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at 28 Nov 2006: 19:35

>>11

No, they're saying animal gentials s/he considers beastiality knots included as they are topic based....sides show some medical report of someone getting born with a dog cock...
Just because human with tails are possible doesn't open up another registered spieces gentials getting on a human.

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at 28 Nov 2006: 21:37

whats wrogn with knotted penis? damn you homophobes, damn you..

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Dreamer at 28 Nov 2006: 21:41

Has nothing to do with homophobia, does it? It's just simply anatomy and behavior. If (copulatory lock) = yes, then knot = yes. Else, probably knot = no. Depends on the character design.

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at 28 Nov 2006: 21:53

>>12
 I second that. but i guess they are all willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious to whine about something, id guess furs that stand on their toes (forget what the style is called) would be even more close to bestiality. you must also take into consideration that quite a few people in the fandom are also in fact into bestiality. and as far as this /dis thread being started out of a zen thread in /m, if you dont like knot, you should stay far, far from zen

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at 28 Nov 2006: 22:48

>>16

Knots are one of the many things that make stay far, far from Zen.

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at 28 Nov 2006: 23:22

well.. there is a very, VERY large amount of furry art with knots, though i dont want to say most of all canine art includes knots, im pretty damn sure that its at least half if not more, but as for sending knots to /a? why the hell for? why dont people just scroll past it like what is said and said again. ts like taurs, i personally hate taurs, but im glad they can be back on the main pages.... just live with it people, your into furry, your gonna have to deal with an occasional knot, it comes with the territory

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at 29 Nov 2006: 05:33

I don't want them to send "knots" to /a/, because then that's all /a/ will be.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 06:00

All this debate..

Most animals have prefectly viable penises. Why are you looking at furry porn if you don't like animal penises? Human penises on every male animal fail and it's a mark of a lazy artist. Most of you -omgihatetheknot- whiners have no issue with horse penis.

In the end unless you commission it, you have no say over the way the damn artist draws the penis.

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Havoc at 29 Nov 2006: 07:50

>>20
This is a thread about personal preference. Way to fail horribly.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 07:53

>>20
People can say as they please, they aren't saying artists should stop, probably just want to find out the ratio of who likes it to who doesn't, there's no harm in that.

As an artist I find it pretty damn off that, ok there are the characters majority of my commissions are adult oriented, if they were clothed I would (hope and) assume people aren't jerking off over it, when suddenly exposed gentials makes it jerk off material apparently.
I had discussion with some fan of my work persuading me to draw "accurate" animal sacks and gentials for such fantasy beings, sorry but I have enough of an issue with referencing human gentials, no way are you getting me to stare at a photograph of an animals crotch, which he was willing to send me to draw it from now on.

The idea of furry [not anthropomorphicism, though furry can be in that catergory I'm not in anyway saying anthro is this defintion, as it's not)  is part animal part and part HUMAN, and furries for years have said it's the human attribute which makes it ok to jerk off about....if you give an anthro realistic animal crotches...then it defeats the purpose, ok they have the mind and "consent" ability as far as fantasy goes, but still being arroused by animal gentials other than human to me hints beastiality.

The guy debating this with me was all "there's a zoophila element in all that is furry BE PROUD OF BEING A ZOOPHILE". He didn't seem to get that was his opinion and that inspite of drawing this stuff for money I'm not really all willing to encourage people to reference from animal crotches.

If that's what you're into, enjoy it, but yea don't expect others to just cause you do, it's insanely ignorant and disrespectful.

People in this thread pouting just because others are voicing and discussing the issue with curiousity of other's opinions for an attribute in some drawings, GET OVER IT. They have a right to as long as they don't say you're sick bastards for it, it's a mature approach and open for other's contributions and ideas over it. So none of this "scroll past it, why are you whining, people who don't like it suck"....you look immature and close-minded to not accept other's simply saying they don't enjoy what you do, that's ike saying a straight person is close-minded for not BEING gay instead of thinking gay is a disgrace or whatever.

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Twisted Paradox at 29 Nov 2006: 11:09

>>20
 
Wow I guess I'm the biggest failure of em all since I only draw human dicks without sheaths or slits.

Not.

It's people like you that make me ashamed of thinking I'm part of the furry community.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 12:26

>>20
This is the most rediculous thing i've ever heard.  Most artists draw furry porn because they find it sexually exciting.  So the fact that somebody doesn't find something as outlandish looking as an animal cock (who finds this sexy outside of furry anyways?  nobody) makes you automatically lazy? 

So i guess by your logic, people that prefer skinny guys are just too lazy to draw well developed musculature.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 14:09

I love furries.  Every little thing has to eventually evolve into some sort of moral debate, and crying over the associated social stigma of the 'immoral' choice if it in some way became linked to furry. 

