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lost souls at 20 Mar 2008: 21:25
Were it possible to create herms with fully grown genitals through genetic splicing or whatever (not like intersex people today where both genitals are small and undeveloped, but completely developed like in the art), would you want to see it happen?
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at 20 Mar 2008: 21:41
No. It doesn't happen that way for a reason, and to splice with genes is only going to mess things up... I know we're being hypothetical, but it's just... creepy. That's just me, though.
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at 20 Mar 2008: 23:40
>>1 Yes. And no. This is why we need holodecks.
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at 21 Mar 2008: 05:50
No, I don't support using science to pursue sexual fetish.
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at 21 Mar 2008: 07:26
No, no and no... if this were an imageboard type discussion page I'd have a big sign with "I'd hit it... LIKE THE FIST OF AN ANGRY GOD >=[ "
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at 21 Mar 2008: 15:31
I would f--k it and paw it off at the same time, lol.
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lost souls at 21 Mar 2008: 23:16
>>1 >>6 From the bi-pref-straight perspective, it could be the ideal partner
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at 22 Mar 2008: 03:37
#2, there are plenty of herms in nature, they're just not common. Snails come to mind. Personally, well, why not? Be unfair, discrimination-wise, to create one without some major changes in society(to say nothing of creating people as sex-toys - big no-no, that), but if you can turn a willing adult into a herm, well, why not?
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at 22 Mar 2008: 08:06
What do herms have to do with furry? Obviously there can be furry-herms, but there's much more human-herm porn! There are websites and forums dedicated to herms in general. So, shouldn't this be a topic for those sites?
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at 22 Mar 2008: 08:23
>>6 You don't have paws, get over it.
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LLz at 22 Mar 2008: 15:58
>>9 Shemale != herm. The majority of human "herm" porn is merely males with breasts.
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lost souls at 22 Mar 2008: 17:45
>>1 >>8 I'm not talking about creating sex toys to be your slaves (that would be horrible), I'm talking about herm-ing adult males and females at their request.
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Some Random Cheetah at 23 Mar 2008: 08:14
>>1 NO, genetics freaks and accidents of nature have no business being purposefully created. also, sage for cross topic mutilation, be a little original please?
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at 23 Mar 2008: 08:14
oops.. eh oh well.
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lost souls at 23 Mar 2008: 10:10
>>13 Male furries making female furry sex-toys is okay, but herming willing human couples is not okay? Also, it's not like your topic idea was original either.
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at 23 Mar 2008: 11:45
>>8 Plenty of herms in nature, sure... but it's not natural/normal for humans.>>13 That's a way to put it nicely. Though I believe that equality of opposing sides makes for perfection (I'm being vague), I can't say that hermaphrodites are that. How often do you find one that has everything working, and working right?
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at 23 Mar 2008: 13:23
>>1 Hermaphroditism is a feature of lesser evolved creatures. Like worms. I have never heard of a normal mammalian "herm" that wasn't a direct result of partially absorbing a fraternal twin. The rest are surgeries and hormonal treatments. Why would anyone want to be a freak on purpose? I think "herms" are a disgusting concept as anthropomorphic characters, and not-so-subtle clues as to who is a nymphomaniac. My two cents on the subject.
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at 23 Mar 2008: 14:43
>>11 Still doesn't explain what herms have to do with furries. Perhaps if the OP asked something like "Were it possible to create real furries, what gender would you make?", but that would make it a part of the other thread. Creating human herms, or herms in general, is really not a topic that's related to furry.
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at 23 Mar 2008: 14:59
>>18 Since when has content posted on fchan be related to furry? ;)
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the wise one at 23 Mar 2008: 17:30
there are people born as hermaphrodites, most arn't exactly in the middle their body usually leans toward one gender but still retains features found in the oposite sex
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at 23 Mar 2008: 21:30
>>20 Those people born as herms have ingested part of a fraternal twin. It doesn't happen normally, which is why there are only two potential genders listed on birth certificates, not three.
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at 23 Mar 2008: 21:46
>>21 Hie thee hence to Google, and update your "information."
