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at 18 May 2007: 22:11

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/18/nembryo18.xml
wonder where this will go.

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at 18 May 2007: 23:01

WOW


SO I CAN HAVE UDDERS LIKE A COW


oh wait, I could jsut be female.

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at 20 May 2007: 10:08

I personally think that its wrong to
 say an embryo can grow for fourteen days and then they have to just kill it off.

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at 20 May 2007: 10:10

Oh wait, it will be entirely human, just originally developed in an  animial egg. I loved the huge moral outcry when this news first came. People who knew NOTHING about it going ZOMG HYOOMAN ANIMALZ???? LIEK WAREWOLFSEZ!!! Plus the fact they call them Chimeras. Unfortunate really.

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gato at 20 May 2007: 17:07

it is at the very least proof of concept that a human animal hybrid is *entirely* possible.

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at 20 May 2007: 19:13

>>5

But not really.

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at 21 May 2007: 17:30

A human animal hybrid is not possible. The plumbing is essentially the same in all mammals (with few exceptions like Two(?)-Toed tree sloths, with their doubled genitalia) the genetics are incompatible.

We do not share the same number of chromosomes with any other species. That is what makes them species, instead of separate breeds.

The only way to make a human animal hybrid would be to splice certain genes from an animal into a human. THEN you could have very hairy children with horns. Or you could wind up with a bunch of dead babies. Genetics is not cut and dry folks.

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stevefarfan at 21 May 2007: 20:33

I think the whole topic of how to do this testing is out of my league.  Too many benifits and too many negatives.

How about furry android robots for servants and sexual pleasure?  For safety purposes, they can just be built out of softer things like hard plastic, rubber, and silocone.  That way if they were to somehow gain sentience, you won't have to worry about them rampaging harder than a human.

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at 21 May 2007: 22:21

>>7 That is full of win. I'm going to cut and paste that into notepad and keep it around for every time some overhopeful furry cuts and pastes a link going "Omgwtf, now we can be real furries!" or some furry who claims to know a doctor specialzing in gene splicing.

By the time humans know enough to do such things, everyone who is currently in the furry fandom will be dead and those who might be able to fiddle around with their child's DNA will run the risk of creating a new race of outcasts. I think even the biggest lifestyling furry would think twice on damming their child to a early death or a lifestyle filled with scorn.

Furry robots are more possable, but I could count on one hand the amount of furries who could pay for what are little more then limited sex toys, ATM.

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at 22 May 2007: 06:31

This thread has aggrevated me for all of my three posts in it. Why can furries not understand? Do they even read the article?

Of course, they don't have science qualifications or work in labs like some of us, but christ. Just google it. It's nothing like a hybrid. When will they ever get it through their skulls it's a HY00MAN grown in an animal EGG????

And they dispose of it at a few cells old anyway to harvest for stem cells!!!!

I am now going to hunt and destroy any other moron who goes "LIEK WOWWW, IT IS *ACTUALLY* POSSILBELL!!!"

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stevefarfan at 22 May 2007: 08:48

10>>

calm down, besides, online anonymous threats are sort of illegal.

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at 22 May 2007: 11:15

>>11

Sorry lol. I just see this crap all over. And furries can't help but get all exited over it. It's one of those little things that just gradually drives you insane.

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M.o.T at 22 May 2007: 13:46

WooooTT its....  just kidding.

No, even transfering your brain into a custom android body would be more likely to happen than actually change the biological body your born within.
Live with it, its the only one you will have in this life, but if you believe in some sort of afterlife you still can keep your hopes for then.^^

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Raven//Puck at 22 May 2007: 15:22

I've heard some scientists say that it may be possible to change the characteristics or internal workings of a body, but it wouldn't change a whole lot about the way you look. In short, you'd end up more like Spiderman: Faster, better reflexes, stronger and more elastic muscles, etc. And that's assuming the technology exists to do it. But to look like a furry? Doubtful.

Of course, this is just what some scientists have been speculating about. The science of the Spiderman movies has been deemed plausible, but it's still incredibly unlikely that it would happen. The most I've seen talk of so far are pigs that glow in the dark. And while glowing in the dark might be cool, it's not exactly making one's self a furry. You'd just be an easier person to mug at night.

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at 22 May 2007: 21:25

>>14

 Well put.

Although it does bring to mind all the stuff like the rats with ears on there backs and stuff, y'know? While unrelated, all the science crap like this merges together and normal people think more stuff is possible than it is.

For example when people think of nuclear waste they think of glowing gunk, they think of bodies in tubes for cloning, and star trek like warp drives for space travel.

People just get misinformed and come up with crazy ideas, i.e furry thinking he can have teh hawt fox cawk. Shame really.

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somecat at 23 May 2007: 19:18

in a university research facility in salem oregon there are currently at least two monkies that hve a faint green glow due in part to being intentionally created hybrids-chimeras-whatnot.
these were created by splicing the segement of dna that creates tyhe green glow in fireflies. they are being used for some specific research.   google for monkies with fireflies.
aka cross species is most decidedly possible.  now the real question is when this is going to be taken to the next level.

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at 23 May 2007: 19:41

one link showing transgene between species with visable effects.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/01/18/glow.2.t.php
*sega voice* ---welcome to the next level---

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Creepy Otaku at 24 May 2007: 11:29

I would make a Manbearpig. As far as this. Likely never going to ever, ever, ever happen. Cybernetical enhancements and organic computers would be able to duplicate any genetical enhancement one would 'theorize' a splice could give.

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at 24 May 2007: 22:32

>>16

That Jellyfish/Firefly glow green  gene is the _only_ gene that scientists have figured out how to splice into different species. Hence why there are worms, mice, moneys, sheep and every godawful animal that glows green now.


