I guess that means you're unfunny and a bad person too.  :(

I am actually saddend by the glowing lack of profesionalism displayed by someone who *IS* supposed to be profesional.
jim and or des used to hold a high place in my book due to them avoiding the drama, then that is drawn and its posted in his yahell group that he is enjoying the responces *and created it to cause a stir*...... with that he sinks right to the level of all the rest of the trolls. cmon whatever happened to profesionalism?

its not what they are supposed to say, its a reflection of the level of wisomn and maturity.
profesionalism can come in many ways. and if one has to resort to effectivly name calling to say what they wish then they are sadly lacking in conversation skills. in so much as one who prefers the crudly said thing is also likely lacking in some amount of listening skills.

>>19  Profesionalism is less wisdom and maturity and more conventional thinking and a lazy will.  I believe that, as Randall Graves would say, title does not dictate behavior.  Profesionals allow their titles to determine their actions.

Also, do not be so quick to denounce a crude statement.  A direct approach can often be more efficient than a subtle one, and it can convey just as much meaning.  There is a time and purpose for each.

>>15
The label was "PMS rants." I suppose you missed that, and the layout, and the exaggeration, and that it was done "in character"...

"Oh, right, I forgot, being a mean spirited asshole is -funny-.  I keep missing that, guess I have to go back to sensitivity training, learn how to empathize with jerks a bit better."

Yeah, because you're ranting right back, only with a lot less humor. If the shoe fits...

I just received an e-mail regarding this discussion thread, so I thought I'd stop by, have a read, and offer some insightful advice.

The three "rant" pictures were drawn by Des in a friend's sketchbook.  Their intention was one of humor and, perhaps, some reflection of the way things are in this particular fandom these days.  These pictures are not prints, so the quality is obviously not 100%.  She was basically told to "have fun".

IRL, the woman who uses the Desiree Lee psuedonym does not consider herself to be a member of the "furry community".  As she has stated before, she likes drawing funny animal stuff because it's, well, funny.  She doesn't participate in any of the various escapades this fandom is known for.  However, that doesn't mean she's not aware of some of the ridiculous stuff that goes on these days.

She and I are both professional artists who draw furry stuff for fun.  She was previously employed in graphics and advertising, and I'm still working my tail off on my mainstream artwork.  I've been selling mainstream work for a longer period of time than I've been producing furry artwork, yet, in the mainstream field, I have never had to deal with the immaturity and thievery so prevalent in today's fandom.  When I first started in this genre over a decade ago, it was quite pleasant, all things considered.  It seems the invention of the world wide web, various "ailments" and the mood-altering drugs used to treat them, and the general rudeness and childishness of many (but certainly not all!) of the "new" members of this fandom have resulted in what we see here today.

Granted, Des was a bit harsh with some of her ranting, but even I have to concur that some of what she said is true.  I often refrain from dealing with the politics and theatrics of this fandom, but in recent years, it has become more and more difficult to avoid doing so (hence, why we both worked on the text for those rants). 

The first picture (the internet guy) was posted on my group, after much warning and explanation on my part, as I did not intend to upset any group members with the post.  Shortly afterwards, it was posted on a certain other chan board, and that was pretty much the start of it.  Since I realized anything I posted would eventually find it's way onto said board, I decided to just avoid the middleman and post the other two images myself, which caused even more "drama".  Admittedly, doing this while under the influence of alcoholic beverages was probably not the best idea.  In any case, much hilarity ensued (very little of which I can remember).

To be certain, there are some growing problems within this fandom, and it is up to the members of the fandom to prevent things from getting too out-of-hand.  There used to be an unspoken rule of what was-and wasn't-acceptable in the genre, but I'm afraid that line has since been crossed and dusted over to conceal its whereabouts.  If there are things you do not like about the direction the fandom is heading, then put a little effort into it and make it what you want it to be.  There are a lot of weird fetishes out there, and some are interesting and appealing, but others are just plain fucked-up.  While I realize the fandom has never been "normal", I also don't think it's ever been this fucked up before, either.