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at 23 Mar 2008: 23:09
>>22 OK, I did it. Gender: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender never mentions hermaphroditism in humans, referring to pseudohermaphroditism. Pseudohermaphroditism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudohermaphroditism aka when a person has either ovaries or testicles, but the corresponding genitilia are abnormal or subnormal. It mentions Intersexuality. Intersexuality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex aka when the person's sexual organs don't match either a male or a female. A line from this article CLEARLY STATES the following: The terms hermaphrodite and pseudohermaphrodite, introduced in the 19th century, are now considered problematic as hermaphrodism refers to people who are both completely man and woman, something not possible. Something NOT POSSIBLE! Well well... Looke like Googling was better for my argument and worse for yours. Finally... Hermaphrodite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite THIS article says the following are hermaphrodites: Snails, Hamlets (a kind of fish), earthworms, banana slugs. Most herm art on Fchan clearly aren't of these. So as I said before, and I'll say again, hermaphroditism in humans is caused by one fraternal twin absorbing another, or through surgery, and why anyone would deliberately want to be a freak is beyond me.
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at 24 Mar 2008: 09:24
>>23 Actually, I meant you should look into the causes- though you did come up with actual real-life information about the subject so good on you. However, I still take issue with your use of "...ingested a part of a fraternal twin" as a cause. Pre-natal dietary preferences have little to do with the conditions you found lying around on Wikipedia. Seek ye "chimera" and find out that noshing on a fraternal zygote isn't quite the most accurate way to describe it and it certainly isn't the chief cause of the condition(s) you read about. And it wasn't me arguing about the other stuff, so your score is still nil to nil. As to it being NOT POSSIBLE! Well, I hold hopes that the future will be a bright and promising, and that one day medicine will crack that nut. 'Course, I do hope they keep it in the "elective treatment" category if they do- which is what the topic is supposedly about, remember.
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at 24 Mar 2008: 23:13
People objecting to things becuse they're 'not natural' has always struck me as a rather baseless argument - nature is, ultimatly, just the result of nothing more than physics, statistics, luck, and time. Mankind started playing god when we invented fire and the pointy stick. ;-) Now, objecting because it's outside your confort zone I can understand, but it's not like others are forcing you to have anything to do with it - consenting adults and all that, Fchan of all places should understand. Makes me wonder at seeing some of the, erm, 'stronger' responses.
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Some Random Cheetah at 25 Mar 2008: 04:26
the fact is, herms are not supposed to happen, often have reproductive trouble aside from finding a sick enough mate, are not really even a real sex, rather a combination two, pointless because why wouldn't it just fuck itself and be a-sexual as opposed to having sex with someone so desperate to find a new kink (of course this would be true since i believe the OP mentioned they would be able to reproduce), and if they did reproduce a-sexually they could quite literally overpopulate the world with incredibly similar (both genetic and appearance as well as possibly behavior) offspring because of not needing an external mate, and are just plain fucking disgusting.
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LLz at 25 Mar 2008: 04:40
>>26 Not really true. a) Herms do exist naturally (as in no human intervention) IRL, like snails. b) Unlike humans, most other animals have ovulation cycles longer than 1 month. In addition, the male aspect of the reproductive system doesn't necessarily have to be active all the time (e.g. most plants). In the case of snails, the male and female systems are not active at the same time. c) Whether asexually or via couples, creatures can still overpopulate. Only in human society is social eptness standards so high that some people can't find partners (meaning that only in human circles do you find spare females and males not engaging in reproduction). It still hasn't stopped humans from overpopulating eitherways. d) Your disgust is merely an opinion.
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Some Random Cheetah at 25 Mar 2008: 04:56
>>27 i never claimed they are not naturally occuring, your comprehension is horrible to say the least, simply to re-iterate i said (quite truthfully to) that they are not supposed to happen (for the most part albeit - special cases snails/slugs or whatever) (b) again with missing the point entirely, you did really read it didn't you? hmm.... it's obvious overpopulation would be easy, my point however was not that overpopulation would/could happen, more that it could happen without partners and oversaturate the gene pool
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Some Random Cheetah at 25 Mar 2008: 04:59
oops, ok, i clearly messed up with the numbering thing, ignore the numbers.
