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at 7 Jun 2008: 16:38

Obesity is an epidemic. People are getting fatter and fatter. And dying from it.

And I truly feel that too many parents today fucking suck at their job. They don't see it as a job at all; they don't feel any responsibility, they think their kid is just a little person for them to hang out with.

I don't know if the parents of yesteryear sucked at their job too. I'm only 22. But my parent(s) didn't, and as far as I saw neither did most of my friends'. They were only human, yea, and they fucked up a lot, but they tried.

Today, not all parents try.

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Bobtard at 7 Jun 2008: 17:42

Yesterday, not all parents try.

It's not a fucking epidemic. Maybe it's out of control, maybe it's ruthlessly out of control, but the word 'epidemic' is being misused by a bunch of whiny assholes that are trying to inspire fear in the general public, as always. The word epidemic should be reserved for, oh, I don't know, things like the goddamn black plague and bird flu, maybe ebola.

Parents today do suck. Parents yesterday sucked, and often sucked worse. I'll trade fat people over homophobic racist bigots anytime.

How can you properly account for you saying the same goddamn things that your parents and parents parents and parents parents parents all the way back to motherfucking socrates? Your anecdotes would hold more weight if people hadn't been complaining about how doomed the subsequent generation was for thousands of years.

Having gotten out of high school just two years ago, I can tell you that most of them were not fat, most of them did what their parents said and most of them were afraid of consequences. It's interesting that with all of the apparently dismal school grades and horrible retard children we are creating today, the IQ has been steadily rising throughout the generations (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/FLYNNEFF.html), maybe us and our parents are just fucking morons and the kids actually have some itty-bitty clue what they're talking about when they talk back to their parents perhaps?

I just get tired of hearing people's crap and feel like I'm the only one who remembers actually being a kid and having to deal with people saying the exact same thing.

*End of whiny faggotry

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at 8 Jun 2008: 04:26

>>15
What's wrong with treating your kid as someone you can hang out with? The problem in my view is that parents don't build any meaningful relationship with their kids. They don't want one, they merely expect one.

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at 8 Jun 2008: 06:15

There is nothing wrong with being "friends" with your child so long as you use the closeness of that relationship to actually enhance the parenting experience to better teach the child ethics, morals and stuff like that.

On a related note...there was a kid at the grocery store yesterday who was rearranging the ENTIRE FUCKING AMERICAN CHEESE display. He was touching and moving around every cheese, mixing them up. His mother was RIGHT THERE. Staring at him as he does this and on the phone with her friend. I didn't want to speak up and say anything because I kept thinking "any moment now she is going to stop him" but no, she didn't. She just ignored it. Next time if I see her(unlikely) i'm going to be a smartass and say "hey lady, wanna actually be a parent here?"

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Sen at 8 Jun 2008: 08:35

>>18
While I get the basic idea of what this guy's trying to say, anybody else get the notion that he's taking cheese WAY too seriously?

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at 8 Jun 2008: 08:56

>>19

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at 8 Jun 2008: 09:11

>>17

Not the "just".

Parents are acting like their kids are only there to entertain them.

At least the shitty parents from 50 years ago taught their kids to fear and obey them, and maybe taught them some values along the way.

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Bobtard at 8 Jun 2008: 12:31

>>18
>>21

What state do you live in? Do I live in some bubble of a perfect society or something? I hear about shit like this all of the time, yet I've never experienced such a thing first hand.

If that's the way everybody else is in every other part of the country or world, then I retract what I said before and agree that kids are fucked up today and parents suck worse, but the furthest deviation I've seen is a kid crying in the grocery store and the parent just sort of ignoring it. I will say that my aunt and uncle don't know how to raise a fucking kid. That kid is the biggest asshole and comes over and just slaps people and shit (he's like, 3 or 4 or something) and they just say in a calm voice "No sweety we don't do that." every third or fourth slap you get from him.

Even with that, I think most of you are taking the occasional extremely shitty parent and brat and extending that to all of the next generation. If this was a constant occurrence with every kid you saw or even 1/3 of the kids you saw, you wouldn't be able to go to the grocery store without just seeing the place in fucking chaos.

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at 8 Jun 2008: 14:00

>>16
"It was better before", that's the popular saying since the start of the humanity. And that wont change even in a perfect world, people are nostalgic by default, and of course they tend to have a selective memory in which holes seem to be filed whit thoughts of past almost perfect past times.    

Anyway, nice point on the words we used: like pandemic, worldwide, and so on. Seems that we have got used to the ways of the today’s (highly sensationalistic) media and started to copy them using their language in conversations.

But the point here is not directed towards yours generation. Most of the guys and girls here are probably of yours age (college students). Our criticism is directed towards today’s very young kids and their parents. Maybe this is because we are getting "old" and fell the need to act wise, or that good old nostalgia just clicked in.

BTW, results of IQ tests are not the only measurement of society progress. 


       

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Bobtard at 8 Jun 2008: 14:21

"BTW, results of IQ tests are not the only measurement of society progress. "

I know that, but there seems to be a somewhat common complaint amongst the "yesterday was better" crowd that kids now are dumber or somehow lacking in the good ol' common sense.

