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Should I out myself as a furfag at school?

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1 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 00:21 Some people I know already suspect it, so should I just admit to it?
2 Report (sage)	at 20 Feb 2010: 01:14 no you shouldn't announce it off the bat unless it is the last time you see everyone... once you say it everything will be a brave new world for you
3 Report (sage)	KS at 20 Feb 2010: 02:26 You were able to post something with that word in it? The discussion board works differently than the imageboard, I take it. I don't see why you think you need to announce it to people, unless it fits well with the situation. You don't run into a science classroom and talk about what kind of music you like. 2/10 though. I'd say to use it at the end of a long post next time, but that's one of the words you just can't post here.
4 Report	GG20 at 20 Feb 2010: 02:37 Short answer no long answer noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo There are some things the public just doesn't want to know and this is one of those things. One of the reasons furries get so much hate is that some furs, okay a lot of furs, think that being a furry is a sexuality instead of a kink and that everyone needs to know. By the way, why do some people suspect that you are a furry?
5 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 03:02 >>1 It shouldn't even bother you enough to even mention it; its none of there business.
6 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 03:20 absolutely. you should be PROUD of the fact that you are a furry, especially if you are gay.
7 Report	Alexis Massey-Ryan at 20 Feb 2010: 03:47 Its an intriguing prospect, I don't see any reason to stand up in front of your whole school and say "I'm furry, gay and proud of it" but if anyone asks you might find upfront honesty without being exhibitionist about it just so liberating for yourself and you may find other people who were afraid to talk about things before may approach you. Just be aware you may face derision, to be honest there is truly nothing to be embarrassed about so anyone who is taking the mickey is likely going to be someone too immature to handle such topics. I'd love yo hear back about what happens by the way m8 :)
8 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 10:40 Would you be interested in learning some random idiot at your school is really into BDSM and thinks everybody needs to know about it?
9 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 12:15 >>4 They suspect it because I am reluctant to join the fursecution bandwagon when I'm with them.
10 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 12:52 >>9 If they're doing that, then you honestly have no reason to tell them.
11 Report	Anonymouse at 20 Feb 2010: 16:20 >>1 First off whatever you do do not listen to >>4 or >>6. They are the two extremes and will only end badly. How you handle this really depends on how you yourself see the fandom. Is it just a simple sexual fetish and no more to you, or do you really just like furry characters and such and the porn is just secondary? If you're the former then yes please by all means listen to >>4. If you're the latter then this is your best option. No, do not "out yourself", but definitely do not hide it either. Hiding it says that you're ashamed of it, and being ashamed says that its something bad, and in that way hiding it only puts you and the fandom itself in a bad light to anybody who "finds out". It also gives that person a position of power over you to make fun of you, or threaten to "out you" themselves. And "Outing yourself" or "admitting it" only does the same thing as hiding it would because it implies that you were hiding it. Look, the people around you will take their cues on how to act form you. So, if you act like its no big deal then it will be no big deal. Don't bring up the topic yourself. You can push a conversation in that direction, or bring it up in some roundabout way, but if you are too direct you'll freak 'em out. If and when it comes up be cool about it mention you are a furry and go from there. Tell them that furry is little more than an interest like gaming and such. Answer questions, show the positive sides of the fandom, shoot down any negative comments, rumors or insults, and what ever you do DO NOT GET MAD. Lager groups are harder to work with once group mentality kicks in, you'll be the odd one out and it'll be over. Especially if, like you said, they have preconceived notions about the fandom. Its best done one or two on one, their much less likely to lash with out others to support them. Talk to some of you closer friends first, they're your best bet. That's probably the best you can do. Just be cool, know what you're talking about, and stick to your guns. Good luck whatever you do though. Let us know how it turns out.
12 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 17:37 Tell them that furry is little more than an interest like gaming and such. I don't think lying about the nature of the fandom would be any more beneficial than keeping his public name away from it to begin with. In fact, it would probably be much worse.
13 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 17:40 >>12 Exactly. He should tell them straight that it's a lifestyle, and one to be quite proud of.
14 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 17:55 If he's a "lifestyler" he's screwed either way. OP, it's just a fetish, and what you need to do is keep your mouth shut about it. If you get made fun of for it just let it roll off your back, but trying to argue that it's not that bad will just exacerbate things.
15 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 18:17 It's a fetish if you're into the sexual aspects, in my opinion. There ARE those furs out there that don't like any of the sexual aspects of the fandom. But you're on fchan, soooo....
16 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 20:58 >>6 ha ha if thats sarcasm its funny....if its not well.. oh. Yeah im gonna have to say dont be that guy man. So what happens if you do tell them? Its going to just make you awkward, think of it, your hanging with your friends and some people and with one slip of the lip all those other people, (maybe even the girl or guy you like) knows that your into anthro animals swallowing cock.
17 Report	at 20 Feb 2010: 23:52 OP, there's really no need to listen to those calling furry "just a fetish" I'm sure you've seen those guys before, and all they do is just wallow in self-loathing because they're to ashamed and concerned with their own self-image to the point where they can't even keep friends. If you're proud of who you are, why should you hide it? If your friends hate you for being who you are, then they aren't really your friends. And I assure you there's plenty of people who are good enough to accept who you are, and will respect you for having the courage to stand up.
18 Report	at 21 Feb 2010: 00:05 >>17 Nobody's going to think he's courageous for informing his school that he masturbates to drawings of animal-people on the internet. There are many, however, who will think he's a fruitcake-- and justifiably so. >>1 , you are not "self loathing" for keeping your fetishes to yourself. You do not owe the fandom anything.