It's not exactly an easy process to get the DNA from one species to accept DNA from another.

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at 25 May 2007: 07:40

the chemistry is pretty self aliaigning at the splice boundries. so its actually pretty easy to get a cell/dna to accept dna from another species,   what *is difficult is getting predictable results* there are currenty 13 dna splices that are targeted at some form of marking biological proceces all not related to jellyfish/firefly gene.  the biochemists are doing the hard work for us -

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stevefarfan at 25 May 2007: 21:03

As time progresses, I bet computer models of DNA structures can be created to simulate how a creature would turn out from a set of DNA.  Including the weaknesses to various illnessess and to physical trauma.  Computers and consoles across the world are already doing simulations of folding protiens.  Whatever that means, it's research toward stopping and or preventing cancer. http://www.fragland.net/news.php?id=16227

I think it would be too late to try to change OUR appearance in the ordinary sense.  Even if our dna was made to look like something else by dna theraphy, I doubt the main structures of the body would change by itself.  Minor things like hair and skin color would likely change.  However, I imagine that the idea of growing bodyparts in a lab would work, since it would comply to our new dna, the attached portions would not be rejected by the body.

This would be drastic measures, but not as extreme as the brain moved to a android (robot that looks like an organic creature) body.  Not that this is a bad idea, I'm just trying to add another posibility.

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at 26 May 2007: 10:27

envision our bodies as finished scafolding. for large changes to work, first the gene codes would have to be transposed everywhere.
the most viable method of such would be by delivery via a modified virus that slips below the radar of our auto immune systems.
after such a payload was delivered and integrated then it would need to literally throw us into the same state that amphibians enter when they go from tadpole to adult(the name for which escapes me currently) to accomplish this - detailed info on how
the dna would affect us would be needed then precise timing.
so while at least potentially possible not very likely to have a finished being rewritten in that manner.
to create a embreo that grows to an adult which is a hybrid is much closer to the realms of currently being possible.

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HaTcH#Hqe8J0JTHw at 26 May 2007: 21:32

>>15

I've love to have hawt fox cawk :)

(Though I'm entirely aware such a thing is not in the cards.)

Which brings up another point. Genetic stuff.. does it only work on embryos and non-developed life? Would it even be possible for someone who's already developed into a human to change? If not, then whats the point? Would a furry couple really be willing to alter appearance-type genes of an unborn baby?

It's not like it would be the thing, "Aww how cute! He has your tail!"

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at 27 May 2007: 00:44

>>23
That would be a good way to make sure that your child hates you for the rest of his life. Just because the parents are furry, doesn't mean that their offspring will be - and almost certainly wouldn't appreciate a fox-tail.

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at 27 May 2007: 05:24

>>23 The idea of couples modifying their child's DNA just because they think it would be 'cute' to give him animal parts is the reason I hope the means to do so never come about, because insane furrys would rush to do it, never thinking of what damage they would do to their child's life.

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stevefarfan at 27 May 2007: 09:42

>>25 I think that the child would have the be born by whatever dna is of the parents, but later the child can pick if he wants to become a furry and what type or mix.  Of course, it's completely fine if he wants to stay human.  Less expensive, ya know.

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at 28 May 2007: 07:51

>>26

Obviously doesn't understand. That's wishful thinking Steve, not the realms of "is it possible to" that we're thinking here. Said child would be born furry as they had their DNA altered by their parents. That's the whole point.

If some technology was developed to change you mid life, it would be a bitch. If you're British and saw tHis weekend's Doctor Who, he re-writes each cell in his body to become human to evade capture. Something like this may be possible in the far future, but would have sever implications of power and physical pain I guess.

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M.o.T at 28 May 2007: 08:58

To give you something to think about:
There allready exists something to changing the genetic code of a cell. Virus'
The only probem is, all kown virus' are destructive, killing the cells only to reproduce copys of themselves, sometimes with adoption to antibiotica uses to kill them.

So if you would like to really rewrite genetic codes you could use a Virus or lets ssy, lots of em. You would need one for every celltype in your body, adopted for your own DNA.
This would be:
-very expensive (lots of guy and high technologie to design the codes)
-very dangerous (think of what might happen to your memories stored in your brain and nervous systhem?)
-only possible in the very far future (allready the amount of computing power would probably surpass the current world total, not to mention the precision of your operating tools)

my 2 cents after sleeping not enough. -_°

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Sade at 29 May 2007: 08:54

You know the best way to prevent scorn and abuse of a furry child? Make lots of furry children. As for which parents would want it done, well, who said anything about asking permission? Create a plague, a wave of change spreading across the face of the planet. But then, I'm just like that.

Viral engineering has already been attempted. The idea was to use an engineered strain of virus to replace a harmful/damaged portion of DNA from the brain cells of the patient. The trials failed, resulting in disease and death; we just don't have a sufficiently thorough understanding of the processes involved yet. I say give it another decade or two.

Speaking of decades, I'm dissapointed about how pesimistic some people are. "Never within our lifetimes?" Some of you must be planning to die young. With the rate of technological advancement as it is today, it is entirely plausible that some of us won't die, period (barring accidents, murder, etc).

Don't be so quick to give up hope.

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stevefarfan at 29 May 2007: 09:26

I would totally love to have a Butter.  I suppose if I became a cow anthro my child would look like him.

warning, AH level material. cub art.
http://www.stevefarfan.com/2007/iDontGetIt.jpg

we'll just see how things go.

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at 30 May 2007: 07:51

but presume that a plauge of furries is possible **oh noes triple gasp** it would be grand fun to live to see that.

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