"But the point here is not directed towards yours generation. Most of the guys and girls here are probably of yours age (college students)."

I gathered as much, but that only makes it infinitely more frustrating knowing that my peers were hearing the exact same things said about them just a couple of years ago and now turning right around and doing it themselves with no apparent evidence to back up the claim other than some grocery store anecdotes and references to a mild increase in obesity as an "epidemic".

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at 8 Jun 2008: 17:25


Whats not being practiced anymore is discipline. Children are being so overprotected they themselves have no consequences. They can get away with A LOT more then my generation would of.

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Get of Fenris at 8 Jun 2008: 18:13

Kids these days suck.  Their parents let them get away with much more than ours did.  I for one don't really like children to begin with and would prefer to get high and run them over for fun if it would be legal.  But thats just me.  Anyone up for smokin a J' and firing kids out of a catapult?

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Androgynous at 9 Jun 2008: 08:18

I agree with the first two sentences in that post, and I'm a "kid these days."
Well, not exactly a KID, but close enough.
Children are totally fucking spoiled now. It's ridiculous. The best way to make a child unhappy is to give him everything he wants.

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at 9 Jun 2008: 17:11

Oh yeah, spoiled?
Well fuck that.

Atleast I'll know how to raise my children.
I learned that first hand from not having any money, dad always gone to work his ass off till he fuckin dropped dead right in the living room and 3 years later my mom did because she couldn't fucking take it anymore.

THAT's how it used to go back then, are you people serious that you want it to be like how it was back then? With all of today's hazards and the warfare going around, damn your PARENTS might not come home one day because they were shot in the HEAD due to those fucking idiots that REALLY got spoiled.
I mean, sure, the guys running around waving guns at each other SURE have EVERYTHING they want, that's why they start ROBBING people.

Man, fuck this I'm outta here.

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Desu Ex#SzKvZ3ztWU at 9 Jun 2008: 21:01

You wanna know WHY obesity is an epidemic?
http//www.dailymail.co.uk/...
Rest my case.

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Bobtard at 9 Jun 2008: 21:02

One kid is not an epidemic.

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at 10 Jun 2008: 04:11

>>30 13.4% is not one kid.

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at 10 Jun 2008: 08:26

A lot of women want to have a baby, but lose interest in the kid as soon as it gets out of diapers. It's like people who buy a puppy but don't want the fully grown dog that it becomes.

One woman I dated (she was in her late 20s, I'm probably a little older than most of you) told me that she would love to "just do the pregnancy thing without paying for it for 18 years". Honestly, those were her exact words!

The women I've met in their late 20s who want a baby, don't really want a child that they'll raise for 18 years, they just want:
- the attention of being pregnant
- a baby shower
- to decorate a nursery
- the attention of pushing a baby along in a stroller.
Taking an 8-year-old to a grocery store, or warning a 12-year-old about the dangers of drugs, is not on that list.

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procyon at 10 Jun 2008: 14:12

Your great grandparents in their youth-
reading a newspaper

Your grandparents in their youth-
listening to radio and reading newspaper

Your parents in their youth-
watching tv, listening to radio, and reading newspaper

Your children's parents in their youth-
posting on furry message boards

==================
hmmm...

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Deatzh at 12 Jun 2008: 15:55

>>32
But then when I tell people I don't want babies, they throw rocks at me.  "You're a woman, you should want more than anything else to reproduce!"

O_o

That's off topic, pardon.


As for cartoons (aimed at children) being questionable, I find it less-so in today's cartoons than in cartoons further back.  I personally choose to stay away from them, and stick to cartoons aimed at more mature audiences.

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at 12 Jun 2008: 15:58

>>32
Women are shallow and insane, anything giving them attention = good, anything requiring actual effort = bad

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Bobtard at 12 Jun 2008: 18:12

>>31

The post linked to a story about ONE KID becoming a fatass and claimed that that was the evidence for an epidemic. Regardless of whether or not there actually is an epidemic, submitting one fat kid as evidence is invalid. Smartass.

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at 12 Jun 2008: 22:27

>>36
The article used one child as a case-in-point, and states the bit about "13.4% of children under the age of 10 are obese" as a summation.

It also states this is up 9.9% over the last decade or so, which depending on the definition of 'epidemic' is fairly telling evidence of one. 

(FWIW A disease with a <3% death rate and a rate of contagion/spread less than that of the common cold was a ZOMG-epidemic!!1 media-circus not too long ago, so I'm guessing it doesn't take much to qualify something as 'epidemic' in the news.)

Try to read the whole thing next time, not-so-smart-ass. 

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at 13 Jun 2008: 04:17

Um... what do sudjestive situations in cartoons got to do with bad parenting and fat cabbage patch kids?

Can someone explain it to me again?

And as for about how obsene it is, wether you live in the US, Europe, or on the fuckin Moon, your gonna find out about it, and by then It whould be a REEAAALL!! Whoop de fuckin do!

I mean at look where we are. I bet when you first got here, you probably where in culture shock but after a while you almost don't care.

not tryin to prove anything; Im just sayin.