19 Report	at 21 Feb 2010: 01:37 I agree with both >>17 and >>18. While I see no reason for anyone interested in furry art to be "ashamed" of their interest, I also see no reason to announce your interest to the world. If somebody finds out because you have a furry wallpaper on your computer, or you have some drawings sitting out or something, then that's cool. However, that's a lot different than going into the livingroom at home and saying, "Mom, Dad, there's something I need to tell you... I'm a furry." If you really enjoy furry art, or if it is especially meaningful for you -- for whatever reason -- and you want to share your interest then go for it, but don't look at it as some kind of fundamental essence of your being. Being furry is not the same thing as being gay, straight, or bisexual. These things are a basic building block of what makes you, you. Regardless of how much furry means to you, it isn't something you can "come out of the closet" about. Finally, I'd ditto the motion that if the people you hang out with really are lame enough to bitch about "furfags" on a regular basis then not only are they not really friend material, they're pretty moronic. "Fursecuters" are on the other end of the spectrum as furry lifestylers -- both need to seriously consider readjusting their priorities.
20 Report	at 21 Feb 2010: 03:38 I don't know about announcements. I mean I wouldn't go to school and say I'm a furry because I would then be looked upon in a fursuit FOR ALL ETERNITY. Then again I do not fursuit, I don't go to conventions, my choice for anything along the lines of a persona is a human or super-human, I actually do not like fur(I like scales, skin, slime, metal, etc), and really the only thing that drags me here is pictures of anthro girls doing various things (except getting eaten). I might be looked as just perveted
21 Report	Alexis M-R at 21 Feb 2010: 09:13 People PEOPLE! There's nothing to be ashamed of, everyone has their choices of lifestyle and whatever sexual perversions anyone might have are just passing tastes. So far so many of you have concentrated on the sexual side for starters, and yeah its a big part of being a furry but its not the be-and-end-all of being a furry! So at the worst if someone says "What floats your boat?" and you reply "Well actually I like the idea of anthropomorphs a lot" then the most likely response is going to be "What the hell is anthro?". I can't see whats wrong with being honest with yourself and others, being exhibitionist about it (Really, ridiculously, overpoeringly camp for example) is what gets up everyones nose :)
22 Report	at 21 Feb 2010: 09:37 I think a thing that a lot of furries fail to understand is that by saying "I'm a furry" or even "I like furries" you're basically telling people what >>18 said. They know we're all in it for the sex, guys.
23 Report	darkdoomer#WKjGRcjfhw at 21 Feb 2010: 09:44 the question is : do you want to be beaten and / or bullied by other people at school and remain friendless there until you leave the said school ? and even; if you make an iut/univ, there are chances people know you there and spread your reputation. enjoy your therapy for years. this is not a care bears world for fuck's sake ! if you as a punk/goth/sm addict/rapper/gamer that would be different but you know, furries...
24 Report (sage)	dark#dooMer.vIU at 21 Feb 2010: 09:55 >>19 >>21 also, 10/10 that's art ! can't wait to see someone trying this and replying ITT like "they took it bad and looked for furry on google ..."
25 Report (sage)	at 21 Feb 2010: 12:19 >>18 ... you are not "self loathing" for keeping your fetishes to yourself. You do not owe the fandom anything. This. THIS. THIS!
26 Report	at 21 Feb 2010: 13:47 >>23 do you want to be beaten and / or bullied by other people at school and remain friendless there until you leave the said school ? I love how you people always automatically think everyone will have this kind of reaction to finding out someone they know is a furry. I've had my own friends find out back when I was in school (and without me telling them, either. I make a point not to bring it into my RL, it's strictly an internet thing for me), and they didn't give a shit because we've been friends for years, and we're still friends to this day. (And two of my friends are /b/tards. Now if you don't take shit from a friend of yours that is a /b/tard, that's saying something.)
27 Report (sage)	at 21 Feb 2010: 22:59 >>26 you don't understand 60/40% of your peers could have no problem with it but two people can outalk you and then your fucked parden my language
28 Report	at 22 Feb 2010: 10:25 Didn't read any of the replies so excuse me if I'm being repetitive. It depends how much of a part of your life furry is. If its just a fetish, keep it private. If it came up and someone asked you directly, you might tell them. If you are so furry that you have to live as a furry, ie. wearing a tail/ furry suit to school, that would be reason to "out" yourself. I wouldn't recommend it if you could avoid it, but if you feel it's hurting who you are to not wear a fursuit to school, do what will make you feel whole. If you just enjoy furry and might wear a t-shirt, I don't think it would matter if you just made it clear "this is as far as I go". If someone asks, you explain that you like furry art (or fandom, etc), but you don't do any of the "weird" stuff we all picture when we think furry (sex with stuffed animals is one example).
29 Report	at 22 Feb 2010: 14:53 I only want to out myself so someone doesn't out me first.
30 Report	at 22 Feb 2010: 15:36 >>27 I don't think YOU understand. People in real life happen to not give as much of a shit about someone being a furry as you seem to think they do.
31 Report (sage)	at 22 Feb 2010: 17:07 >>30 People like to find pretext to fight other people and stick them in clichés. go ahead. make you out as a furry, ruin your sholarship ! write a report here in a couple of weeks or something if everybody at your college/highschool think you're cool, or throws rocks at you calling you a zoophile or babyfur. in fact, i can't wait to see the answer
32 Report	at 22 Feb 2010: 19:40 >>31 people like you find no friends because you fight with other people and stick them in cliches. go ahead. make you out as a troll, ruin your self-image !
33 Report	Anonymouse at 22 Feb 2010: 20:56 >>31 >>ruin your sholarship ! throws rocks at you calling you a zoophile What age do you think this is!? O_O >>28 OP listen to this guy.
