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at 9 May 2008: 18:33

Hello all.

I don't consider myself furry. I interact with furry culture mostly on an outside observer basis. I am very much pro fur, I have many furry friends, and a great deal of furry porn.

It is a culture I find interesting to observe, and interact with, though I have no interest in becoming a part of it. Nevertheless, I find furries to be a nice bit of variety in life, more color on the rich tapestry of existence.

What does the furry community think of people like me ?

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at 9 May 2008: 19:12

Egadz! Gadzooks! Jeepers Creepers! Zoinks!

How did someone find out about our top secret organization? We, the furries, are supposed to be something not known to outsiders.

How did you find out about us?

Jinkies! I found a clue......... Oh jesus, when I sent my fursuit out for dry cleaning, I left the top secret directions to our headquarters in the pocket.

The grand poobah will have my head.

It was nice knowing you.

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at 9 May 2008: 22:31

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/ce/Furluminati.jpg

>>2 We probably shouldn't have sent out all those flyers either, or hired that dirigible.

We'll have to find another treehouse now =(


>>1 Joking aside; Anyone who doesn't have an irrational hatred/fear of us is ok IMO. It's nice to see people who like our eccentricity.

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at 9 May 2008: 23:09

>>3


I've run out of catchphrases usually seen in an episode of scooby doo, wait, no I haven't....

Ruh Roh.

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at 10 May 2008: 00:09

>>1
Personally, I think folks like you are just label-shy because of what the label has come to be associated with, and by disassociating yourself from it you inadvertently contribute to the label being seen in the way it is, thus perpetuating the stigma. 

I totally don't blame you for that, either, honestly, because I've come to feel that way myself. 

By my definition, both you and I are actually 'furry' and pretty much involve ourselves in the fandom in the same sort of ways, but acknowledge that we very much don't agree with/condone/wish to be seen in the same way as the bat-shit fuckers whom 'furry' has come to be represented by/associated with.

So I say welcome to the club.  We're a growing section of the furry community, but for gods sake, don't think we're actually like *them*, eh? 

And with any luck, us not-socially-fucktarded folks will become a larger and larger presence in the fandom, and even if we don't redeem the label itself at all, we'll at least give the *community* a visible aspect that allows interest in the 'furry' stuff, without the associated dysfunction of the label. 

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at 10 May 2008: 00:36

>>1
I'm the same way (sans porn). It's hard to deal with people like >>5 who insist on applying a label to everyone who shows a passing interest in anthro art, though.

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Sydney at 10 May 2008: 00:56

People like you are what the community needs. Though, continuing to type would just be me repeating post number 5, so I'll just say "ditto"! =D

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at 10 May 2008: 01:04

>>6
F- for reading comprehension.  Also a F- in history as well.  All you n00bs who completely lack any awareness of the social context of the group your so desperately trying not to be a part of should seriously get your heads out of your asses enough to realize the fandom was here long before you came along, and that 'furry' didn't always mean what it does today. 

Just because we don't choose to associate with the label as it currently stands, doesn't mean we magically forget what it once meant, probably before you were even born. 

In easier terms for you to grasp: I wasn't trying to force the label on him, or even apply it to myself at this point, but that doesn't change the fact that it did at one point mean exactly what you say it doesn't mean now - An interest, passing or not, in anthropomorphic *anything*. 

Don't like it?  Tough shit.

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Bizzle at 10 May 2008: 01:17

>>5
Non-socially fucktarded furries seem to be growing in number lately.  Time will tell if this is a real trend or not.

>>8
I don't think that anyone has to desperately try to be a part of furry.  We openly accept the worst of the worst here.  Well, we tolerate them anyway.  Largely.

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at 10 May 2008: 07:35

I find it hilarious how this thread went from a friendly introduction to an off-topic furry argument in 9 posts.

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at 10 May 2008: 07:59

>>8
Everyone who isn't a furry won't know a damn thing about the history of the fandom. They just associate it with the CSI special and the news reports about conventions, fursuiters, and furry porn. I just happen to like the art, and only the clean stuff, at that. I don't associate myself with the furry label in any way because I get people after me going "Ewww! Do you dress up like animals? I heard about you on TV!"

