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1 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 06:29 Now I don't believe in having sex with animals, I think it's fairly disgusting and serves no natural purpose but the fact of the matter is there is much worse things than it so why is it illegal? So let's break it down. Positives of bestiality; -No STD transmission possible unlike when having sex with a bunch of random humans. STD's would probably more or less cease to exist if people could keep it in their pants or at least demand STD tests before sleeping with someone INCLUDING someone they love and trust. -A closer bond between pet and owner(animals have feelings, emotions and personality just like any of us, if you've owned a pet you KNOW this) Negatives of bestiality; -Animal abuse. If you have to hold it down and practically force it to have sex that's wrong, those same emotions, personality and feelings mean you are RAPING that animal. Now I believe the whole argument against bestiality is mostly based on it being seen as immoral by a right-wing society rather than any real worries about animal abuse. I mean, how can you prove a human male isn't abusing his human wife if she is so afraid of him she refuses to leave or report him to the police? You can't. So abusive people will abuse ANYTHING, period. Now when compared to smoking or drinking...how many people has bestiality killed both directly and indirectly? How many people have died or suffered health problems as the result of secondhand smoke? How many people have died of lung cancer? How many people have died from being hit by drunk drivers? When you really break it down...the number of deaths and negative impact in the world has and IS affected more by so called 'legal' activities. The hatred toward bestiality or even things like polygamy(to get on a vaguely related subject currently in news) is based on sheeple fear and hate. Unless they have proof something is negatively affecting society it should be allowed even if I personally disagree with it and think it's disgusting as fuck.
2 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 06:38 >> Is it still raepz if you're bending over and the animal has his penor in your butts???
3 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 08:55 in b4 shitstorm and threadstop Has bestiality ever hurt anyone, you ask? What about the animal? A sentient being that can't say no? That draws some parallels with other beings that can't defend themselves: children. Bestiality isn't outlawed because it's unnatural, (by definition, homosexuality and even m/f anal sex are, too,) or even unsafe, but rather because it is the abuse of a living creature. If you want to get your jollies off by having sex with a consenting adult in a fursuit, be my guest, but don't drag animals into the equation. (Also, on the topic of death by bestiality, google "Mr. Hands" and see what shows up.)
4 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 09:18 >>3 You obviously didn't read the post but that's the typical sheeple response I expected.
5 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 09:26 >>3 An animal can say no in many ways, there is a difference between an animal actively trying to initiate sex and one that is more or less not interested/running away. As for the abuse of a living creature argument GET THE FUCK off your high horse. We abuse animals all the time. Do we outlaw meat? No. Do we even outlaw the abuse of animals in factory farms? No. And yet we pretend as if we care about some animal that is being fucked by a human? Give me a break. The reason bestiality is illegal has NOTHING to do with the welfare of the animal or people giving a damn, it's all about restricting what they feel is morally wrong. However the point i'm making is that smoking and drinking are leagues worse in both morality AND negative impact on society yet they are still allowed(and should be so long as someone isn't forcing me to inhale their smoke or driving drunk/getting into fights)
6 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 10:16 Is having porn of beastiality illegal?
7 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 10:23 >>6 In America? Yes.
8 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 11:25 Comparing them is like comparing chalk and cheese then concluding that chese is stupid because you can't write on a blackboard with it. Bestiality isn't illegal because people think it kills, the issues are far more complex, both morally and medically. HIV for example started in animals, not humans, though it's unclear how initial transmission occured (It's more likely it was due to a bite or hunting not sex), but it's still evidence that STD's between species can occur and have dire long term effects for the species. On the moral side the issue is regulation. If you rape someone they can go to the police and report you, is it was consented, they can tell you that it was consented. The problem is how would you regulate it even if it was decided to be morally ok in some situations? Do you invite a guy around to your house to watch you doing it to confirm you're not "doing it wrong", does the dog get to phone the police if they were raped?. Between the tiny minority who want to practice it, the difficulty of regulation, the health hazards involved, the moral dilemna and the cultural taboos it's much less of a headache just to outlaw it completely. It wouldn't be the only such thing thats outlawed since regulating it would be nigh impossible.