34 Report (sage)	at 22 Feb 2010: 23:02 >>24 no they don't take it bad when they find out it is when they look it up and see saturday morning cartoon characters getting it on. If I was one of those parents there would be a bitch slap involved if I didn't know furry
35 Report	at 23 Feb 2010: 03:34 >>29 Same story, I thought things would be better if I made it by myself since people here are rather open minded (Escondido Charter, arts and sports oriented highschool, one of the best around and I know there's gay people, jews, muslims, black students. We're all in the same basket)! So I did told my classmates yesterday. what can go wrong, it's not like they all go to ED so I explained what's a furry, the concept and avoided the sexual subject saying there's perverts anywhere. I even joked about it! But some retard just HAD to ask if that was a form of infantilism to enjoy animal characters so I pointed out at numerous mascots, and pointed the difference between Pokemon and Furry. On the afternoon some guy behind me started saying Yiff multiple times and another was meowing randomly, even the teacher was annoyed by these noises he made... I knew that guy was retarded but now I have no idea how to take it or know who told the other classmates what I am... I think i'm going to deal with it today... I'm gonna try to sleep a bit if I can ^^;
36 Report	at 24 Feb 2010: 03:19 >>35 If this is true - goddamn, what is wrong with you people? Being furry is NOT equal to being black, gay, muslim or jewish. GODDAMMIT this is nearly causing a haterage. You "are" not furry, it's just a fucking fictionial fandom you like. It's not a state of mind or religion or sexuality. People like you, trating "furry" like an ethnic group deserve to be ridiculed. Maybe some of you can be pulled back into reality. I'm really sorry, no trolling intended. I'm just really angered by that...
37 Report	Anonymouse at 24 Feb 2010: 18:07 >>36 This! I just didn't feel like going on whole rage shpeil. Thanks for doing that for me.
38 Report	at 24 Feb 2010: 18:28 I'd tell them if they ask, but I wouldn't announce it, cause that will make you look really stupid. To me, furry isn't just a sexual thing, it's a part of me. To #36, being furry isn't the same as religion, or ethnicity, you're right. But, it can be a state of sexuality, and it can be the way you are.
39 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 03:24 The furry fandom is a hobby that some people sink too far into because they can't fill their emotional needs in healthy ways. That freaks people out as much if not more than the weird porn.
40 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 09:52 So, you're saying being a furry is not healthy?
41 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 09:59 Let me put it this way: A lot of guys like chicks, does that mean that they're only into being human for the sex?
42 Report	Alexis MR at 25 Feb 2010: 11:24 Yeah, I've got to say the thread on furaffinity pretty much nails this one... http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=61166
43 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 21:47 >>40 No. Like everything else in the universe, it's perfectly okay, but you shouldn't base your whole life around it. The problem is cyclical. Socially awkward people find their way into the fandom, and through the fandom's culture they find all the things that RL denied them; acceptance, friendship, romance, intimacy, whichever. They become more and more devoted to it. The more their interests and personality are contained within the fandom, the more they alienate everyone outside the fandom. Thus, they go back to the fandom for more and more, the process repeats. That's kind of how cults work, too. Which is not to say that everyone should conform, be as normal as possible, etc. But there's an important distinction between "weird" and "crazy."
44 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 21:59 >>43 Lol, a lot of people are gunna get pissed at this one. Its true though.
45 Report	at 25 Feb 2010: 22:40 It is actually true, surprisingly. If you get pissed, that validates it for you more.
46 Report	klokwrkblu at 26 Feb 2010: 04:54 >>43 May I add that like everything else that's passed; movements, fads, styles, and trends. This could be one of those things that will eventually come go as people seek the next best thing or go on doing more adult things.
47 Report	at 26 Feb 2010: 10:37 No, he's saying that being a furry is simply a sex fetish and anyone that thinks it is anything more or less is an idiot.
48 Report	Joe Strike at 26 Feb 2010: 10:57 What happened to posts 41 through 46 inclusive? One of the most interesting threads I've read on f-chan in a while... then again I haven't visited here in a while. Some thoughts: Why do some people here, furs presumably, insist furry is a sexual kink, period? It's a continuum that goes from digging cartoon animals or mascot suiting as a hobby to fursuit sex and spooge/yiff porn. (Something for everybody!) It also includes people who feel that yes, being furry is who they are. From my first discovery of the fandom I've always thought there was a correlation between being into fur and being gay. (Keeping it to yourself until you discover 'I'm not the only one in the world who feels this way!') The sizeable percentage in the fandom of gays who have merged their sexual and furry identities I would think backs this up. If you feel being furry is your primary identity and you need to share that with the world, you gotta make your own decision if is this appropriate in your situation & how to go about doing it. (I think starting with 1 or 2 close friends as suggested above is a good way to go - give you some support if/when the idiots start hassling you.) There's a sweet spot somewhere in there between feeling like you have to make an announcement & keeping it closeted as something shameful. I am older than the average fur (ain't telling you by how much) and I've had some interesting reactions when the subject came up (without me announcing it), like CSI: "Oh, that show was ridiculous, exaggerated everything & made up half of it." One friend was jealous I was involved in an active scene he knew nothing about! This was several years back before the scene was well known; now he's always asking me about the conventions, art & stuff. When I showed furry cheesecake (not spooge) art to him and another friend, they were both impressed - "I didn't think I would like it when you described it, but this is pretty cool." So good luck - "hope for the best and be prepared for the worst," and who knows - you may discover you're not the only fur at your school.