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Bobtard at 13 Jun 2008: 16:03

>>37

That little bit at the end was NOT a "summation". They didn't have some central thesis about how kids were ballooning outwards with a case-in-point sprinkled throughout as evidence. It was exclusively about the little kid and they off-handedly threw out that little tid-bit about obesity figures at the end. You can see this in plenty of news articles. Read an article in the local paper about a convenience store murder and they will throw out a figure about convenience store murders. That doesn't mean that the central point was about the number of convenience store murders.

You can't tell me that the post containing that link was meant to point us to some scientific "case-study" and statistical figures, it was obviously posted as a cynical "sign of the times" shock article. If the poster (whether it was you or someone else) truly wanted to post evidence of an "epidemic", they would've posted something like, oh, I don't know, http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r991026.htm
instead of an article that is almost exclusively about ONE KID with a little figure thrown in at the bottom of the page.

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Bobtard at 13 Jun 2008: 16:20

BTW, that article is an example of what it should've looked like, I know that that particular article is almost 10 years old.

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Bobtard at 13 Jun 2008: 17:23

>>37

But I think both you and I can agree, this is a stupid thing to start an argument about and derail this thread for with name calling (which I admit I started) and petty bullshit.

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at 13 Jun 2008: 20:19

>>1
i fail to see an issue here. the guns in bugs bunny, if anything show why you shouldn't (they constantly blew up in the guys face) and the guy with the gun ALWAYS lost.

to include the fact that some females might "like" each other in an out of the norm way is rather foolish and ignorant for a furry, as you seem to forget you like furry things in an out of the norm way.  the show chowder constantly points out the girl trying to get the guy (and probably doing some weird ass shit in the process) and yet you did not point that out.

as for assy mgee and other adult swim shows, meh. they aren't for 10 year olds. they are meant for teenagers who might get a laugh or two out of looking at retarded shit (retarded is the new hilarious)

also is it just me, or is everyone else off-topic?

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klokwrkblu at 13 Jun 2008: 23:14

>>42
Probably!!

I get overwhelmed at all the reading there is on this, and trying to understand it makes it even harder.

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at 14 Jun 2008: 01:49

Random topic injection:

How about the recently-noticed trend where cartoons featuring adult lead characters are being phased out in favor of those where children/teens are the only protagonists, sort-of marketdroid-speak for "kids can't relate to adult characters"-babble.

I didn't think much of the observation till I noticed all the new shows did infact adhere to this model. Saturday mornings are now a complete bore-fest on broadcast TV, and cable is...well, not much different.


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GreetingsFromEurope at 15 Jun 2008: 10:32

>>7
Actually, Europe censors violence and Nazi imagery (which is OK in the United States).
Sex, however, which is forbidden in the USA, is no problem in Europe.

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at 15 Jun 2008: 18:23

>>45

Whats up with that?

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at 15 Jun 2008: 21:59

>>46
Two words:  Puritan Forefathers. 

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at 16 Jun 2008: 00:52

Cartoons BECOMING questionable?!  I remember a Loony Toons episode where all of the shoes in a shoe store came to life.  One of the zippered boots was performing a strip tease below a spotlight in view of an audience of sexually frustrated, whistling boots.  There were enormous amounts of adulterous acts portrayed in this show (which I'm pretty sure was aimed towards children).  If they tried to pull a stunt like this today, they'd be pulled before the idea left the dark, sinister corners of their minds.

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at 16 Jun 2008: 19:09

>>47

Ah, the Puritans.

Remember how we were told they came to America to flee persecution for their religious views?

Turns out they were KICKED out of Europe and came here so they could PRACTICE persecution against those who didn't think the way they did.

And now we have evangelists.  Same sh*t, better wardrobe.

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at 16 Jun 2008: 22:10

>>7
>>45
in general europe is more tolerant of sex but less of violence, and nazi imagery isn't forbidden anywhere except germany (i think). but you can't apply a blanket statement like either of yours to the whole continent - censorship (whether government mandated or voluntary) varies wildly from country to country.

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at 17 Jun 2008: 02:03

>>49

"same shit, better wardrobe."

I dont know, i whould like to wear somthing like that, rather than a t shirt that says "how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up".



If it werent for these fashion nazis, id be wearing a toga.

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at 17 Jun 2008: 02:27

>>51

LOINCLOTHS!

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at 17 Jun 2008: 03:14

I SAID TOOOGGA!!


but enough about that.

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David at 17 Jun 2008: 23:54

>>50
>in general europe is more tolerant of sex but less of violence

I honestly don't understand why people say that their censorship system is superior. It's complete BS. Playing Grand Theft Auto or whatever sure as hell is not going to make an ordinary kid wake up one morning and think "I'm going to beat up some hookers." The anti-violence Purtianism of the left is every little bit as bad as the anti-sex from the right.

And Germany has such a paranoid attitude twoard Nazi related materials that it's hurt people trying to have legitamite historical debates (Example: Was Hitler necessary for the Holocaust? No Hitler, no holocaust?).

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