9 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 11:42 >>8 I never mentioned that bestiality was illegal because people think it kills and once again, raping a willing participant is IMPOSSIBLE. Furthermore, if an animal is raped, so what? We don't care about killing them for food, we don't care about their suffering in farm factories, we don't care about making them go extinct and ruining their land. So suddenly we care if they are raped but otherwise fed and treated nicely the rest of the time? That's quite possibly the most hypocritical thought process ever. Mind you, i'm not accusing YOU directly of being a hypocrite but i'm saying anyone who thinks that is definitely a hypocrite. You can't kill, torture and massacre into extinction one second then pretend to care the next when something is 'raped' for all of 20 minutes max a day if even that. That's like if I were to beat my children daily and no one cared but the second I touched them sexually people are outraged.
10 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 12:30 >>9 We do at least try and ensure animals for food or materials are dealt with as quickly and humanely as possible. (Although I have to wonder... I'd rather be raped than killed and eaten given a choice)
11 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 13:15 >>10 Actually, we don't. Regular farms do but factory farms don't have to follow the same regulations and it's very common for animals to be in some of the worst possible conditions.
12 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 13:19 >>11 Also to add on to my post...you'd think since they are saving money they'd charge less but WRONG, they charge the same price as any other farm in the country. So it's legalized torture, mutiliation(long before death) and extra profit! Yay! I only buy my meat from small farms personally because while they are still being killed...at least those farmers have the compassion to kill them quickly and keep them in liveable conditions that don't cause psychosis.
13 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 14:22 So the basics here is that animals are like children and beastiality pr0nz is like child pr0nz, because even if the ANIMAL is the one doing the penetration, they're not intelligent enough to "consent" to fucking you? Hard Dick + Being in the Topping Position = Consent Implied. In the not too distant future... "But officer, I didn't rape that lady, she FORCED me to put her penis inside of her!"
14 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 14:24 err, that's totally not a freudian herm slip...
15 ReportDeleted!	Deleted! at 16 Apr 2008: 15:49 I am a failed troll.
16 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 16:50 Hrm.... Oh, wait. I think I found something on the floor here! I think it is... ah yes, it obviously is THE OP'S FUCKING SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE!
17 Report	LLz at 16 Apr 2008: 19:16 >>13 Technically that should be an acceptable defence, since it's not impossible for a female to rape a male in this manner (though granted rather less common).
18 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 22:33 >>9 If you beat your animal, someone's going to care as much as if you beat your children. Same as if you're sexually abusing either party. Stop trying to make bestiality look harmless. No matter who's penetrating who or if the animal "wants" it or not, it's still abuse. Animals aren't able to think for themselves, and aren't meant to have intercourse with humans. Now I know someone's going to say "homosexuality isn't natural, are you saying gays should be outlawed, too?" NO. This is completely different. Homosexuality is between two consenting, adult people, while bestiality is someone putting their dick in an unwilling animal. Don't spew BS about animals being able to consent, because they outright can't.
19 Report	LLz at 16 Apr 2008: 23:32 >>18 Or an unwilling animal putting a dick in you, which is a little less biased in common thought. The only think I'll add is, people are using the whole sapience issue as a justification for outlawing bestiality, even though there're probably more grevious crimes against animals which goes unpunished, but I degress.. If/when a gene-manipulated human/animal comes to play (with asusming human-ish levels of intelligence, based on human measurement of intelligence), maybe this will be resolved. Or maybe not..
20 Report	at 16 Apr 2008: 23:57 If a 17 year old boy forces a woman slightly older than himself to take his cock in her 'gina, is he a rapist? Or is it different cuz he's underage, therefore making him the "victim?" And sorry if my views are a bit skewed, but I've always thought of the person taking it -IN- the ass (or 'gina) as being the one who needs to give consent. I don't get how an animal who's being the "Pitcher" in the situation is being "abused," its not like these people are hooking a car battery to the animal's dick, they're just LETTING the animal hump their ass. And I kinda doubt that an animal would get the same feelings of "Guilt" or "Emotional Issues" from sex as a human child. But then again, animals don't have things like Religion to make them feel guilty about having a dick.