I know there are several artists, who, like myself, are beginning to take steps to protect their work legally.  Many artists are willing to improve their work and present you with their best offerings; the question is, will the fandom exercise a little self-control and enjoy what the genre has to offer, or will it continue to spiral headlong into a caricature of itself, to be ridiculed by most other fandoms?  The choice is yours, man.

>>25  "Admittedly, doing this while under the influence of alcoholic beverages was probably not the best idea."

It never is, but it sure makes things fun.

"There used to be an unspoken rule of what was-and wasn't-acceptable in the genre, but I'm afraid that line has since been crossed and dusted over to conceal its whereabouts."

There was?  Dude, I must have come into it late.  Actually, come to think of it, I do recall a time when people were shocked by Doug Winger's art.  It is indeed highly fucked up, but none the less half the stuff in /ah/ is more disturbing than his stuff ever was.

"the question is, will the fandom exercise a little self-control and enjoy what the genre has to offer, or will it continue to spiral headlong into a caricature of itself, to be ridiculed by most other fandoms?"

Furry is colossally over the top in all regards.  It is very much the /b/ of fandoms.  That's part of it's appeal, though it embarrasses us all most of the time.  It would be nice to clean it up a bit, but I don't know what can be done to that effect, honestly.

>>28 The fandom has too much "Let's calm down and hold hands" as it is and not enough housecleanings because people are spineless and those who don't want a housecleaning are legion. When the people who tend to supply the fandom with some of it's best art/smut start to say "Uh, things are f-d up", one should listen instead of trying to gag the outspoken people with a Player-hater label or smear their views.

And if she was in the Sonic Fandom, so what? People -can- withdraw from any fandom, it's not a "Till death do you part" setup. Most of the people who do leave the fandom tend to be some of the people who hate it the most and the Sonic Fandom is little more then a little brother to furry.

>>29 some of us (and there are many) simply wont be neatly cleansed away its been tried and it failed miserably.
umn.. Isn't drinking when one has diabeteas a really horrible thing to do to ones health?

>>31
  Of course, there's always that possibility, as well.  Once the 'good guys' are outnumbered by the 'bad' it's probably time to give up and move on.  Start a sub-sub-culture of folks who still believe there's some worth to the ideas of tact and publically appropo information/behavior. 

>>33

CrushYiffDestroy. :P

>>35

Are you saying CYD knows what tact is?

Everyone: Upset with how the fandom is? Do something about it! Get involved. Do things. Invest in what you care about. Get yourself into things so that your opinions and values matter and influence what's around you. Things won't change if you just up and run away or sit on the sidelines and bitch. That is just being lazy.

Oy.. this is why I'm glad I'm only a fan >< guys, you're taking things WAAAAY too seriously, but then thats the way furries are I suppose:

A)There are more people interested in furry art than years ago, so you get more varied tastes/weird shit

B)Furry artists have tried to make paralells with Anime/Hentai in order to make it more 'acceptable', and its worked.. a lot of hentai fans are into furry too, and that brings all the kinks with em (loli, shota, guro etc)

C) For some reason Furries take thier kink much more seriously than other genre's, (ie. porn sites don't sue people, like Bernal has), and it makes for drama, and with the type of people into furry, that gets amplified a LOT. Its why Artists go through the phases where they want to be noticed, all the way to the point where some can't stand the fact people are saving thier pictures of multi-dicked herm foxes and showing them elsewhere, so they make a scene and 'leave' the fandom

D) with more people interested, you're going to have more people sharing pictures, so it makes it look like the problem is worse, but really the problem is the same, just increaseing with the number of people. Also, pictures have ALLLLWAYS been snagged off the internet, it won't stop. Even the most law abiding have copywritten pictures on their computer

E)Ranting publicly makes things worse, as this thread shows. Artists can do and say whatever they want, but pissing off their fans will onyl make things worse for them in the long run, though the reverse is true also.

in the end, we need to stay calm, and realize that the fandom is mostly about porn, and taking porn too seirously is what makes others think furries are weird... in fact I saw someone use the rant pics to make "this is why people don't like furries" pictures. so yea, CALM DOWN, someone raving about how much they like an artist's cock vore and showing it off isn't the worst thing that can happen