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Theyain at 27 Apr 2007: 21:07

I have noticed that on 4chan and other chan sites that they have their own set of characters (see Megaloop).  And yet we don't.  I proposs that we start creating our own furry characters for Fchan!  Show your support for Fchan!  Make a 8 to 16 bit character!  We need some!  :P :D 

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at 27 Apr 2007: 22:22

*Sighs*

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at 27 Apr 2007: 22:23

Do whatever you want, just don't turn this place into that horrid mudpile called 4chan.

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Anon at 27 Apr 2007: 22:24

>>2

Yeah....

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at 27 Apr 2007: 22:28

I know that 4chan is horrible.  And I understand that some people don't like the idea of having mascots for Fchan.  That is already obvious.  If anything I could dish out some money and pay for artists like... on i don't know Nek0 or Hibbary or (name others) that way we could have non bit related mascots FOR Fchan.  And I wouldn't mind dishing out the dough... After AC that is. ;)

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at 27 Apr 2007: 22:29

Hey, I think we can still use ideas without mimicing behaviors.  After all, sometimes inspiration can come from the most unlikely places.

It could be something we could use in some banners and stuff (or hey, fchan merchandise! X3).  I have no idea what would represent fchan, though, other than the F with the fox tail.  Does anybody have any ideas? 

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stevefarfan at 27 Apr 2007: 22:37

I don't think we need a /b/ (random) section.  4chan already does a great job with this.

However, I don't think there is nothing wrong with a character that represents fchan.  Something for a logo, or what-not.

However, I think it'd be important that the character be EXTREMLY HOT, quite happy, and maybe andronigus. (i know i spelled it wrong)

That way people can draw the mascot as a him, her, hir, in any section doing any sexual act.  Fun for everyone, right?

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at 27 Apr 2007: 22:49

Steve, you hit the nail on the spot.  But who said anything about a random board?  No need for it. 

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Raven//Puck at 27 Apr 2007: 23:25

I had the idea of site mascots before. Just never got around to having any done. That tends to cost money, and I currently have need for it. And when I set aside commission funds, it's usually for my own character(s).

However, Puck would be quite happy to mascot for the site, at least temporarily. It would be great fun, long time. :P

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at 27 Apr 2007: 23:41

>>7

If Fchan DID get a random board i would be very put-off, Leave the shit spamming, racism, CP and god knows whatelse to the retards at 4chan please.

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at 28 Apr 2007: 03:05

Yes, mascots rule! It would be hilarious if the F with the foxtail were picked for the mascot. It would take some serious invoking of rule #34 to sex that up.

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at 28 Apr 2007: 04:58

we need  male one , and he muyst be gay , so gay he will freak out  when sees female bits , that would be hillarious =D , i was disgusted when they made fender a scally chick .. ewww cooties..

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at 28 Apr 2007: 08:00

>>12 You are a sad, sad little man.

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at 28 Apr 2007: 09:09

>>3

That's not mud.

>>9

Apart from maybe as a catalyst, it's probably not required that money's spent on it. I think fanart will accumulate over time.

>>12

I hope that's a joke.

If there was a character who was like a kind of personification of the site itself, I suppose they would be in a blue color scheme maybe with some white to represent the text.

That way, circumlocutively, the website itself would be 34'd.

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Theyain at 28 Apr 2007: 09:56

Woot!  I am happy to find that people are actually liking the idea, despite the main inspiration came from 4chan.

Speaking of which... I finally went there to check it out. *shudders*  what ever happened to good content, non spamming, and just down right niceness?

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at 28 Apr 2007: 11:15

>>12

I call troll/fail attempt at joking.

Either that or he's that creep that requests ultra-lewd and shudderific gay demands in almost every thread in /toon/.

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stevefarfan at 28 Apr 2007: 12:15

I can donate my time to creating the fchan mascot.  Of course, I have no problem with accepting money for it...