49 Report	at 26 Feb 2010: 12:35 >>48 Starting with a couple of friends is what I did that week, and now they all know. #35 here, I thought there was at least more than one furry in this school and I was wrong. One of my "friends" who often draw toon or anthro things drew a caricature of me Wednesday, with a big furry cock. With that, a bunch of kids in the class started shouting 'yiff' randomly, most of them are underage but it still sucks to have this behavior on an "open minded" school! Why the first thing you find on Google is about How Weird Furries Are, I'm not like them! I'm usually loling at ED and frequent 4chan, I'm cool with other furs and yet I consider internet a place for pranks and fun, not the IRL. Fucking assholes, I used to be amongst the cool guys in this class now I feel like being some pervert, or whatever they think I am. I never thought it could go that far, this week have been the worse! <sarcasm>THANK YA FOR ENCOURAGING ME MAKING OUT AS A FUR! Scratch that - fuck you all, it's because of sites like Furaffinity and Fchan people have that opinion about Furries! Fuck off!
50 Report (sage)	at 26 Feb 2010: 13:10 >>48 From my first discovery of the fandom I've always thought there was a correlation between being into fur and being gay. (Keeping it to yourself until you discover 'I'm not the only one in the world who feels this way!') The sizeable percentage in the fandom of gays who have merged their sexual and furry identities I would think backs this up. Yeah, well... About that... http://poll.pollcode.com/BR2q_result?v And that's just one of the many polls where straight has come out above gay.
51 Report	Joe at 26 Feb 2010: 13:55 >>50 "And that's just one of the many polls where straight has come out above gay." Gay by itself is only half of how many people responded as straight... but then you add in the bi's, the lesbians, the 'others' (?) ... OHMIGOD WE'RE SURROUNDED, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T BEND OVER!!! However, a) all of 155 people responded to this poll, and b), you got a problem with those percentages?
52 Report	at 26 Feb 2010: 15:18 >>51 a) all of 155 people responded to this poll Like I said, one of hundreds of polls. A lot of people treat furry differently than sexuality. Straight in RL, gay/bi/whatever for anthros. shrug Whatever floats their boat. b), you got a problem with those percentages? Not really. If you're implying that I have something against those who're gay, I don't.
53 Report	at 26 Feb 2010: 18:27 >>47 No, I'm saying that whatever you get out of being "furry", friends, love, an identity, porn, however much or however little, you have to balance that out with things outside the fandom or you become a cultist. You know, like the guy who looks at furry porn on his laptop at McDonalds, or the woman who puts her FurAffinity site on her resume, or the guy that refuses to take off his fox ears at work because that's "discrimination." Those are real fucking people who've given up on the real world because they think everything of value comes from an online community.
54 Report	klokwrkblu at 26 Feb 2010: 21:39 >>47 whatever
55 Report	Joe at 26 Feb 2010: 22:20 >>52 "If you're implying that I have something against those who're gay, I don't." Good to hear; on some of the boards certain furs seem to have a problem with gays being a big part of the furry scene.
56 Report	at 27 Feb 2010: 00:25 >>55 It'd be kind of dumb if I had something against them. One of my best friends is gay. To me, it'd be hypocritical if I had something against them. However, I wasn't trying to imply that, not at all, merely more saying that the fandom isn't as predominately gay as everyone seems to think. From what all I've seen it's a surprisingly equal balance of those who say they're straight and those who say they're gay. (Not counting bisexuals, of course. They're just kinda there. lol) I suppose my wording (or lack, thereof) is what made you think otherwise. Apologies, there. I do quite understand what you mean though, Joe. Though I think it best that I stop derailing this topic further. I'm not quite on the subject. >>53 or the woman who puts her FurAffinity site on her resume Please tell me that's just nothing more than an example....
57 Report	at 27 Feb 2010: 01:36 >>56 "It'd be kind of dumb if I had something against them. One of my best friends is gay. To me, it'd be hypocritical if I had something against them." You'd be surprised at the kind of contradictions that make up people's prejudices. Dick Cheney's daughter was a lesbian.
58 Report	at 27 Feb 2010: 03:52 >>57 "Dick Cheney's daughter was a lesbian." really? what is she now?
59 Report	at 27 Feb 2010: 05:58 >>57 True.
60 Report	at 27 Feb 2010: 17:00 Long story short, OP was unable to keep his furfaggotry a secret for whatever reason, and so decided to admit it when people at his high school got suspicious after unwisely assuming that because he was at an artsy-fartsy high school people would be more understanding/willing to believe him when he LIED and said it's not mainly about sexual fucked-upedness. Fin
61 Report	Karabiner at 27 Feb 2010: 17:35 i'm out at college, to the point where my wallpaper on my PC is one of Zen's tigers. they couldn't be more accepting. i'm not saying your peers would neseccarily be the same, but people can be more accepting than you might think.
62 Report	Anonymouse at 27 Feb 2010: 23:50 >>60 Lied? The fandom is not just simply one thing. The fandom is what ever it is to each individual person. The fandom is mainly about "the sexual fucked-upedness" only if that's how YOU see it. Which evidently YOU do. Don't say OP lied when you don't know what the fandom is to him. >>61 Well done, this is how it should be handled. OP it may be that your situation is to far gone, but learn from this and take an example here. He didn't "admit" it or tell people about it; its just there on his desktop. If people wanna ask about it they will, other than that no big deal. Its plain hes a furry, but he doesn't draw attention to it.
63 Report	at 28 Feb 2010: 04:09 Would anything good really come out of telling your friends your a furry? It seems like your sticking your neck out for bullying at worst and neutrality at best.
64 Report	Karabiner at 28 Feb 2010: 06:36 >>63 that's rather a negative view to take, as i said many people are perfectly understanding. all those that were my friends still are, it's not like it really effects anything, is it? unless of course your friends are closed minded, ignorant fools, in which case they're not worth having as friends.