I don't like being judged based on something I'm not. If anyone asks me if I like furry art, I'll say yes. If anyone asks me if I'm a furry, I'll say no.

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Bizzle at 10 May 2008: 12:39

>>10
Welcome to the internet.

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at 11 May 2008: 00:43

>>11
Well, perhaps that's yet another facet of the stupid/smart division. 

See, if a bunch of folks told me I was a furry, and I didn't know what it was, I'd actually go find out WTF it was and why they might associate me with it, rather than just assume they were calling me a sexual deviant based on the slanted view of popular media portrayals. 

And considering the history of the fandom isn't exactly ancient, and the origins/history of the terms it uses aren't exactly esoteric enough to defy even a casually competent researcher, I'd learn rather easily to not jump to conclusions and be one of those socially retarded folks we've been referring to. 

In other words, it's really not that hard to get informed before forming a drastic aversion to something, especially something that necessitates such polarized opinions and ass-hattery as the term 'furry' apparently does. 

'Not knowing a damn thing', is not an excuse for being an ass. 

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Draconis Khaan at 11 May 2008: 01:22

>>10
It took longer than I thought it would, actually.

>>11
You (and anyone else who gets uptight about being called a furry) need to care less about what random people you don't even know think about you. Especially people who obviously have no idea what the hell they're talking about, like the ones you described.

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at 11 May 2008: 14:49

>>13
>>14

The thing is, when people do take the time to get informed about furries, they quickly find out that it's all about the porn, the muck, and the sex. There's no avoiding it; that's what the main aspect of the furry fandom has become.

If I'm not into that, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be judged by others because of it.

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at 11 May 2008: 17:59

>>15
Exactly - What it's become.  Not 'what it's always been', and that's the point I was getting at:  Back before all the "I'm in it for the porn" folks took over, the OP, yourself, and I would all have been considered 'furry' and most likely have had no problem at all with that, even though all three of us - and others in the same boat - disavow the label now.  

So I wasn't trying to force the label as it stands now onto the OP, because I don't even want the label applied to me.  And I agree, there's nothing wrong with that (although >>14 has a point about being less sensitive about how a bunch of morons we don't know feel about us...  On the other hand, disregarding the opinions of others entirely certainly leads many back to that 'socially retarded' thing, yanno?)

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More Furry Than Furry at 11 May 2008: 20:34

>>16

People who complain about the "I'm in it for the porn" people "taking over" and then disavow the label are the #1 reason people think it's all about porn.
 
It's just amazing how they shoot themselves in the foot like that, but I guess it's easier to run away and complain about the situation rather than do something constructive about it.

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Hakar at 11 May 2008: 23:04

Humanity is about porn, deal with it.

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Bizzle at 11 May 2008: 23:42

From my limited perspective, the people who are in it for the porn tend to be considerably less insane than those who aren't.  Maybe it's because I wasn't around to witness the good old days, but I think the community is actually getting better.  I mean, it seriously sucked ten years ago.

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Trickster at 11 May 2008: 23:52

>>1
Heh. Well, I prefer observing as well if that makes you any more comfortable. (Vouyerism is so much more entertaining anyways.) I'm only in this for the artwork. Everything else can go suck a dick.

>>5
QUIT SAYING THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE.

>>11
Fearing the things that people MAY think about you has to be one of the worst excuses for not browsing the porn that makes up more than 87% of this site.

>>13
>>15
>>16
>>17
Just a reminder: You're browsing a porn site right now. There are no excuses; This site is full of porn and YOU'RE on it. Coincidence? Meh. Who the fuck cares.

In short, if you don't like porn, leave, blare your Christian Rock and encourage the creators of Yerf.com to get the site back up, then e-mail me (I'd like to see vagina-fluidless anthropomorphic art in its full glory and not some crappy rendition of Gadget) OR just except that the fandom is full of sex-crazed teens lookin' for some lovin'.

And, that's my two cents.

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More Furry Than Furry at 12 May 2008: 00:48

>>20

I like porn. I also like not-porn. What I don't like is when people start trying to make their idiotic little divisions in the fandom and try to disavow furry just so they can dump on it.
 
Seems to me the real problem isn't porn or not-porn, but rather their inability to play well with others.