Examples of my skills:
Male nudity
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2007/Sinu_Final.jpg
Male, but somewhat clean
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2007/realistic2.jpg

Butter, my best character, Male, Cub (/ah/ level material)
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2005/stevefarfan120.bmp
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2005/butter_charactersheet.jpg

Female, somewhat clean (yeah, I can draw them!)
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2006/stevefarfan2005112.jpg

I'll listen to all suggestions.  Though, I'm thinking the best strat is a character that looks like it could be a very desirable member of any gender.

The new character will belong to me, but I can sign a paper saying fchan can that particular character for any purpose, even commercial, as long as fchan exists, except they can't sell, transfer, lease, lend, or give away the copyright (since fchan would not own the character.)

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stevefarfan at 28 Apr 2007: 12:17

>>17

just fixing part of a sentence.

...I can sign a paper saying fchan can USE that character for any purpose, even commercial, as long as fchan exists...

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Raven//Puck at 28 Apr 2007: 14:07

>>14

I've had a bit of fanart done on my characters. Not much, though. And I really don't like actually ASKING artists to donate to the site. If they want to, they will offer. But such offers are incredibly rare.

>>17

That's actually very nice of you. I'm not sure what to ask for though, and as I said, I don't like requesting things for free. I only take them if the artist is very serious about doing it. And if for some reason it just didn't turn out in a way that would work for the site, I'd feel guilty about not using it.

I'm also not even sure if I should make another character or just use Raven or Puck. I also don't know how the others would feel about it, or where we'd even put any images..

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stevefarfan at 28 Apr 2007: 14:58

>>19

That's one of the reason's why the character created would belong to me.  If it's not used by fchan, at the very least it would likely appear in one of my series.  So don't feel guilty if you (or whoever has ultimate say) does not accept the character.

Probably the place it'll go in is clean.  Since while there would be nudity, it would not have genitals. (maybe a hint of nipples, if that's allowed).  I can start a thread by tomorrow, if you want. I'd start with a generic character sketch, then go from there with the ideas given by the users of fchan.

While designing, I'll just make a bunch of sketches

I would definetly like to see how Raven or Puck looks like.  Do you think you can put in some links, or send the images to me?  Since you're currently the public relations person for fchan, it might make sense somehow, to use the character.  Though, more as a representative of fchan, rather than the fchan mascot.

stevefarfan@gmail.com

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Raven//Puck at 28 Apr 2007: 20:06

>>20

Hmm. I'd prefer the character either be created by the Fchan administration as a group, or one I just created myself. The thing that has been brought up to me is, if the character is mine, what would happen if/when I move on from Fchan? Well.. I'd just take the character and go, probably. But there's nothing really bad about that, and I don't have any plans of leaving any time soon. ^^

As for representative.. good idea, though that's basically what a mascot is. Some people may think different things depending on the word used, but in the end, there's not that big of a difference.

Anyway, I'll shoot a mail to discuss it a little bit more, I suppose.

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at 30 Apr 2007: 05:59

>>14

Blue?  White accents?  Foxtail?

I think that's Krystal.  XD  I kid, I kid...

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at 30 Apr 2007: 07:38

>>22
XD
"Court will now hear the case of Nintendo vs Fchan..."

Anyways, I do really like the idea of having a character or even characters (like one for each of the baords, maybe ) to represent fchan.  It seems like it would be a really fun thing to do, and if artists like stevefarfan are up for it we could really get some amazing artwork for the site.

It's just, well...uh...not that I have anything against Raven or anything, but it would be kind of cool if we invented a new character just for fchan, instead of, you know, using his.  Not that there's anything wrong with Raven's idea (don't hurt me!).  I mean, his character's smexy and all, I'm sure, but if all of fchan is going to be represented by something it would be nice to give the majority of fchan some say in what it is.  Again, just my opinion, feel free to ignore me.

I really like stevefarfan's original idea, wherein keeping the character open would allow all kinds of different artists to be all kinds of stuff with it.  And I really don't think we could do that with an already established character.  I could be wrong, though.

Also, I was kind of liking the idea of everybody being able to draw the character, or use it in banners, or whatever they wanted to do with it, pretty much.  You know, in a kind of character doesn't belong to anyboady but instead artwork of it belongs to the respective artist kind of way.  Not to go all communist on everybody, I just think more cool stuff could be done with a character if nobody had to jump through legal hoops just to do anything with it.