21 Report	Draconis Khaan at 17 Apr 2008: 00:18 Just a couple of quick notes: >>7 In America, watching bestiality is not illegal. Actually doing it is. ...At least, from a national standpoint. Local laws can (and probably do) vary. >>20 This varies by location. In some countries, only the one being penetrated technically has to give consent. In others, everyone involved has to. We now resume your regularly scheduled program.
22 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 01:59 So what about guys like me-, er, my friend, yeah, how drinks too much, has drunk sex with his dog, and then enjoys a nice smoke afterwards? Doomed to hell, or just knows how to have fun with mans best friend? Quick Fchan, inquiring minds want to know!
23 Report	Sen at 17 Apr 2008: 02:24 >>22 I'd settle for the happy medium and say you're just completely revolting.
24 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 04:52 >>20 Not to mention 17 is over the age of legal consent in almost every country in the world. It's only in American teenagers arn't considered adult enough to make their own decisions until they're 18-21.
25 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 05:03 And whoah, I'm in America... but in some more liberal states like Oregon and Washington the age of consent is 16.
26 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 07:08 >>24 Uh, the age of consent is 16 in most states in the USA. It's only 17 or 18 in a handful. You may be confusing the age of legal consent with the age of majority, which ranges from 18 to 21 depending on the state, although depending upon the circumstances it's possible to have yourself declared as an adult before that, if you want. >>21 Actually, having bestiality porn is illegal, too, because you're in possession of evidence of a crime. Same reason why owning child porn is illegal.
27 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 07:22 >>20 So making an underage boy have sex is perfectly fine, huh? Well, your justification has convinced me. All animals want is sex. We kill animals, too, so raping them must therefore be okay. Just because animals don't have expressed emotions such as guilt, let's have free rein at them because we're too pathetic to find another way to get off! In fact, I'm going to go buy a golden retriever today and fuck him all night long. It's morally justifiable because, well, he's an animal!
28 Report	Pedobizzle at 17 Apr 2008: 09:58 >>25 Really? I had no idea. That reminds me, I haven't been back to my old high school in ages. I hear the JV girls soccer team is looking pretty good this year.
29 Report	Chris Hanson at 17 Apr 2008: 09:59 >>28 Why don't you take a seat over there.
30 Report	Bizzle at 17 Apr 2008: 10:02 brb, church
31 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 10:04 Here is the argument restated so you can see how stupid it is; Animals aren't able to think for themselves Willing and unwilling = thought The animal is unwilling so it's rape even if it jumps on you Rape = no consent = unwilling = thought So which is it? Animals can't think or they can? It's ok to kill animals but not 'rape' them or let them have sex with you. Fucking morons.
32 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 10:25 >>31 This entire thread is full of people who want their opinions to equal fact just because they disagree with the morality of the issue. The only argument that even had any merit was the one saying disease could be transmitted to humans via animals. This could be avoided simply by taking the pet to the vet, getting it tested(the same way you'd test a human partner for STD's if you were smart) and get the green light. As for the arguments on the animal being unwilling...those are illogical on the basis that in the same post people talk about how the animal is incapable of thinking on that level. You can't be unwilling or willing if you don't think, thus rape is impossible. A child CAN think and when they grow up they WILL develop the capacity to realize they've been abused. An animal can not and will not think in this capacity and will always think in a child-like state. A child doesn't realize they are sexually abused until they grow up and their brain matures. Since the animal will always be locked in that childlike state they will never see it as abuse, rather they will see it as affection similar to how you scratch behind their ear or play fetch with them. I still think it's disgusting to fuck an animal from a species point of view and i'd never do it but I certainly see no harm coming from it that can't easily be avoided. Any argument from people who kill animals regularly for entertainment(hunting), food, fashion, product testing or scientific research has NO RIGHT to say having sex with an animal is more wrong than those aformentioned LEGAL abuses.