65 Report	at 1 Mar 2010: 18:14 >>63 It isn't any more reasonable to expect anything good to come out of telling people you're into furry than it to expect anything good to come out of telling people that you're into BDSM. Unfortunately, furries have been historically unable or unwilling to grasp this. >>62 If furry wasn't a kink for the OP he wouldn't be on fchan.
66 Report	at 1 Mar 2010: 20:47 >>65 Not the OP, but for what it's worth, most of the time when I visit Fchan it's just for /dis. There aren't too many interesting furry forums that aren't either completely filled with morons (FA) or asshats (dammitfreehaven). Only sad bit is that it seems like /dis here has been pretty quiet the last year or so. Used to be a lot more active.
67 Report (sage)	at 2 Mar 2010: 06:50 >>65 because kinks can never cross over with lifestyles, and the two are completely separate, never to be combined, amirite?
68 Report	at 2 Mar 2010: 20:24 >>66 The problem with that analogy is that Furry as a whole is not directly comparable to BDSM. If you were comparing, say, fursuit sex and BDSM I would agree with you. Both are sexual fetishes and nothing more. A better comparison would be Furry and Anime. Both have a sexual side (like pretty much all art, actually) but there is a lot more to both of them than just sex. In furry's case, for some people there is a lot more. Call it the "spiritual" side if you want. Lame? Maybe to you, maybe to me, maybe to many others -- but that doesn't make it absolute. For as much as people complain about furries being "too tolerable" it's surprising sometimes how intolerable furs can be to other in the fandom who get more out of it than they do.
69 Report	at 2 Mar 2010: 20:49 >>67 If you're trying to get through life without the majority of people you meet thinking you're some kind of hypersexual freak, yes. >>68 It is. There are several people who are heavily involved in the BDSM subculture, to the extent of considering themselves "owned" or "owners" of their partner(s). BDSM is the backdrop in front of which they live their lives; for others, BDSM gear and "technique" is a hobby stemming from their kink. For most, it is merely a kink that they indulge in. They same things can be said for furry- only BDSM people, unlike furries, don't generally bother trying to convince people that their kink isn't a kink, whether it's been elevated to a way of life or not.
70 Report	at 9 Mar 2010: 21:19 >>68 There is no spiritual side of being a furry. It is a sex fetish and nothing more. I wish most of us furries would accept this v.v
71 Report (sage)	at 9 Mar 2010: 22:17 >>70 You bumped this just to say something that had been said about 200 times before in this thread?
72 Report	at 10 Mar 2010: 16:24 >>70 not really, anyone can create clean artwork of furries
73 Report	at 10 Mar 2010: 21:58 >>72 And those who do are waayyyyy creepier. What a lot of this boils down to is a narcissistic need to have your life validated by other people.
74 Report	Anonymouse at 11 Mar 2010: 21:14 >>73 Whoa! Wait a minute, and get your priorities back in order. You're saying this: http://fchan.us/src/c_1262425469564.jpg is way worse than this: http://fchan.us/src/ah_1265507393564_GelusDJoe.jpg. (Careful opening that second one.) What does that make this: http://www.disneylandpostcards.com/images/Mickey-Mouse.png then? Evil incarnate?
75 Report	at 13 Mar 2010: 03:53 >>74 Soulless moneymaking.
76 Report	tyrmagistrate at 13 Mar 2010: 08:33 No. theres no point. you'll either collect a crowd of wanna-be furs, or be hated and ridiculed either way you'd be a fool. keep your fur on the internet, connect to furs via the internet. if that extends to furs you meet -via- the internet near you, so be it.
77 Report	at 26 Mar 2010: 21:56 you shouldnt scream it from wall to wall but if you think your friends wouldnt be weirded out or judge you you could tell them, but definatly dont start it out sexually... keep it clean and go from there
78 Report	at 29 Mar 2010: 17:00 Well all and all its your decision, if you want to go ahead, I mean if they cant support you then obviously they are not your friends. I told alot of my friends that i like furry and they support me (and its mostly because they like stuff that wierd too so they cant judge) but its really important to be your self. The guy that was 76 has a point but its YOUR DECISION
79 Report	at 30 Mar 2010: 02:13 >>76 Why the Christ would anyone WANT to be a furry?
80 Report	GG20 at 30 Mar 2010: 08:44 >>79 Tons of free porn?
81 Report	at 30 Mar 2010: 14:16 >>80 How is this exclusive to furries?
82 Report	at 30 Mar 2010: 21:41 >>79 Cause If your going nuts from boredom, and lack of most other things, why not do it in style.
83 Report	at 30 Mar 2010: 22:31 >>82 LOL!!!
84 Report	GG20 at 3 Apr 2010: 01:26 >>81 Ok maybe not so much. But honestly now I don't think its even possible to 'choose' to be a furry.
85 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 01:40 This topic is great.. redundancy aside, good points have been made from both angles. Now lemme add.. While there is no doubt that a good bit of the fandom's appeal to me is sexual these days, I know that it's not always been that way. From the earliest childhood memories, animals and anthros in particular have caught my eye and meant a lot to me. Now, truth be told, I didn't realize that there were other 'furries' out there until I had accidentally come across yiff on google for the first time.. but there was nothing sexual to these interests prior to that, and there's still a good part of me that enjoys clean art and cartoons alike, and feels nothing sexual towards it. Much in the way that I like feral animals in a non-sexual way. Basically, there may be those purely into the fandom for the sexual aspect.. but it's not often so black and white.. simple as that.
86 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 05:15 They probably don't need, or want to know about your fetishes, so I'm going to say no.