Actually, saying communist made me think of capatalism, which brings me to this point: >>14 suggested to use a blue and white color scheme, like the site (which I think could be a cool idea) but some of the text, like the (capped) or the numbers beside the boards are red, so... ("Court with now hear the case of the United States vs. fchan")

Sorry, I've tried be be light-hearted about this and I really don't mean anything bad.  I just think that maybe if we held off on actually making a character until more people had a chance to contribute (anyone else have any ideas?) we might wind of with a better representational character.  I mean, it would be great to see more mod characters and everything, but I really think this  should be something that most everyone on fchan can agree to, or at least have some say in.

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at 30 Apr 2007: 09:39

>>22

"I think that's Krystal."

Erk! I guess you can't win 'em all :P

>>23

"...I was kind of liking the idea of everybody being able to draw the character, or use it in banners, or whatever they wanted to do with it, pretty much.  You know, in a kind of character doesn't belong to anyboady but instead artwork of it belongs to the respective artist kind of way."

I think that's very appropriate in the spirit of fchan, which is basically all about sharing.

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stevefarfan at 30 Apr 2007: 09:46

Well, I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that any creature that's made up for the site would not get full approval.   In fact, some furs won't think that it represents them.  (Xenofurs, repitlefurs, insectfurs, plushifurs, the list goes on).

Just think of Puck as more of a representative.  So that leaves the door open for more.  Maybe in the future, you'd see different characters hanging out next to the logo.

btw:
The problem with making a character that doesn't belong to anybody, is that if people gets really attached to their version of the character, what's to stop them from copyrighting it?

That's the problem with just handing it out.  Somebody will eventually just take it for their own.  Public domain work is pretty much impossible to defend.

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Raven//Puck at 30 Apr 2007: 11:08

>>25

Exactly. At least I know that if I'm using my character, no one is going to get pissed off because "it was really their idea." Puck is my intellectual property, and as long as Steve allows the logo he draws to be used on the site, and I am an admin, then there isn't a problem.

It didn't take much thought for me to come to that conclusion, and why it's the better one. But I've also had a lot more experience, what with working on this site for over a year now. I'm used to the kind of things that can go wrong..

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at 30 Apr 2007: 12:31

>>25
Stevefarfan, as you're currently the only artist we've got up for this at this point, in the end it's really your call, I guess.  You can do whatever you feel comfortable with. :3

And since there's been really no confirmation on what we're actually going for here, I guess there could be a lot of different options.  It seems that (and sorry if I misunderstood) you're thinking of something that would just appear on the front page, or next to the logo, or what-not? I think that's a cool idea, and you could use a lot of different characters like that.  However, that isn't something that would represent fchan, it would just be a kind of mascot/logo/label.

Sorry if I'm not explaining this very clearly.  As an example, look at some of the other furry site banners on fchan or even some of the fchan banners.  Right now I'm looking at Fossil's Jurrasic Beauties banner, and there are several characters that appear there.  And they do represent the site.  The same goes for the Clubstripes banner, which features a cycle of characters from the participating artists.  Those characters represent the art content of the site.  All those characters represent the site, but none of them is really the site personified.

And, maybe that's what the OP was talking about.  I'm not sure myself.  I don't think it's a bad idea, to have Puck or anybody else hanging out by the fchan logo or just around the site.  If that's what everyone's going for here, then I think that's a great idea.  Puck would be fine, but I think we should let other characters get up there too, sometimes.

But none of those characters would be an fchan character.  They would just be characters that people put on fchan.  I'm sorry, that sounds confusing; am I making any sense?

I may have been thinking about this the wrong way, but I thought we were looking for something less of a logo and more of a...well, I hate to just go back to referencing other image boards, but I really can't think of any other examples.  Take Furseiseki, for instance.  No one owns her (that I'm aware of) and any willing artist can use her for whatever they want.

