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Falcon at 11 Dec 2008: 12:49
http://fchan.me/read.php/dis/1204764192/1-40
The thread is still there. It's accessible to anyone who wants to read it. Several topics in /faq speak directly to the issue as well.
We have very few rules here, and most visitors don't have an issue abiding by them. Nobody said the topic wasn't open for discussion, we only asked that it not be discussed further here. It was the best way to separate those who bitch for the sake of bitching and those with legitimate arguments. The latter will gladly write an email or visit the IRC channel.
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Nadia# Etoile at 11 Dec 2008: 15:48
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Arguing with Falcon over this makes no difference. He has no control over it. I set the rule, and he is as bound by it as you are. That is just the way it is, grow up, get over it, get over yourself, and have a nice day.
I should note, for your sake, arguing this with me is not an option. I will not argue it with you. I do not argue with people who do not treat my Moderators with respect. I remove them.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 15:10
"grow up,"
Oh, sorry, I was unaware that being an adult meant never disagreeing and arguing with people. I guess that the rest of the world is just misinformed.
"get over it,"
How about this: No.
"get over yourself"
Looks like the only person here that needs to get over their self is you. I was arguing with something said. Falcon responded in what I consider an intelligent and thoughtful way, and you came in with so much chest beating and threats. How mature of you. I understand that I am not entitled to anything on this site. But that doesn't mean you aren't being an asshole for acting the way you are.
"and have a nice day."
I am, but last I checked, I didn't need your permission to do so.
"I do not argue with people who do not treat my Moderators with respect. I remove them."
Oh, and I suppose that the "disrespect" was me putting the "-the fuck-" part in my comment eh? Or was it just the fact that I talked back? I mean, I could see if I had just been flaming and a nasty troll, but that comment up there warranted the threat of a ban? And I'm the one that needs to grow up and get over myself... well, I've argued with you, better go ahead and ban me now. "Ask and you shall receive."
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at 12 Dec 2008: 16:47
>>44 The point is that if you want to argue this, DO IT IN THE IRC CHANNEL OR EMAIL.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 17:09
>>45 No, I believe that that was Falcon's point, brown-noser, and >>44 was engaging in a completely different argument with Nadia. Try to keep up, and try not to brown nose so much.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 17:20
>>46 There's a difference between brown nosing and respecting the rules of the site and moderators. You don't brown nose the law, you respect them. (unless there's no alternative, but that is not the case here)
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at 12 Dec 2008: 17:22
>>46 And on that note, >>44 claims he can't disagree and argue, which is relevant to my point, which is that you can disagree/argue on this topic, in the irc channels and email. How am I off-topic?
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at 12 Dec 2008: 17:51
>>47 That's a classic example of brown nosing. You can follow the rules, but you don't have to embrace the rules, which is exactly what "respecting" them is, and is exactly what you're doing. You're lecturing about following the fucking rules and you're sucking up to the mods by the very fact that you act so incensed that I would question them.
>>48 Falcon already made that point. I didn't disagree with that point. I wasn't going to say anything more on this until Nadia came in making threats and that was the topic at hand. You're behind.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 18:13
>>49 >>44 Fine, if you insist, I'll just go over your points.
-Oh, sorry, I was unaware that being an adult meant never disagreeing and arguing with people. I guess that the rest of the world is just misinformed. --Answered in >>42 : "Nobody said the topic wasn't open for discussion, we only asked that it not be discussed further here."
-How about this: No. --Answered in >>47, key phrase "respecting the rules (unless there's no alternative)" : "There's a difference between brown nosing and respecting the rules of the site and moderators. You don't brown nose the law, you respect them. (unless there's no alternative, but that is not the case here)"
-Looks like the only person here that needs to get over their self is you. I was arguing with something said. Falcon responded in what I consider an intelligent and thoughtful way, and you came in with so much chest beating and threats. How mature of you. I understand that I am not entitled to anything on this site. But that doesn't mean you aren't being an asshole for acting the way you are. --The fact is that you posted (or continue to contribute) to a thread that should never have existed here. There are alternatives available, see first point.
-I am, but last I checked, I didn't need your permission to do so. --I believe that's a form of courtesy. Most company -based automatic email contains that message.