87 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 09:42 You're a furry, not gay. No one gives a shit. Stop acting like it's anything more than a fetish. >>36 is my hero. >>38 But, it can be a state of sexuality, and it can be the way you are. First of all, as a bisexual, I'd like to remind you that GLBT has no F in it. Because furry is not a state of sexuality. It's a fetish, a fandom, an interest. Not "who you are". Second. SEEK. HELP. I am serious. You are attaching way too much meaning to a simple, harmless thing. This likely means you are struggling with your own sexuality and want something that you KNOW has a community that will coddle you. The gay community might tell you "Oh boo hoo your mother is in denial you're gay. My mother threw me out, her father disowned her, and his uncle thought that meant 'rape me'" and you can't handle the idea people aren't gonna hug you and pretend that you're unique. Because newsflash. You are not unique. No one is "truly" unique in the sense that we all go through the same issues, the same struggles, the same bullshit. To varying degrees? Maybe. All the EXACT same ones? No, but similar. Like myself, being white. I sometimes worry if black co-workers resent me. Likewise, I know for a fact (I've been TOLD) that black co-workers feel like they are being watched. Do I know EXACTLY what he feels like? Hell no. Not even close. Are we still both facing struggles based on racial unease? YES. >>40 So, you're saying being a furry is not healthy? Treating it like a lifestyle is.
88 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 12:38 I think it depends on what your friends' idea of a furry is. If they know about 4chan or have seen some furry pic somewhere, it would come as much less of a shock. As far as I know, my friends only exposure to anything furry is an episode of 1000 Ways to Die. So they relate the term furry to a group of gay fursutiters having an orgy in the woods.
89 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 14:11 >>85 While there is no doubt that a good bit of the fandom's appeal to me is sexual these days, I know that it's not always been that way. For you it may not have been, but the "furry fandom" has always been primarily about furry porn. Non-adult stuff has always been a sideshow or an afterthought. It's just not something people should flaunt if they don't want to be looked at as freaks. Especially in high school.
90 Report	at 3 Apr 2010: 17:59 >>89 Well, for the record, not at all do I mean that OP should 'come out' with his furry interests. I don't tell people that I'm a furry myself, and high school would indeed be an awful place to let loose such info. I'd recommend that the OP keeps it to himself.
91 Report	Eta at 3 Apr 2010: 21:22 I WISH the furry fandom was less about the sexual kink, because the sex is hardly all that I'm interested in. However, trying to get anything else out of the community always seems to fall short of expectations. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. But until there is something solid that I can point to in the furry fandom that isn't dominated by yiff, I can see no reason to tell anybody that hasn't asked.
92 Report	at 5 Apr 2010: 13:08 1) Don't, fetishes are only to be shared with persons you know have similar fetishes. 2)Treating the furry community as more than a mere source of porn is a bad idea. 3)Never underestimate prejudice.
93 Report	at 6 Apr 2010: 09:38 2)Treating the furry community as more than a mere source of porn is a bad idea. Really? How is that bad in any way? Are your expectations or aspirations for the furry community so low?
94 Report	at 6 Apr 2010: 10:34 Because this community is indeed only good as a source of porn, for everything else it's bogged down by it's own members, and lets not speak of the retards thinking that a fetish should be elevated to a lifestyle. Ignoring a 95% of the members of the furry community is good for one's own mental health.
95 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 03:29 it has to be a fetish wether sexual or not... you have to like it enough to make it a lifestyle or for porn.... it would be impossible to say it was not a fetish... well not impossible
96 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 10:35 >>93 Are your expectations or aspirations for the furry community so low? YES. No one should have reason to respect furry fandom in its current incarnation. "Why?", you might ask? In order for any organization and its membership to be deserving of respect, there must be standards, requirements, or expectations of accomplishment set forth by the organization in question. Organizations that require something noble of their members are worthy of respect. By contrast, Furry fandom, as a collective of basement-dwelling losers masturbating to cartoon characters, are about as far from a respectable organization as physically possible. To illustrate why contempt for the idea of furry fandom as a legitimate service and welfare organization devoted to the protection and improvement of its members, allow me to compare furry fandom to other legitimate organizations and social clubs. Country clubs require membership dues and maybe a dress code. Gaming clubs require punctuality, and consistent attendance. Athletic clubs require dedication, discipline, progression, and expect accomplishment. Charity clubs also require dedication, as well as service, and appropriate organizational skillsets. Communes generally require egalitarianism, co-operation, hard work, a willingness to develop and learn life skills, and pro-Earth skills. Furry fandom simply requires an interest in anthropomorphism. Furry is neither exclusive nor discriminating, nor does it require or expect anything of its "membership" in any way. There are no requirements or application for membership (anyone who simply declares themselves one, is a furry). The only degree of separation of elitism in the fandom are between those who make a commercial enterprise out of anthropomorphism and those who pay to have their fantasies realized superficially on paper. That is to say, Furry Fandom is a self-diminishing community based upon consumerism. Motivated primarily by profit, furry accepts anything -- in fact, devouring any seemingly unrelated topic to animal-human hybrids it can like a black hole in order to gain more revenue. One can point to a number of questionable erotic content that is based upon fantasizing about abusive sexual acts as examples of the fandom's lack of values. By not possessing any standards, expectations, or requirements for its "membership", it is impossible for the average of the membership of any organization to demonstrate any level of competence or quality above the level of excellence (not?) expected of them to gain membership to their parent organization. Part of being able to define a culture by it's qualities depends upon being able to define its constraints -- what it is not. What is disturbing about furry fandom is that its community as a whole cannot agree upon what furry fandom ISN'T. Not that it would be possible anyway to define such a culture by the qualities of its "membership" as new self-proclaimed members are being continually added every second. As direct result, the fandom's ambiguity saps it of its strength and ability to influence not only its own decisions, but the opinion of the mainstream itself, which as a consumer parasite, it needs to induct into its own ranks in order to continue to exist. Defining furry fandom in terms of its qualities are impossible because the fandom will not submit to definition and cannot be falsified. The prerequisite for quality assessment to exist cannot exist in a culture that cannot come to a consensus about its theme except under the broad, sweeping, superficial definition of anthropomorphism that anyone can (and will) apply in whatever sick, demented, and twisted personal interpretation the human imagination can conceive. Thus, with no definable base to build on, no precepts or values, the consequences of such an entity when it feigns itself deceptively act as a community are entirely predatory upon its membership. The fandom, as is, relies upon continued investment by its FREELY OPEN to the PUBLIC membership base for its very survival in return for providing simple entertainment. Furry fandom, as a consumer culture, is only good for porn as it sustains itself primarily by providing erotic entertainment. Thus, as long as there are no standards, requirements, or expectations for its all-inclusive, formless, free, publicly-available membership, and predictably low-quality fanbase, Furry Fandom is, in fact, only good as a source of porn. tl;dr version: Furry Fandom is just another trip, another oxygen mask, to keep the excess population from committing suicide.