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at 12 May 2008: 02:36

Furry shouldn't be about the porn, or merely a designation for a fetish, it should be what it was intended to be - Anthro-critters/'funny animals', and the fans thereof.  Furries were adults who enjoyed an idea that was previously just considered to be for children, because they believed that the concept of human-animal hybrids could be used for more than amusing preschoolers. 

And yeah, part of that adult enjoyment was the use of the characters in 'serious' adult situations, some of which were porn/erotica.  But the porn aspect was just a one-of-many type deal, it wasn't the be-all-end-all, even though it _was_ there at the very beginning, and _was_ always a part of it for some folks. 

But _not_ everyone.  And the folks who didn't join in on the erotica aspect of things weren't considered liars, merely folks that enjoyed the idea of furry without needing one hand down their pants while they did it. 

And that was okay.  The non-porn and the porn groups got along pretty well, and some of us freely moved in both groups, (or all three if we want to talk about lifestylers as distinct from both the 'furry is porn' and the 'furry is more, but not *that* much more' folks) because, gee, we liked the porn, and the rest of furry as well.  It all seemed kinda interesting. 

And because the internet was getting more and more popular, and AOL and WebTV were becoming the well regulated, fear-free on-ramp to the information superhighway - So easy a retarded chimp could do it! - the fandom got bigger, and bigger (and IMO younger and younger, and dumber and dumber, sort of like the average mentality needed to enjoy a movie progressed, but I might be biased...) and it seemed more folks went towards the erotic aspects of things rather than the tame or (god forbid) the new-agey, touchy-feely lifestyler stuff. 

Eventually, there were quite a lot of folks just sticking to the porn, it seemed, even if a good number of them still partook in the not-so porn aspects as well, just not as actively/obviously.  It became a sort of joke, that nobody (artists, writers, etc) could get anywhere in furry without dabbling in the adult stuff to gain fans. 

Then there began this 'movement' that we see the results of today, away from the joking about 'furry is cartoon porn, yuk, yuk' to actively embracing that idea.  Then those who liked the idea started to actively promote the idea, and became hostile/dismissive to anyone who didn't like the idea, or thought there was more to 'furry' than beating off to Fox McCloud.

And while some of us argue that there is more too it, we all seemed to get pretty weary of arguing with folks that got progressively more blatant in their intent to make furry all about flagrant sexual deviancy, whether the rest of the furries liked it or not.  This certainly wasn't helped by the media, that was all over the internet, digging up whatever perverts they could find to parade in the modern rendition of side-show-freak-shows. 

Folks would see the Vanity Fair article, the ER episode, CSI, Sex TV, Jerry Springer, (did I miss any big ones?  I think I did, there's enough of them) and come online to find the furry freaks - sexual deviants the lot of them, harhar - whether because they were morbidly curious or felt some inclination for Sonic and Tails porn themselves. 

And this of course, didn't make it better, as a good deal of those folks just saw what they wanted to see, and didn't bother to look for anything that might disagree, while those that found it interesting joined the ever swelling (ha, innuendo, I kill me!) sexual side of the fandom, making it that much more prominent and obvious. 

Until we reach more recent history, which I could get into a blah, blah, blah, cubs and pedofurs oh my, but the final analysis is that furry as a purely sexual concept is a pretty big thing, and it really is pretty easy to *only* see that side of things if you don't bother to do any different, even though there's plenty of evidence out there - even without yerf - to present a case that there's still a strong not-just-porn presence in the fandom. 

It seems more and more that the porn and the non-porn folks are polarizing, and that the porn folks want the furry label as there own, so as a semantic debate, that's likely where it'll go.  The result is I won't call myself a furry as a general rule, nor criticize others for avoiding it as well. 

Funny enough, it was folks right here on Fchan, on /dis/, that convinced me to just give up on the furry label because the 'furry = porn/fetish/freak' association was not only True and Right, but inevitable - That I should really just get used to it, and if it made me uncomfortable, I should just gtfo and go join the 'I'm not furry, I just like the furry art/porn' folks. 

