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at 16 Aug 2008: 12:00
>>6 Most porn isn't art. Some of it is, but most if doesn't even come close.
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at 16 Aug 2008: 14:07
That definition of porn makes it sound like the stimulation of sexual desire is somehow a bad thing. And that definition of art ... well, lets just say that 'art' galleries and I have vastly different views on the definitions of 'beautiful', and 'significant' I see nothing even interesting in random paint splatters, but the artist that just throws paint at a canvas will make more on their art in a given year than a furry artist *boggle*
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SomeRandomCheetah at 16 Aug 2008: 17:10
>>8 truth FTW, also, fchan is probably 80-99.8% porn most of the time, FA has a much larger art content in my opinion, but to be honest, fchan has it's moments, i've seen some really wonderfull charcoal drawings on here that were just amazing.
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at 16 Aug 2008: 19:09
The fact that the word "significant" is in the definition of art makes it plainly obvious that porn is not and will never be art.
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klokwrkblu at 16 Aug 2008: 22:29
It can be considered art, but its in bad taste.
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David at 16 Aug 2008: 22:31
If the French people can take a urinal, put it on a pedestal, name it "Fountain", and then call it 'art'-- we Anglo-Americans ought to be able to call all this 'art' too.
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at 17 Aug 2008: 12:05
Art is art and has many different clasifications such as abstract, landscape, wildlife, still life and so on. Porn is just one clasification of art.
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at 17 Aug 2008: 17:18
>>12 I'm so tired of people bringing this up. Why don't you do a little research and figure out why fountain is a famous dada sculpture. Every great art movement is reactionary, a reaction to another movement or to some aspect of society. Given how stupid you think fountain is, you really should think its extremely clever.
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at 17 Aug 2008: 19:25
porn something you fap to art stuff bored rich people spend time and money on and pretend to understand therefore, porn.
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David at 18 Aug 2008: 00:32
>Given how stupid you think fountain is, you really should think its extremely clever. "There's a fine line between clever and stupid." -- David St. Hubbins P.S: I didn't say it was bad, or wrong... nor did I criticize the people who made it and called it 'art'. So there's no need to have an emotive reaction.
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at 18 Aug 2008: 18:05
My definition of porn is "Anything you suddenly loose interest in after cumming.". After all, if it had artistic value it would still be interesting when I'm not playing tug'o'war with the cyclops. By that definition most of the stuff here is porn, although I would actually call a few things art as well.
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at 18 Aug 2008: 19:45
>>17 Ha! I _KNEW_ Picasso's crap wasn't art!
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Mako at 18 Aug 2008: 20:20
Porn is art. Art's purpose is to evoke a reaction. Some art wishes to evoke a reaction from your heart, or mind. Porn's goal is a reaction from your pants, and it can accomplish that goal quite well. People who simply dismiss porn as smut have to be quite prudish.
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Draconis Khaan at 19 Aug 2008: 01:19
>>19 By that reasoning, insults and trolling are art as well. People need to admit that properly defining "art" is just not possible.
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Mako at 20 Aug 2008: 20:01
Hmm... very good point. But if one can not define art, doesn't that change what can be classified under "artistic expression"? If "art" can not be defined, then rather everything or nothing is protected as such.
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at 20 Aug 2008: 22:47
OMG i hate it when people try to sound smart in front of people they have never met before, or will never meet, or will ever have much inflence in they're lives, i meen really! You just end up sounding like an a-hole.
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Draconis Khaan at 21 Aug 2008: 02:48
>>21 That is the legislative problem, yes. I fall more towards the "everything" side, personally. I'm not suggesting that literally everything in the world should be considered "art", but I find that most definitions are too strict. I just think it's better to accidentally protect some things that aren't really art than to deny protection to some things that are.
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Mako at 21 Aug 2008: 17:30
>>22 Someone's insecure... The beauty and problem of anonymity is one can express, or be exposed to things they normally would not otherwise. In this case, it's positive, I was exposed to a perspective I had not before considered. Should try it sometime.>>23 I see it the same way, so i guess my point is more an error in semantics, then in principle.
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at 21 Aug 2008: 22:37
The definition of art is relative. However, the definition of porn is not. Everyone can tell when something is porn with a few tiny areas of contention. But art is defined differently for different people. My opinion: All porn ('cept for /c/, o' course). Mostly all horrible scribbles.
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Trickster at 22 Aug 2008: 00:04
Both words are defined as creative. That's all I really need to know.