33 Report	one of many at 17 Apr 2008: 11:41 concernin bg physical sex I hear as lot of stories of mares pinning their lovers against things in passion (or total absolute hornyness) and stallions getting erections from being entered. And don't get me started on the ass horny stories of bulls and rams. Bestiality is nothing but practical. And personally, I think people would all be better off if they only did that. I see them fuck each other all the time (physically speaking) and the results are NEVER pretty. Anyone who says any beast sex is rape is a moron. Limits exist with them as well as humans
34 Report	one of many at 17 Apr 2008: 11:43 >>10 Really? I find that very very interesting. I alway wonder what humans think on that subject in particular (between the two choices)
35 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 11:54 >>34 I'd rather be raped too, who the hell would choose death? Rape is something you can get over, at least for me it is. Even if I were to be raped every year i'd still have 364 great days and if I were raped every day i'd still have a good 23 hours(minus sleep) to enjoy. Death is well...it's over. Nothing left to enjoy. Of course if you believe in an afterlife as I do then death isn't very scary it's just i'd rather enjoy my time here on earth for long as possible regardless of eternal happiness in heaven or not. I never did understand how people let these types of things get to them to the point of never being able to live a normal life again. A lot of things have happened to me. Not rape but a LOT of emotional hurt and a lot of emotional abuse but I don't let it affect my life. I live the same as if it never happened and just avoid those type of people in the future and present. So someone raped you...and it may even happen again(though unlikely statistically speaking)...are you going to let that person control the tempo for the rest of your life? Why give up that kind of power? They stole a few hours(or days if they kidnapped you) of your life, don't let them steal years more. Have some fucking willpower and strength and show that rapist they can't fuck your life up. That's my opinion though.
36 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 12:19 This thread scares me. I never realized there were so many people on fchan willing to have sex with actual animals and so adamant about defending that act. This is just...pathetic. None of you can actually find other humans to have sex with, so you have to resort to creatures that can't say no or speak for themselves? If you just want a warm hole to put your dick in, buy a fleshlight or something. Seriously, don't take advantage of animals just because they have orifices. I'd hate to be any of your pets. >>33 This has me laughing. Bestiality is more practical than actual human intercourse? That's just ludicrous. Sex is meant to pass on genes within a species. Interspecies breeding isn't meant to happen and serves no useful purpose. Have you ever seen interspecies breeding between wild animals? It doesn't happen. Scientific and anecdotal evidence aside, bestiality is just wrong. Sure, killing animals for sport or fashion is wrong, too, but it's just making excuses to say that because humans kill animals, it's okay to have sex with them, too.
37 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 12:26 >>36 You apparently didn't read the thread. Every single post I made was quite clear that I do not want to have sex with animals. I didn't really see "many people" saying they wanted to have sex with animals either. You are once again, yet another person trying to say opinion = fact because you have no evidence supporting WHY it's wrong just that "it's wrong because it's wrong ok?!" type logic.
38 Report	one of many at 17 Apr 2008: 12:48 >>36 I don't need animals or humans. I got better for me. You can keep your meat. And you know what gene passing on means don't you? CHILDREN As far as I'm concerned anyone evil or STUPID enough to put their own children in this world should be shot and strung up. Putting a child in this world is taking the risk that every bad thing thats ever happened will happen to them by age 10 rape, nazi medical experiments/torture. Things you can't even imagine. You don't need to be a social worker to hear what some parents have done and still are doing to their own children. Ever seen a little girl that grew up tied to a chair and beaten severly? It ain't pretty and worse occurs. No one who has ever had a child kidnapped ever thought it would happen, but it did. Same with the ones born in concentration camps. No one knew they would be sent to them places, but they were. and I would like to think that humanity has learned to be less naive with their young. That kind of negligence with human life is appaling and unacceptable. Procreation is a disease anyway. Humans treat each other like scum, you really want to continue this charade?
39 Report	one of many at 17 Apr 2008: 12:49 basically procreation is responsible for ever horrific thing that has ever been done to a human being and many animals. Without humans we'd have less infants microwaved and THATS SOMETHING I COULD DO WITHOUT!!!
40 Report	at 17 Apr 2008: 12:58 >>39 why is denying life better than taking life? The child is dead either way. If 9 out of 10 babies were killed, does that mean that no babies should be made? what about that one baby?
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