Has it ever occured to a significant number of folks in this fandom that maybe a preference can be formed that doesn't have some far reaching psychological, social or moral consequences (or causes)? 

It's entirely possible to prefer knots on an anthro canine without that somehow meaning they have the urge to boink the family pet.  Likewise, it's entirely possible to prefer a more human look to anything, without it having to be based on some sort of moral repungnance regarding the 'hints of bestiality'(as if folks only started calling us 'skunk-fuckers' once we drew animal dongs on our animal people...  haha). 

And it's entirely possible to not give a damn one way or another without it meaning your morally bereft, sociopathic or consumed by apathy and angst.  Wow, eh? 

Seriously.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a preference is just a preference. 

>>24  On the other hand, it's certainly possible that folks who 'prefer' fat/skinny folks just suck at anatomy, lazy or not.  ;)

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at 29 Nov 2006: 14:28

>>25
 good point, its not like the difference of the penis you like to wank to is gonna make you want to fuck an animal, nor is it going to make anyone that doesnt understand your thoughts think that you  wouldnt pass up a chance to fuck a fox..

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at 29 Nov 2006: 15:07

>>25

Since when? None's crying out or pleading for people to stop, the only thing that starts drama is people expecting it to happen just because there are large amounts of text all of a sudden.

Someone having a different opinion from another isn't drama, it's drama when it's degraded to name calling when a side can't back themselves.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 15:25

>>27
  Haha.. Okay then, we'll see.  :)

Though if the 'only thing' that causes drama was the expectaion of it, then such an expectation would never have arose in the first place, now would it? 

Everybody would just expect a discussion like this would progress calmly and happily, and not dissolve into a 'you dog fucker!'/'no u!1' exchange...  Since that's *never* happened before.  :D

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at 29 Nov 2006: 16:57

>>28 LOL you win the big golden star.
this is a fandomn that ive personally watched drool over and outright ask to borrow dogs I was dogsetting at various cons.
the zoophiles are deeply entrenched and they are "knot" going anywhere. so people trying to preach oh there arent that many are missing a clue.
  As for yah or nay - that again depends upon the way the char is drawn etc.
  I also do tend to agree there are many situtations where an artist sticks human genatalia upon a furry to be indicitave of lazyness.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 18:42

>>29

Excuse me? It's way easier and faster to just draw a fucking pointy dog dick than a human one.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 19:09

>>30
well, you guys were talkin about drama....
ive seen some freakin sorry penises drawn on this site, human and knot, and where the hell do horsecocks come in? ive seen horrible horsecocks too, again, it all comes down to the artist..

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Anon at 29 Nov 2006: 19:53

Well, I'm a straight dude but if I had to choose, I'd choose human anatomy (e.g. human dicks, human boobies [yes, even on birds and reptiles], etc.) over animal ones (knots and all). Animal dicks turn me off faster, even in /s/ pics.

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at 29 Nov 2006: 22:31

Has anybody ever though of that artists don't draw dog cocks partially because they...you know, don't look at dog cocks  and have no idea what they look like?  i've never seen a real one.  The first time i ever saw what one supposedly looks like was when i got into furry porn, and even then i was repulsed.  It doesn't even look like  penis.

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at 30 Nov 2006: 00:57

Only now do I realize my mistake.  I should have left the question as yes/no, but the temptation to add "why" was too strong.

On the plus side, at least some amount of this type of discussion has been redirected from /m/ to /dis/, as was my original intention.

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VulpinePilot at 30 Nov 2006: 01:05

Im going to add /dis/ about why.
to answer the yes or no question: yes I like it better.

a lot of furries are attracted to animals (in my case I am, but I have not acted on it really)

its sorta a no brainer why zoophilia is so prevalent in the furry fandom. almost to the point where finding furries who think so strongly it is wrong is sorta new to me. but anyways.

a lot of people are even into furry because they were or are into bestiality. I went the other way, I found furry fandom first and through it I found out about my attraction to non-anthro animals.

back to the topic of the discussion,
I suppose you could say that I am into "anthro art" rather than "furry art" and to me, the non-anthro penis is simply a different level of anthopomorphization. much like realistic facial features and digitigrade vs. plantigrade leg styles.

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itoril#e0pMofP/AM at 30 Nov 2006: 04:37

Knots are hot - they're exotic, something different.

They're also a natural bondage implement ;)

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at 30 Nov 2006: 13:03

I wonder how many of us found furry through searching for bestiality.. XD

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at 30 Nov 2006: 13:05

>>33
 alot of artists LEARN that dogs cocks look like that from other artists, and hey, dont you know that some people (maybe a dog breeder!) can know that too, without being into bestia...(if thats what your getting at anyways), and btw, how can it not look like a penis... IT IS A PENIS, hell furry is the part thats fantasy, jeez.