97 Report (sage)	at 7 Apr 2010: 19:01 >>96 Fucking. Well. Put. /Applause.
98 Report	Anonymouse at 7 Apr 2010: 19:01 >>96 First off, your post was far to long for what you needed to say. You talked in circles and repeated your self alot making it hard to understand. Anyway, here is my response to what I could interpret of your shpiel. Comparing the fandom to a club or organization as you did is taking much to far. Why you expect the fandom to have put up such a strict definition of it self is beyond me. No other community similar to the fandom has done such a thing. In fact I want you to go back to that ridiculously huge post of yours, and every time you come across the word furry replace it with the word anime. You'll get the same thing. The anime community is just as bad or worse when it comes to sexual explicitness (hentai), but they also have their roots in clean entertainment. tl;dr: Also, your tl;dr has nothing to do with the rest of your rant.
99 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 19:08 "First off, your post was far to long for what you needed to say. You talked in circles and repeated your self alot making it hard to understand. Anyway, here is my response to what I could interpret of your shpiel." It made a distinct opening point, and supported it with evidence. The reason you thought it was too long and drawn out was probably the educational background you don't share. "Comparing the fandom to a club or organization as you did is taking much to far. Why you expect the fandom to have put up such a strict definition of it self is beyond me. No other community similar to the fandom has done such a thing." Oh because you are the undisputed master of the community at the moment, mostly because as he was saying, there is NO community in a realistic definition. As the one speaking here, you are speaking for yourself. Wanting the community to act like a community or stop claiming membership is a lot to ask for, I get it. If you hate how close to home that post made you feel, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your "memberships"
100 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 19:21 i'm not too sure how to feel about it. while it seems silly to me that other gays feel the need to get married in a catholic church i'll still support them since their happiness may depend on it. im sure alot of furries would feel liberated if the fandom was considered a legit sexuality so maybe that in itself is enough of a reason to support it
101 Report	Anonymouse at 7 Apr 2010: 21:20 >>99 You mad? Dude, chill. I was trying to have an intelligent debate here, and after one retort to your argument you regress into a flame war. It made a distinct opening point, and supported it with evidence. What evidence? The reason you thought it was too long and drawn out was probably the educational background you don't share. Hypocritical much? Why don't you share yours? Oh because you are the undisputed master of the community at the moment I never said I was. mostly because as he was saying Who do you mean by "he"? Me, you or someone else? there is NO community in a realistic definition. Definition: community 3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars. If you hate how close to home that post made you feel Poorly worded, but it didn't. maybe it's time to re-evaluate your "memberships" What? As the one speaking here, you are speaking for yourself. I never said I was speaking for the community, but its not like I was giving my opinion. Just stating facts. Why don't you try responding to my arguments in a logical fashion, instead of just attacking me personally.
102 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 22:41 There are people who will latch onto ANY weakness they can find to put down another person. They will harass you in school, text message you out of school, and defile your Facebook page if they can. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE these people for four years. They will continue to harass you as long as it makes them feel empowered. The best you can do is conform and go with the flow. It's NOT about furry being a sexual kink. It's not about furry at all. It's about the bully's feeling of power and social position in high school. Bullies bully for the sake of bullying, that is all there is to it.
103 Report	at 7 Apr 2010: 22:51 Im sorry if you felt attacked, and I wasn't the one who posted what you were responding to. I'm pointing out your response to his pretty solid point was to ignore most of it and throw a blanket statement at the rest. The flame war seems like a projection to me, but either way, I'm not actually a part of the fandom. I troll the discussion forums here for laughs at work. So.... No. I'm not mad. And I refuse to get bogged down endlessly quoting each other. Especially when you like to nitpick into... how many partial sentences? Lol ubored?
104 Report	King Geedrah at 7 Apr 2010: 23:11 Listen. this site and all who goes here, are pretty much screwed until you die. if you tell anyone. now if you don't, you're good for as long as you don't tell. Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
105 Report	Anonymouse at 7 Apr 2010: 23:30 >>103 Meh, bored is an understatement. Like you just killing time at work. But yeah when it comes to this stuff I don't like to leave a stone unturned, and I often get caught up in the little details. Whatever though, peace bro. Anyway, back on topic. I still stick by what I said way back up in >>11 when this beast of a thread started. The fandom isn't one thing its what ever it is to you personally. Whether that be nothing but a sexual kink, or you simply like anthros in an innocent way.