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LLz at 25 Mar 2008: 09:17
>>28 a) Unless you're claiming that something is natural yet not supposed to happen. I would like to see your logic in this. b) The point is that just because one is herm doesn't mean they "can just fuck themselves". The only herm creature I know which "fucks themselves" are plants. c) Before the existance of dual-gender genotypes, that IS how creatures evolved, by asexual reproduction and slow mutation. Even so, even for creatures with both asexual and traditional/mating reproductive mechanisms, creatures prefer mating. You could say that a mechanism already exist to encourage mating even if herms could reproduce by themselves. (by that sex is far more enjoyable). d) Additional point: Just because one may have both reproductive systems doesn't mean that they can utilize them with each other. For illustration, it's hard to fit a penis into a vagina directly below it.
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JungleJim#tVRiNPYVxQ at 25 Mar 2008: 16:45
>>1 Yes. Those who whine about "ethics" or "morals" of using science to do "bad things" are deluding themselves. If it can be done, and you want to do it, do it. Arguing morals and ethics is nothing more than mental masturbation. That said, you must fully accept all consequences of anything you do. So if I create some macro herm that goes around fucking buildings and using airplanes as dildos (dildoes?) then I'm clearly responsible (at least in part) for all those dead and/or spooge covered people and things. Although it'd be funny to watch.
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BronzDragon at 25 Mar 2008: 18:10
>>31 Actually, I think I'd be horrified watching that.>>1 I am indifferent to herms being around...
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LLz at 26 Mar 2008: 00:16
>>32 They're not mutually exclusive. I still do not know why the "people jumping off WTC" is so famous..
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at 26 Mar 2008: 22:15
I like the idea, but I don't know about having 'created' them. If we were to happen to be just next door to a race of hermaphroditic scalies I'd totally want to get jiggy with'em. Otherwise, probably not.
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lost souls at 27 Mar 2008: 22:15
>>34 That would be a great furry comic: A family of hermaphroditic scalies moves to a house in a garden variety human neighborhood. tl; dr It's interesting that most people here consider making furry sex-companions for themselves to be moral, even if they'll kill preborn humans/animals in the creation process, but believe herm-ing is immoral.
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at 28 Mar 2008: 23:09
>>35 lol! "That's my mom, my oldest sibling's mom, my younger sibling's dad," "Wait, who? You were only pointing at your mom-" "Yeah, who is my younger sib's dad." "...Huh?"
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at 30 Mar 2008: 20:51
>>31 Best rebuttle evarz! Creating herms is wrong, but creating anthros is not? We are sooo backward. I'd like to se a RL furry try to take a shower, better have a 10 gallon drum of Liquid Plumber.
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lost souls at 30 Mar 2008: 23:44
>>37 "better have a 10 gallon drum of Liquid Plumber." I loled pretty hard
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Alex Moldovia at 21 Apr 2008: 23:38
Personally, I'd love rl herms. But then, inside the fandom my mate and wife, is a herm, and I wouldn't have it any other way, I love her for who she is and would gladly join her if I could, if science found a way to herm us both in real life, that is safe and effective, I'd do it.
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klokwrkblu at 22 Apr 2008: 02:06
I think we might be looking at this the wrong way. Yeah herms don't occur naturaly in mammals but it dosn't mean its not impossible. If they did, that whould be an adaptation that make for a great advantage. For example If there where a very large percentage of one gender and very little or even none of the oppsite, it woudnt be a problem because everyones a herm. Another advantage would be that you whould never have to be aloan. You can make your exact duplicate by literaly fucking youself. However, there is a limit to having a large group of genectically identical individuals. If a contajous virus or bacteria where to sucessfully infect an kill one, it wipes the entire population. (getting off subject) Why do you think mammals as a phyllum became so sucessful. One of the reasons (besides them being warm blooded) is that a lot of them are social by nature. Imagine what benefit whould it being if both genders can bear children. As for us With more than 6 billion people(and increasing by 100,000,00 a year) there is large enough of a genepool for slight changes in the human organism such as: having an extra (functional) finger, the natural ability to see in infrared or xray, being immune to STDs, having stressful situations provoke lerning. Regeneration of nerve cells or any other body part, and perhaps a male or a female having two wroking private parts. Some of these seem like pure science fiction, but some are very possible and some are very very real. But untill these adaptations occur or if we are able to splice genetic material with predictable results, Lets just stick to the fandom. Who knows there might be a simple reason why it dosn't happen. Did I enighten any of you?
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