So I did.  And now y'all want to argue about it still.  Ah, well...  Just for the record, I like porn, and I like the not-porn as well, and I totally hate xtian rock, so Trickster up there can blow me.  :) 

(He/She should also realize that >>5 that 'makes sense' and >>13 and >>16 who are theoretically - porn hating Christian hypocrites posting on a porn board, are the same guy.  Tho' I don't seem to see where I said 'porn is bad, praise Jesun anywhere... Damn, anonymous chans are great, aren't they?)

If >>20 is two cents, that's my buck sixty-five.  I'm gonna go get drunk and play NWN2 now.  Because us non-furry anthro fans don't need furry races (and socially retarded chat room antics) to enjoy our RPGs. 

tl;dr:  I like porn, but that's not all furry should be/was about.  So STFU and quit putting words in my mouth.  I've got enough of my own, tyvm. 

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More Furry Than Furry at 12 May 2008: 10:43

>>22

It's always interesting how someone can claim the porn folks want the furry label for themselves, and then out of the other side of their mouth admit they deliberately avoid calling themselves furry---thus exacerbating the very problem they're complaining about.
 
But I guess that's the point, isn't it? It's ironic how "anthro" has become the rallying point for disenchanted folks who don't want to call themselves furry because of the reputation garnered by Vanity Fair and CSI, but are doing everything they can to strengthen that reputation because they're "not a furry" and don't think it will effect them.

It's disingenuous and they're only hurting themselves, because when you look past the semantics the bottom line is the average Joe Bag O'Donuts doesn't care what you call yourself.
 
tl;dr: I like porn, but that's not all furry _is_ about, and it's why you don't catch me whining and pining for the Good Old Days of what furry "was" or "should be".

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at 12 May 2008: 13:15

>>23
Boy, you're really not that bright, are you? 

Honestly, I don't think I'm willing to bother with you any further, if you're that incapable of reading and interpreting information. 

Also: You really need to get some education, re: semantics (also: irony, ha!), because is this kind of discussion (yanno, about labeling groups, and who calls themselves what), you can't just 'look past the semantics' because it's a convenient way to make like the out-group is really to blame for the in-group's shit-filled nest. 

If you need an example of how labels change and are appropriated and re-appropriated by various groups to help you learn, there's always terms like 'n_gg_r' and 'f_g'.  Good luck, furry. 

Oh, and hey folks! All you jerks that were accusing ME of trying to force the 'furry' label on people?  Yeah, I think >>23 is the guy you want. 

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More Furry Than Furry at 12 May 2008: 14:25

>>24

No, no, not really. Your ad hominem aside I think I've done a very good job of interpreting information, tyvm. I'd go so far as to say I blew the sewer-cap off the true motivations of people who want to force us into these petty little divisions. Blaming the perverts for reputation problems is just a convenient way to divert attention from the fact that you're doing the same thing. Apologies if I seem to have little sympathy for people who complain about the reputation of the fandom but do nothing to fix it, but IMHO I think if this was such a big deal you should do something other than make the situation worse, don't you agree? It all seems fairly logical to me, at least.

tl;dr: You're complaining about a self-inflicted wound, and trying to rally an angry mob against the guy who's telling you to stop shooting yourself in the foot. Calm down already. Jeez.

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More Furry Than Furry at 12 May 2008: 14:34

>>24
 
Or to sum up my opinion in language you can understand:
 
Furry isn't just about the porn, or merely a designation for a fetish. It is what exactly it was intended to be: Anthro-critters/'funny animals', and the fans thereof.  Furries are adults who enjoy an idea that was previously just considered to be for children, because they believe that the concept of human-animal hybrids could be used for more than amusing preschoolers.
 
I'm not "forcing" the furry label on anyone. It is what it is, and it was like that long before I ever found out about it.

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at 12 May 2008: 18:36

>>26
You're...  Quoting me, as an argument against... Me?  Wait, how is this making me think you're smart again? 

Or are we pretending everything between when I gave the original meaning of the term and what the term means now just didn't happen? 

You call that "a very good job of interpreting information"?  Man, I wish you were my prof in college, I would have made you weep. 

If by not pretending it didn't happen, I make things worse, well tough shit.  Other than doing what I'm doing - explaining to n00bs how the meaning of furry and the 'focus' (or the perception thereof) of the fandom has changed, what exactly do you propose I should do to make it better? 

