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at 22 Jul 2009: 16:07

>>1

You'd subconsciously like to be with guys if they'd let you get away with it. Furry porn is bringing your latent sexuality to the surface. Male human beings have a lot of intimidating identity baggage with it, and that gets in the way of you getting the hots for human guys.

Furry guys -- different world, alternate universe. The observer makes his own rules in his head. In other words, "You'd like to be with a guy if you lived on a different world ran by different ethical values you percieve through furry artwork".

You may like gals on this world, but if you could leave your identity behind and secretly go to another world in the privacy of your mind free from condemnation -- you'd hit that.

You are gay -- or at least bisexual. Enjoy the long road of realizing you like, biblically, traits in other guys you possess or desire to possess in yourself -- and that there is nothing wrong with that.

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at 22 Jul 2009: 16:45

>>15

yeah really nice story, you should be a motivational speaker.

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at 22 Jul 2009: 21:06

>>16
And you should be a jackass...oh wait...

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at 23 Jul 2009: 03:09

>>15
Actually, I know I don't speak for the OP, but I found myself in a situation completely identical to the OP's, and I have to disagree with what you propose.

I am attracted to both human and furry females, but only furry males, not human males. This no subconscious thing wherein I don't like them simply because to the social rules applied by this world. I am simply not attracted to human guys, they disgust me, yet I find it I am not similarly disgusted with furry males (well, some furry guys DO look disgusting)

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Baidn at 23 Jul 2009: 06:46

>>1
 This actually sounds like a definition of bi-curious. 

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at 23 Jul 2009: 14:49

Stick one in your mouth, see how you like it.

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at 23 Jul 2009: 18:57

>>18

Exotic is erotic?

http://www.psychwiki.com/wiki/Bem's_Exotic_Becomes_Erotic_Theory

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at 23 Jul 2009: 19:58

>>18
Agree with him here
>>21
Huh, this makes a reasonable amount of sense, for any fur. I mean, personally I'm not attracted to guys- the physiology is bleh. I'm attracted to human girls though enough. However when it comes to anthropomorphic... I'm damn well attracted to the idea of having sex with both at the same time. And if that isn't exotic then I don't know what is. Think I understand how that works well enough. Exotic! Erotic!

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at 23 Jul 2009: 22:54

>>18

I have the same reactions you do.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that humans get a lot of their information about prospective mates by looking at their faces. Since we basically, in furry, put an animal's head on a human body it makes it easier to appreciate the body- even if it's male- as a purely sexual thing rather than all the emotional and psychological "baggage" (I use the term loosely) you feel when you look at the face of a human male. Replacing the human face removes the natural predispositions/blockages we have.

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at 24 Jul 2009: 10:28

>>23

put an animal's head on a human body it makes it easier to appreciate the body ... purely sexual thing rather than all the emotional and psychological "baggage" (I use the term loosely) you feel when you look at the face of a human male. Replacing the human face removes the natural predispositions/blockages we have.


o_Ô

But the "furry porn is latent sexuality comming to the surface" is the point that >>15 presented, and >>18 challenged. "When the emotional and psychological "baggage" of the human male is lifted what's left is the sex ...". -- that's the whole argument that liking gay furry porn is repressed homosexuality.

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at 24 Jul 2009: 12:50

>>24

>>18, speaking

I think we can agree that in a fantasy there is no emotional baggage, that everything that happens is for purely sexual attraction and nothing else. If liking gay furry porn were repressed homosexuality, then I would be attracted to human males, at least within the bounds of a fantasy, but this is not the case.


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at 24 Jul 2009: 13:12

>>24

Not exactly. Because humans evolved to focus so much on each others' faces in everyday interactions, it is primarily through the face that we get indications of "male" or "not male." Furry art largely removes the "this is a male" signals we look for and in so doing we're we're sort of "tricked" into becoming aroused.

I think it is similar to a friend of mine- he absolutely hates playing football, and yet on occasion loves to play the Madden NFL 08 videogame with his buddies. The reason he likes Madden 08 is because all the things he doesn't like about real football- getting tackled, mud, and (in my opinion) exercise (lol) aren't in Madden 08.

I suppose you could still say that if he enjoys Madden 08 he enjoys football, but having played both I rather think that they're almost entirely different experiences. He enjoys football without the "football" of it.


When I used the term "baggage" I meant it not in the same sense as >>15 did- as in the absorbed social norms a guy is likely to have, but something much deeper that goes into our fundamental psychology. Some guys are just wired to be attracted to guys, some are not, and some of us seem to have found a way to short-circuit our wiring by using imaginary furry guys instead of real ones. We do that by removing the main things that tell our brains we're looking at a man, which happen to be in a man's face.

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at 24 Jul 2009: 14:01

>>26

>>18, speaking again, I really need a name...

You seem to think that simply because it isn't human that it's not male. I can look at many furry faces and see men, as opposed to women.

 My brain doesn't 'remove' anything that says it's a man. I'm not tricking my brain into think it's a chick, my brain isn't that stupid. My brain knows full well it's a guy, from his dick, to his male-looking face, to general body structure. And then I proceed to fap to it anyway.