I don't know if that's a good example or not, but I'm trying to get at the idea of a character people can recognize but not in a "Hey, that's so and so's charcter" way.  Just something that everybody could do something with, be it artwork or photoshops or new banners, or whatever.

Blarg, sorry for being so wordy. X/  I hope some of that made some kind of sense.

Anyways, I know that not all of fchan viewers could be represented by a single character, but using Puck has that same issue.  If we could get a bunch of fchan viewers to come up with a unique idea at least we would know all of them would like it.  Furthurmore, there's no stipulation that a character would have to be static with it's representation.  Just look at what's done to mainstream characters.  There are gender changes and size changes and all kinds of stuff.  There can always be a plushie version of a character, or a dragon version, or etc.

And while the same thing applies to Puck, he is an already created gay twink boi character.  I mean, I don't have anything against him, I think he's awesome, but he doesn't appeal to any larger of a fchan crowd than something fchan viewers could come up with themselves, does he?

One last point before I conclude this "too long; didn't read" post, concerning the copyright issues: the aforementioned characters on which this thread is based seem to be shared characters that haven't had to deal with copyright entanglement.

Sorry if I didn't explain things well, I just think if fchan could come up with something it would appeal to at least as many people as any individual chosen character, and that a shared character would be more fun for the boards and wouldn't really cause legal issues.

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Theyain the Fox at 30 Apr 2007: 13:55

I don't think I got my original idea across.  I was thinking, more or less, that the characterS (NOTICE THE S) were more or less representations of Fchan, not just characters used as objects to make an Fchan Banner look prettier. 

And about copyright.  There is an easy way around that.  Its called the Creative Commons.  The original creator owns the character, but has it so that anyone can make modifications of it, use it in commercial means, or redistribute it how ever they want.  And all of those options are optional.  So you could have it set up so that people can redistribute it and make modifications of it, but not sell it or anything.  That way everyone can do what they want with it, but its known who the creator is.

And to Raven.  I am not quite sure if i got this, but it seems to me that we want to use your character as the representation of Fchan.  I as a member don't care if you do or don't.  But it also seemed to me that you thought that that was going to either be the only character or no characters at all.  To me, that seems a little unfair.

>>27
I am going to have to whole heartedly agree with this.  This is basically what I am saying

I don't think that that could be said in any other way.  I hope this comes across as who I would like it to.

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Theyain the Fox at 30 Apr 2007: 13:59

>>28


Also, he isn't the only artist that would do that.  Right now I am experimenting with doing bit characters.  If this comes out right, it will be smiling, standing on top of a dead 4chan character.  Which one?  No idea.  Need help on deciding that.

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stevefarfan at 30 Apr 2007: 15:09

Okay, this is getting overly complicated, lets keep this simple.

I'm gonna draw Puck for now.  He'll just hang out with the logo, which is just text.  I'm almost sure you all will enjoy it.  34 it in any direction you want.

If you want to use the character in commercial works, get permmission from Raven and negotiate the pay strategy with him.  As for the logo, you have to ask whoever owns the website.

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Theyain the Fox at 30 Apr 2007: 15:48

>>30
How was that complicated?  Its quite simple.  Let me line it out for you:

Theyain (I) had the idea of people making characters for Fchan
-Those characters can be used by anyone in anyway, as long (if the artist wants it that way) they say who owns that character.
-The characters are not just something to use for a logo.  The characters are representations of Fchan and its coolness.
-Those people can be anyone who wants to do it.
-The Characters should be put under the Creative Commons License to keep most legal things out of this.

Does that make it easier to understand Steve?  Just trying to help.

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Raven//Puck at 30 Apr 2007: 16:22

Okay. Seems to be some confusion. I'm going to clear it up and this will have to be the official word on the matter. I say this for the sanity of Steve, myself, and to just keep things from getting overly complicated, because something that is meant to be fun should not end up turning into drama:

1. The idea, at least from my perspective, is to choose a character to represent the SITE, itself. Not the userbase. Community members often come and go, but the site always remains standing. The idea was also to just fill empty space on the front page. I never was looking for a catch all character when I originally thought of creating a "mascot," nor am I doing so now. I just want one that people can see and think, "Fchan!" at the same time. That's all. Simple, clear cut, and makes the "It doesn't represent my demographic!" argument a moot point.