-Oh, and I suppose that the "disrespect" was me putting the "-the fuck-" part in my comment eh? Or was it just the fact that I talked back? I mean, I could see if I had just been flaming and a nasty troll, but that comment up there warranted the threat of a ban? And I'm the one that needs to grow up and get over myself... well, I've argued with you, better go ahead and ban me now. "Ask and you shall receive." --The fact is that you posted (or continue to contribute) to a thread that should never have existed here. There are alternatives available, see first point.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 18:40
Point number 1: Falcon's answer told which avenues where proper to argue (and not just argue in general, but to argue on the cub topic specifically), I was responding to Nadia telling me to "grow up", as though my having tried to argue in the first place was childish.
Point number 2: I don't know what the fuck your point is here. Last I checked, "get over it" was not a rule, and even if it was, it's not something that they really have jurisdiction over.
Point number 3: I understand the alternatives. I have not continued to contribute anything to the cub/incest topic, which is what they're asking us not to argue about on the discussion board. As a matter of fact, I never actually contributed to that topic at all.
Keep in mind, they said not to discuss that particular topic. I only first asked why they would ask us not to discuss it any more, and then dropped THAT topic right after Falcon responded. Then Nadia came in flashing the badge, and I then argued with THAT.
Point 4: I know it's a form of courtesy, I wasn't seriously arguing with that. I was being a smart ass.
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at 12 Dec 2008: 18:45
To sum it up basically, they've asked that we not discuss the cub/incest topic here, not that we couldn't discuss any other topic here. I never discussed the cub topic here, so what you're telling me isn't really relevant to anything.
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ナディア at 12 Dec 2008: 23:13
>>52 さよなら!
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Falcon at 13 Dec 2008: 00:57
Let's a huddle around the fireplace for a moment of candid honesty with the resident raptor, shall we? Maybe grab some cocoa, a little Bailey's...
I might come across as eloquent but trust me, it's not always easy. The deleted post before mine was written by me and wasn't so well thought-out. The line 'Do you really need to cause more drama...' is hard to read without feeling as though it were an accusation.
It's a rare occasion when Nadia posts these days, but her word is the one that carries the most weight. She might not have established Fchan, but she established the Fchan we know today.
I try my best to communicate with people and answer their questions. Sometimes it feels I do more harm than good by doing it. Every poster is an individual: some have legitimate queries, others try to goad us into arguing because they like the sound of their own voice. It takes a lot of experience and a good sense of politics to be an effective moderator. I've been trying to learn on the fly, so please bare with me.
There are only a few more points I'd like to make. The discussion of cub is banned. Period. There has been enough drama over this one subject to meet the quota for the next decade. Nobody complains to the city because they can't smoke in restaurants anymore. Nobody complains to YouTube because they can't post hardcore porn on the site. It's simple accepted as the way it is. This is the way it is here.
As for calling those who are equally tired of seeing this thread stay way off-topic 'brown-nosers', keep this in mind. It's kind of hard to gain anyone's favour by making an unsigned post.
Now let's all take a deep breath, think before we write (I know.. but I deleted it) and try to get along. This is one of the few places where a person can say 'sexy dragon cock' and not draw a bunch of disgusted, confused stares. I like to think of this place as a community. The less quarreling amongst ourselves, the better it is for everyone.
Once again, thank you if you took the time to read this. This place might make a bird want to pull his feathers out at times, but I wouldn't give it up for anything.
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at 13 Dec 2008: 14:46
Wow, took you longer than I expected to ban me.
>>54 You know, I like you. You actually seem to give a shit. But you seem a bit naive, and like someone with a malleable mind that Nadia will have lots of fun molding to her will.
"she might not have established Fchan, but she established the Fchan we know today."
I HATE fchan as it exists today. I hope Nadia gets horrible horrible cancer. Sure, lots of people are okay with how it is, that doesn't mean that it's not poorly managed. You can all have fun acting as though I'm going to feel put down by pointing out that I'm the only one bitching. I really don't give a fuck. Everybody else on this site can all go swallow dog shit for all I care.
(USER WAS -BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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at 13 Dec 2008: 16:27
>>55 And this is why you have no friends...
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at 13 Dec 2008: 17:48
Oh no. I was banned again.
I have no friends? Gee, how did you know? I cry myself to sleep every night knowing that I don't have these people as friends...
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