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at 24 Jul 2009: 15:55

>>26

Sorry, but, the whole cock and balls part of a man is going to produce a far more jarring signal of 'maleness' than anything on your face. The thing you are attracted to is male, you know it's male because of the exquisitely detailed furry penis. But why do you fap to it anyway? The reason is because you are gay/bi.

not all gay men are interested in all other males, mind, because some only like men with certain traits. Some would never even conceive of sleeping with another guy believe it or not, but that does not make them any 'less' gay. They are not 'half-straight' or anything like that because the defining factor in being gay is having some sort of sexual interest in the same gender as you.

also, let's dissolve the concept of 'fantasies' for a second to ask the simplest question here: If you had the chance to have REAL physical contact with a furry male of your particular choice, would you boink him? Probably so.

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at 24 Jul 2009: 19:20

>>28

Your second paragraph, especially, makes a compelling argument, as far as considering ones self gay or not. However, in day to day life furries just about never come up, so why consider yourself gay when it's such a small and unimportant part of your life?

I normally say I'm straight around those unfamiliar with furries and asy I'm bi those that aren't.

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at 25 Jul 2009: 01:40

I think as long as all happens inside a fantasy it doesn't mean that much. You know, fantasy or porn are something different compared to real life sexuality. We all have fantasies that we'd rather not live out or are even really uncomfortable when actually tried IRL. There are things I fantasize about but wouldn't want to try with my girlfirend, actually. For example, watersport is a fantasy turn-on for me, but tried it once IRL and I'll probably never EVER attempt to do that. It's still a nice fantasy.

I think the same applies to the topic discussed. You can fantasize about what you want, but if it grosses you out the moment you'd try it IRL you know where you are standing.

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at 25 Jul 2009: 07:10

>>1

On the internet, or in any fantasy setting or setting other than real life, it's fair to say that the limiters of a heteronormous society are removed.  If you consider the possibility that every man (and woman) is far more likely to fall within a broad spectrum in regard to his or her sexuality (taking after the views, supplanted with research, of Kinsey) than to be 100% "straight" or "gay", it logically follows that you and the wide majority of males are apt to eventually discover feelings of this sort.

Another quite detrimental fallacy is the idea that one's sexuality is something that is set in stone, possibly even from birth (unfortunately this seems to be the argument du jour of today's homosexual advocacy groups). I consider this notion to be both antiquated and a source of needless internal conflict.

Lest I be misquoted, let me underscore this post with the following: I am not a homophobe, nor a heterophobe, nor prejudiced against any wavelength on the spectrum therein.

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at 25 Jul 2009: 09:06

I think it's possible to be gay, or at least inclined to be gay without being homosexual. I consider myself to be heterosexual, but culturally I like a lot of things that are gay. I can be turned on by an attractive male body, including my own, but I know I don't want to engage in any intimate sexual activity with another man's parts and that never enters my fantasies; I find it off-putting.

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Germanguy19 at 25 Jul 2009: 15:42

>>12
What do you mean?
I never told anybody besides the people on this board and here I am anonymous.

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at 26 Jul 2009: 02:29

>>33

that's true but don't be to sure.

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at 28 Jul 2009: 13:23

Ok this is the topic creator. The only gay stuff I fap to is fem-boi kinda stuff. I could never EVER be with another male it's just something I fap to, it doesn't determin if I am gay or not.

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Topic Creator at 28 Jul 2009: 13:23

Ok this is the topic creator. The only gay stuff I fap to is fem-boi kinda stuff. I could never EVER be with another male it's just something I fap to, it doesn't determin if I am gay or not.

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at 28 Jul 2009: 15:49

>>36

I'm curious what you think does determine if you're gay or not then.

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Wolfie at 30 Jul 2009: 02:07

I dont know ... this is kinda a weird subject . i really dont mind looking at gay furrie art but i could never be with another guy...i guess its the animal feature or the art. or both....

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at 30 Jul 2009: 02:17

You're not gay until you've actually slept with a guy and decided you liked it- everything up to that point is just speculative fantasy. Same goes for being straight. If you're a virgin you're a virgin.

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at 30 Jul 2009: 02:32

>>39
facepalm.jpg

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at 30 Jul 2009: 05:23

>>39

Virginity is not a sexuality.

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at 31 Jul 2009: 18:07

>>37

Me wanting to me with real life males. Which I will not be doing.

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at 31 Jul 2009: 23:58

idk if anyone has said this yet but im just gonna put in my own 2 cents. if >>15 is correct than anyone who chubs their chicken to furry porn also secretly wants to screw animals.
 

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at 1 Aug 2009: 02:41

>>26

This has always been my take on it. Instead of seeing a male face, you see a dogs face. Yes, you can tell it is a dude by the penis, but the face is the most important part.

>>27
And in regards to this, i feel that it is different for every person. Just like our sexual preference, our brain function is not set in stone. I mean, I have nothing to back this up of course, I am no psychologist. But when you look at the amount of people in this thread who agree with the op, it makes you think that there might not be one answer to it. And I'm damn sure that your view on the gay furry porn is shared by thousands others. I can also make the assumption that there are thousands of others who share my opinion as well, in terms of the face not screaming out the typical signs of a man, thus turning you off.