2. Puck is being used because, a) I know I won't throw a fit some time because I get into an argument with myself over him being used in the logo or the way he's depicted, and b) Steve offered to draw a character/logo and asked for ideas/options. I him two options and he chose Puck. I didn't have enough time to make up anything new.

3. Puck is not a "gay twink boi character." He's more of a "foppish girly-boi who likes to tease men, but is actually someone else entirely." Some people may not see a difference, but I think it is a very important one. But I'm obviously biased. :P

4. Other characters may also end up being used, but if so, they would probably end up being created by the staff, or the staff's actual fursonas, and probably done by other artists (as I feel really bad monopolizing Steve's time, as this is already a great gift he is giving us!). This may not seem fair to some people, but when you consider we are the ones running the site, and the ones responsible for things here, I think it truly is the most logical and fair thing to do. Besides, we wouldn't be the first online community to do this. ^^

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Raven//Puck at 30 Apr 2007: 16:26

>>31

I think it is important to also point out the following:

While your idea is neat and interesting, it is not the one we decided to go with. I already had my own idea for how such a thing would work, way before anyone brought it up here. However, this thread jump-started my creative drive and eagerness to get it done. So when Steve offered, I thought it was as good a time as any.

I'm sorry if you feel like we do not understand, but I know I, for one, do. I have just decided not to go with your idea exactly as you have it stated, as to be honest, I don't really like it or think it is a wise thing to do. So I'm going with a modified version.

Hopefully that clears things up enough. Please don't argue the point anymore, as Steve is doing the site, me, the rest of the staff, and the community a HUGE favour as it is. Don't start frightening away more artists by arguing with them and being greedy/picky over how they want to go about their art. It's just not fair and the fandom has enough problems with that as it is. -.-

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at 30 Apr 2007: 16:53

>>32
>>33
Okay, well I'm really glad Raven's idea for a mascot seems to have worked out.  Hurrah, fchan's getting a mascot! ^^  Thanks a lot to stevefarfan for drawing it!  The only question now is where would we put the finished image?  On the front page, or on each image board? In any case, I'm sure it will be really cool!

But, and I don't want to cause trouble or anything, since Theyain started the thread and everything, would it be okay to talk about his idea now?  You know, in case anyone is interested, or other artists want to do that instead?  Because, I mean, it's great that Raven's idea worked out, but it seems like Theyain was thinking of something different. 

So...since Theyain's idea is different than Raven's idea, and Raven's idea is all worked out now (that's what Raven just said, right?) can we talk about Theyain's idea now?

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Raven//Puck at 30 Apr 2007: 17:37

>>34

It would be displayed on the home page. Not sure about elsewhere.

As for the other idea, feel free to discuss. Just keep in mind that such images will not be officially endorsed on the site or used to promote it. It would be for personal enjoyment only. Which is perfectly fine, if you like the site that much (others have already done that, anyway)! ^^

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Theyain the Fox at 30 Apr 2007: 19:31

>>35
Does it really matter if its endorsed?  As long as people think Fchan when they see the characters, does it matter? 

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Raven//Puck at 1 May 2007: 00:09

>>36

Hmm.. this is just hard to explain. Many people will make pictures of characters talking about Fchan or enjoying Fchan. That's really cool and we like it when they do that! ^^

All I am saying is that we don't put them on the front page or anything, because I just don't want there to be drama over us using someone else's character in the event they decide to hate us for some reason. I have enough people claim "copyright" on characters and commissions that are posted, and I don't want to deal with it in regard to something we place on the site to advertise or just look cool.

I'm not sure how else to explain it..

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at 1 May 2007: 18:52

>>37
I understand that.  But What I am saying is that we should try and make characters that represent Fchan.  And for me, I gave up on a  bit style character, and now I am working with Blender (http://www.blender.org) to make a 3d Character.  But I need help.

Do you guys think that the character I am making should be a guy, girl, or hir?

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