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at 30 Nov 2006: 15:45

>>38
That may be the case, but a lot of these artists seem to know what a dogs dick looks like down to the most minute detail including the pattern of veins, color, everything.  Somebody is looking at real dogs dicks somewhere, i only know this because of that troll that posted a chick blowing a dog (disgusting) in /f the other day.

  And even if it's a penis a dogs dick still doesn't look like one, it's blood red, with weird bulges, it look smore like an internal organ of the chest cavity than a cock.  Just like reptiles and other animals can have dicks that look like featherdusters, or sea anemones or in the case of reptiles, go know what but they still are dicks.

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at 30 Nov 2006: 16:13

>>39
thats true, and yes its lame when people post shit in wrong threads to start crap. and dont sound so surprised, i can guarantee people "are looking at dog cocks" its been stated before, a large number of the fandom is into bestiality, but im also sure a large number at the same time isnt, but still knows what the thing looks like, and of course id imagine there are some that wouldnt

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Sylern at 30 Nov 2006: 23:56

Also you may consider that some people don't look at 'dog cocks' in order to whack off or whatever.

There are several people who want things as close to perfect as they can get it.  I personally like things as close to dog cocks as possible, I've done some Second Life modeling for chars..and in order to get the cock of choice down right (because I wanted it to be more animal like) I'd look up pictures of the real thing..studying it and translating it.

Odly enough..you know where I find the pictues with the info I want?  Vet type places...scientific websights, whatever.  Because they tend to be nicely indepth, and explain what some things are.  However I get no rise from such websights, even though I thoroughly enjoy the look of an anthro with a more non-human looking cock than a normal one.  But please...that dosn't mean I want to go out and get screwed by the family pet, I just merely think it looks better on that form as opposed to a human cock that looks woefully out of place to me most of the time.

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at 1 Dec 2006: 02:14

"Oddly"
"websites"
"in-depth"

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at 1 Dec 2006: 13:50

>>42
 way to lose an arguement

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at 1 Dec 2006: 13:56

>>42
 (43 again) seriously.. arent these threads supposed to be on tipic? it pisses me off when some people try to turn a porn board into grammar class, or search a huge post just looking for misspelled words so they can feel smart to themselves, lets get back to those delicious knots

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Darkpaws at 1 Dec 2006: 21:12

I prefer the knot because its more natural looking on a furry. Plus its just HAWT

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VulpinePilot at 2 Dec 2006: 01:54

>>42
dont worry bout this guy, he just likes being an ass, I know, I live with him XD

personally I think "knot or not" is entirely personal preference and doesnt have to be tied with zoophilic actions or longings (no pun intended). sure it can, but it doesnt have to.

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Sylern at 2 Dec 2006: 20:23

Eh personally that just tells me that if the poster MUST talk against my spelling..even nitpicking at point, that the poster cannot form an opinion to the rest of my post.  In this case, the fact the only negative poing of my post that >>42 came up with is my spellings..shows me that >>42 couldn't say anything bad about the rest of what I said.  Thereby concedeing that not everyone who likes knots on anthro's are out to screw the family pet, and instead some just like the way it looks in general.

And of course there is my other whole way of treating this.  I won't be graded in school on this, no-one who is going to hire me for my writing skills will ever see this info, or know who 'Sylern' is, thereby I have no need to nitpick my grammer and/or spelling.  And I just need to make sure any point I wish to make is easily understandable, without offending my own sensabilities when it comes to writing.  So basically as long as people know what I mean, and I don't look at it and puke.  I'll be happy.

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Darkpaws#aKWOECIEk2 at 3 Dec 2006: 16:24

^_^ not everyone who points out spelling is being an ass. Some ppl have O.C.D. and need to make those corrections for personal need. On the other hand some ppl have not the intelligence to add useful info so pry on others simple mistakes to gratify their own self worth. ANYWAYS i totally love the knot!

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at 3 Dec 2006: 18:32

some people just cant HANDLE the knot imo :p

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at 3 Dec 2006: 20:07

I don't like the knot.  I'm not entirely sure why; perhaps it's a latent zoophilic attraction, or maybe it's the last of my "sex is gross" upbringing.  Or maybe it's an "animals are dirty thing."

BUT: Almost every time I've seen a knot, it's been on an anthropomorphic character, and I've yet to be disgusted by a character on its own.  Usually it's the act that'll gross me out, if anything.

To the Phantom SpellCheck: Did I spell "zoophilic" right?

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Vulpinepilot at 3 Dec 2006: 21:26

>>47
hes does have an opinion and while it is in fact in favour of more human cocks it is only an opinion and one his boyfriend doesnt even share ;3

>>48
that may be, but he was just being an ass XD

>>49
well I cant, even if I do think they are attractive.

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vulpinepilot at 3 Dec 2006: 21:27

>>50
and yes you spelled it correctly :P

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