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at 1 Aug 2009: 04:11

>>44

seriously?

the vast majority of the world would agree that someone who likes gay porn is gay, regardless of whether it's a 'fantasy' or not.

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at 1 Aug 2009: 14:02

>>43

Hello. >>15 here. I do. I do want to screw animals -- animals that walk on two legs. Get it?

But I hardly find my attraction to human carnal behavior an excuse to choking the chicken to another guy. That's pretty obviously gay.

Animal-human: explainable sex symbology of human carnality. But gender is very straight foreward. Stroking your meat to something with a penis and claiming you're not gay is denial.

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at 1 Aug 2009: 14:16

Everyone is different.

You can't claim to know them. Denial? For some, maybe. For a lot of others, no.
Your choice to be gay, straight, bi, etc, you get the point. No one elses.



Besides, if you're honestly basing your sexuality off of furry artwork, you *really* need to get out more. Pretty much why we have so many fucking teenagers running around the fandom claiming to be gay because they say the "artwork turned them gay".

Take away the fandom and the artwork, at least 60% of the fandom who has claimed they're gay, will suddenly be straight or at least bisexual.


Stop basing your sexuality on artwork you nitwits. Go out and fuck a guy/girl, whichever floats your boat. Decide on that. Or something other than artwork. You're an idiot if you base it on artwork.


I, personally, say no to either of them, but that's just me.


tl;dr
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at 1 Aug 2009: 17:17

>>47

It's your choice to sleep with someone or not, that's true, but you don't have a choice as to what you are predisposed to liking. OP's case is such that he is predisposed to liking furry males, and I imagine he would sleep with them if they were real, in which case he would be gay even by his own standards.

Also, how can you claim we don't know them while also stating that 60% of the fandom is gay under a pretense? Artwork introduces a hypothetical situation where you ask yourself 'what would I do under these circumstances?'

Sometimes people don't really do what they think they will do when actually introduced to a hypothetical situation, but it usually happens because they don't feel comfortable doing it because of social pressures or something, not because they don't WANT to. OP's case seems to be that he would want to, but because of certain outside influences he's convinced himself otherwise.

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at 3 Aug 2009: 12:05

>>48

Op here, Reading the bottom paragraph I see what you mean. But while it does make since, I just don't want to sleep with guys. Not because of I want to but outside sources keep from doing so.

So like I said before "If it's hot, fap, If it's not move on."

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Joe Strike at 7 Aug 2009: 07:17

>>1
"Ok lately I've been looking to a lot of gay furry art. Here is the problem, I'm not gay nor am I bisexual. So is this normal or what?"

What - that it exists or that you're looking at it? I'd only "worry" I were gay if it was giving me a woody (Ha-ha-ha-HA-ha!) so bad I wanted to find a guy do that kind of REPULSIVE DISGUSTING DIRTY FILTHY stuff with him for real ;-)

I'm "straight" too & personally I don't care for any furry art, gay or straight that (to my eyes) is overly explicit unless the situation is deliberately funny/goofy. Otherwise I prefer art that's more interested in creating a sensual mood & the characters' personalities. (I'm a huge fan of Zen's work on Fur Affinity, for example.)

>>32
"I consider myself to be heterosexual, but culturally I like a lot of things that are gay."

I like to say I tried to be gay - did great on the written test but flunked the physical...

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Joe Strike at 7 Aug 2009: 07:22

>>43
"if >>15 is correct than anyone who chubs their chicken to furry porn also secretly wants to screw animals."

Wow, good point - however, I suspect there are more than a few non-furs in the world who believe that too. (BTW, did you ever notice how many slang words for the penis are animal names?)

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at 9 Aug 2009: 16:32

I think one of the reasons that so much sexual confusion comes up in relation to furry is how a lot of gay or bi furry artists draw their male characters. The extreme twinks have very feminine faces and bodies, oftentimes to the degree that it would be physically impossible (in before human/animal hybrids) in a human male (hips to shoulders ratio, for example). Many are drawn to such a degree that were the genitals obstructed, the character would be assumed to be female.

If you are fapping to pictures like this, I would say the furriness and femininity are what you are actually attracted to. I'm straight and I certainly don't fap to pictures of vaginas. I'm attracted to the female body and face.

If you are fapping to big, butch guys with giant cocks (gideon or something) then maybe you need to think about your sexuality a little more. 

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at 10 Aug 2009: 00:37

>>52

That's a big part of it.  Many male furries are very effeminate, and even the more butch ones look very clean with solid colors and gradients.    There is a big difference between most drawn furries and real life males even beyond feminine traits.  Some people are turned on by male furries because it depicts what they wish they looked like, whether that is small and lithe or big and butch.

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at 11 Aug 2009: 00:30

>>39
That's a terrible way to determine sexuality.

That's like saying you can't have a stance on anything without experiencing it first, which, for some things, may be true, but for most it's not.

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