You sure don't seem to be doing much except yapping at me with your shoddy thinking and weak accusations, and your problem-solution platitudes. 

I don't think it can be fixed.  That's why I gave up.  Again, if that's a problem for you:  Tough shit.  And thus, so much for your logical reasoning as well. 

And I still think you suck at reading comprehension (and likely will until you show otherwise, so really, good luck), and you seem to suck at arguing on the internet as well, though that can really be considered a Good Thing(TM). 

And everyone eventually thinks I'm angry and agitated when I argue online, so I guess I'll live with that, whether it's true or not.  Or maybe I should use more smilies.  :) 

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More Furry Than Furry at 12 May 2008: 20:21

>>27

Quoting you? Nah. I just fixed yer argument cuz yer doing it wrong. You're imagining things are worse than they are, and blaming others for a problem you yourself admit you're perpetuating. It's obvious the problem isn't with the fandom, just your perception of it.
 
Sorry if I implied that you were angry and agitated about giving up. You don't sound bitter at all, honest. :)

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at 13 May 2008: 11:56

>>28
Oh, bitter, yeah.  I'm definitely bitter.  Bitter isn't angry, though, and that's where I was confused. 

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at 13 May 2008: 14:01

You are a furry if you have a load of furry porn. Also nobody really cares what you masturbate to, have fun with it but so what. If you really think it matters you are either 15 or a hopeless aspergers case.

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Captain Obvious at 13 May 2008: 16:41

You are a furry if you like anthropormorphic animal critters. Period.

Also: Water is wet.

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at 13 May 2008: 21:00

>>31
By jove, he's got it!

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Sen at 13 May 2008: 21:11

>>31
So my little 3 year old brother is furry because he likes watching Robin Hood and the Rescuers?

No. No I don't think so.

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Quoted For Truth at 13 May 2008: 23:52

I should rephrase that: You are a furry _fan_ if you like anthropomorphic animal critters.

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Draconis Khaan at 14 May 2008: 00:25

I've said this before: A furry is someone with a preference for anthropomorphic characters. Imagine that two works are identical except that one has anthropomorphic characters and the other doesn't. If the former sounds more appealing to you, then you're a furry. If not, then you're not.

I don't really see the need to complicate things more than that.

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at 14 May 2008: 01:20

>>35
What if you like both? Some things I'd like more if they were anthro, like furry comics. However, I wouldn't like many things I do if the characters involved were furry.

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Bizzle at 14 May 2008: 01:33

>>35
"Imagine that two works are identical except that one has anthropomorphic characters and the other doesn't. If the former sounds more appealing to you, then you're a furry. If not, then you're not."

I hate it when authors make their characters furry for no good reason.  Like their skunk character could have been a human, and it would change nothing.  Make them different, make it an important part of the plot, or don't do it at all.  I guess that means that I'm not furry.  Eh.

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Draconis Khaan at 14 May 2008: 02:38

>>36
Like I said, a furry *prefers* anthropomorphism. Otherwise, as >>33 pointed out, pretty much every child would be a furry.

>>37
Heh. As someone currently working on his first furry story, I wholeheartedly agree. It bugs me when I see "furry" characters basically indistinguishable from a human in a fursuit. It doesn't necessarily have to be a major plot point, but they could at least have the characters' species impact their personalities and outlooks, y'know? Ah, well...

Anyway, the example still works with stories where the furriness of the characters is "done right". Those changes are just part of the conversion to furry, just as it might be necessary to alter some things to take furry ergonomics into account.

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Khalil Wolf at 14 May 2008: 10:06

>>38

I don't see why it has to be a mutually exclusive either/or thing. As >>35 said there's no reason someone can't like both and still be a furry fan. Most people have more than one thing their interested in. It's a bit silly to say one of their interests should take precedence over their others.

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Bizzle at 14 May 2008: 12:52

>>38
Indeed, I would also love to see some species-related weaknesses to go along with the superhuman abilities furry characters invariably have.  No opposable thumbs or an inability to see the white light spectrum or an innate xenophobic distrust of other species or something like that would make for more interesting characters.

>>39
38 is 35.

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