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Draconis Khaan at 22 Aug 2008: 01:31
>>25 Just because a character is nude, does that automatically make it porn? Just because a character isn't nude, does that automatically make it "art"? If someone with an extremely obscure fetish takes an artist's clean image that accidentally falls into their fetish and shares it as wank material, does it suddenly stop being art and become porn?
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Mako at 23 Aug 2008: 09:11
Also even if the intention is to be arousing, why would sexuality make something less artisitc?
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STEAM! at 23 Aug 2008: 16:45
alright, here is my opinion. An art is anything which requires creativity and is used as an expression of one's interests, emotions, thoughts or personality. To an auto mechanic, the cars he fixes/builds are his art. To an architect, the structures he designs are his art. To Picasso his well... art was his art. To a writer his words are his art. and in the same way a furry artist's random sexy dog girl is art. Just because it may be considered in bad taste, or from perverted origins, doesn't mean that it isn't art. If it wasn't art we wouldn't have this site, our fandom would never have formed, and FA would be a pet supply ad with links to other ads. Because making porn takes creativity, you have to picture what you want, how it will be posed, the medium it will be forged from and the air of emotion that it brings. If porn wasn't art it would all be the same, no one would have a preference for any artist, because there would be no artists and no images. and honestly, who wants to fap to a white screen or a peice of blank paper? don't answer that.
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at 23 Aug 2008: 16:57
>>29 I agree completely furry ARTists are called artists for a reason... They have their own style and everything
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at 24 Aug 2008: 04:05
Art is in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't have to be pleasant or 'moral'.
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at 24 Aug 2008: 18:09
I agree with Scott McCloud's broad definition: any deliberate act of expression is a form of art.
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at 5 Feb 2009: 13:54
>>12 I hate to sound stuck up, but you missed the point of that sculpture. It was actually a mockery of high art, not to be taken seriously.
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at 5 Feb 2009: 14:37
Art is art. Seriously though, it depends on the definition you use. To some, any form of expression through a medium is an art. Therefore ANYTHING can be an art whether it's dance, singing, drawing, sculpting, etc. To me, the only person who gets to decide whether it's art or not is the artist in question. If someone says "wow, that's art" and the person who made it goes "nah, I don't consider it art", then it's not art.
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Wolfie at 5 Feb 2009: 21:20
I consider it art, many people may call it porn but only because the the sexual aspect of it. I agree with post 34 completely ^.^
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at 5 Feb 2009: 21:53
My definition of porn is "anything you immediately lose interest in after cumming" and by that definition some of it is porn and some is art.
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at 6 Feb 2009: 00:00
Yes.
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LordOfRats at 6 Feb 2009: 00:20
Well, here's my definitions that I strictly adhere to in my daily life: Art: Noun; A means of transferring emotions from one individual to another, usually through images or sounds. Art is expressed, not created. Porn: Noun; Imagery (mental or otherwise) in which an otherwise sentient being is depicted as an object to appease the viewer's desires or lust. So, just because it's erotic doesn't make it porn, and just because it's a drawing or sequence of sounds doesn't make it art. Nothing on this site should be porn. Furries are a personification and porn is an objectification, so the two should cancel out. As an artist, I find that it doesn't matter what the audience thinks. Most people are idiots, anyway 0_o
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at 6 Feb 2009: 10:18
Who the fuck cares? The OP just wants to know if he can defend fapping to images on fchan as "admiring art". Furries tend to throw the term "art" around them anywhere they go to sound like it's something special they look at or they draw. Art is a subjective term anyway. Just do what you like but don't play with those high minded terms to make something more important than it actually is.
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at 7 Feb 2009: 08:44
>>29 for the win!!
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at 7 Feb 2009: 08:45
porn art you fap to art something artists use to create porn therefore, art.
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AKA at 7 Feb 2009: 11:54
>>39 That's right, art is subjective. In that instance, there's not a single correct or incorrect answer... I guess that's for the person to make up in their own mind.
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at 7 Feb 2009: 20:43
why not just call it pornographic art?
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at 8 Feb 2009: 22:37
I don't know why we're still discussing this after post >>17 . >>36 was nice enough to remind us all, but for some reason we don't all agree with 17. Why? This is a perfect definition.
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Deatzh at 8 Feb 2009: 23:13
>>44 I don't know why we're still discussing a topic from six months ago. I also don't know why people are insisting on breathing life into topics that are, like, three years old.
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at 9 Feb 2009: 07:15
There's a huge difference between artwork and a work of art. A creation isn't instantly "artistic". There has to be talent backing it. I think a fear of failure or insult is what has people so insistent to have everything they do or see labeled as a work of art. Sorry but that's simply not how it works.
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