106 Report	at 9 Apr 2010: 10:44 >>98 Comparing the fandom to a club or organization as you did is taking much to far. Why you expect the fandom to have put up such a strict definition of it self is beyond me. No other community similar to the fandom has done such a thing. No other fandom community actively attempts to support the physiological needs of its members or base their real life existences upon imaginary identities like furry fandom does. So the fandom is, indeed, acting less like a fandom, and more like a club/organization/support network/cult -- though furry fandom, with its lack of values, standards, expectations, requirements, and lack of consensus required to establish such aforementioned items, when complicated further with its self-declaring public membership, lacks the structure (perhaps even the potential) to accomplish this task. In fact I want you to go back to that ridiculously huge post of yours, and every time you come across the word furry replace it with the word anime. You'll get the same thing. The anime community is just as bad or worse when it comes to sexual explicitness (hentai), but they also have their roots in clean entertainment. There are some important distinctions between anime and furry. One obvious glaring difference between the two genres is the fact that the anime community only seeks to cover its members' entertainment needs, while furry fandom wants to protect and improve its member base by establishing itself as a supportive welfare network for its members. Another important differentiator of quality and marketability between furry and anime is that content in anime is produced by professionals -- while in furry fandom, the community itself is the producers of its own content. The anime community does possess a large fanbase, but these fans generally only produce fan works of mainstream characters, not invent their own. The effect has some positives and negatives: professional content based anime culture means that artists have to produce material that will appeal to the mainstream enough in order to be profitable, and thus limit the amount of fetish material that appeals to only a niche audience. Thus, unlike furry fandom, the professional structure of anime has the purifying effect of pushing its controversial elements to its outer fringes and also providing an overwhelming majority of rated-PG content that appeal to a mainstream audience and assures the genre's future. Anime has a future, because it lives within its means. While, like furry fandom, anime does not expect anything of its members beyond being entertained, the overwhelming majority of its membership does not make more of their relationship with anime beyond entertainment value. Unlike furry fandom, anime fans possess no unspoken policy requiring friendship between anime fans just because they share an interest in anime -- neither does the anime genre expect its fans to sacrifice to other anime fans simply on the merits of mutually liking anime. Contrastingly, the membership within furry fandom has a tendency to form fursonas, or furry identities, that take over and eclipse their own identities in the real world. Then these furry identities try to support one another in real life -- oftentimes with hilarious and absurd results. While there is nothing wrong with wanting to help out your fellow human being, when the cause for human beings to support each other is ignoble, altruism itself becomes worthy of contempt. That is to say, specifically where thankless self-sacrifice for self-destructive porn-mongers (as oftentimes demonstrated within furry fandom) is concerned, that while wanting to support another human being because they possess shared moral values or some noble quality can be a beautiful thing; however, supporting another human being simply because one sympathizes with their delusions that they believe they are an animal-human hybrid because one shares the same delusion is ignoble and worthy of contempt. Let's demonstrate with an example to understand why the thinking of many furries' are so self-evidently fallacious, contemptuous, avaricious, juvenile, and arrogant: Furry 1: I believe I'm a werewolf because werewolves are cool and I want to be cool. Werewolves are full of energy, perform incredible physical feats without being injured, move demonically fast, can eat non-prepared foods without getting sick, have thick fur so they never need to rely on clothing for survival, are hard to kill, live forever, and can scale walls in the blink of an eye. So much better than the fragile lives we humans live -- and werewolves always work in packs cooperatively for the betterment of their clan, yet can live independently from everyone because they are so strong. I'd like to have that kind of power and control/unleash it. So, I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to become a werewolf. Furry 2: Yeah, I'm a werewolf too! Fuck humans that are content to live as weakling scumbags of worthless pink flesh! We're kindred spirits! Let's associate with one another and build a life together around this false identity! …All the while never considering the fact that werewolves are can never be more than fictitious because of their incredible fantastic attributes. While only a few furries have degraded in sanity to the point that they forsake and deny their humanity, a good number of the rest of them are infatuated with the idea of doing so, and express their dissatisfaction with being human by contriving and glorifying fantastic worlds populated with human-animal hybrid creatures with stereotypical anthropomorphic/supernatural traits commonly applied to animals portrayed as superior to the human condition. Ironically, these stereotypical traits were originally applied to certain animal species by primitive man who, in his loneliness and lack of understanding of the world, sought solace in his brief mortality by falsely imagining the animals as possessing either human or supernatural traits. Thus, furry fandom is based upon an anthropomorphic fallacy. Except for Otakus, the anime community is devoid of this sort of lycanthropic diseased thinking -- while, at the same time, this psychological myiasis is rampant in the furry community. Self-sacrifice caused by sympathizing with someone else only because they embrace a false identity is codependent and self-destructive behavior. And yes, my personal standards also means that I view Otakus, the anime equivalent to furries, with no less contempt. I would appreciate the gesture if furries would remind me why we all hate Twilight fans again. Answer: Twilight fans are hated not only because they forsake their real genuine identities over those invented by a commercial venture, but also because they pine away and lust for the unrealistic personalities and unnatural supernatural abilities exhibited by actors on the TV screen to escape their mundane/abusive existences. Then, they superficially support each other in an attempt to emulate a false reality taught to them by the TV, but in trying to run a support network based upon imaginary, contrived, commercial identities based in FICTION without any real planning or thought -- or organizational values, skills, or structure in how to accomplish their goals, they are a laughingstock parody of what a real, tangible, meaningful, support network is about. Furries versus Twilight Fans versus Na'vi Otherkin versus Otaku -- the differences are rapidly diminishing as introspection and hindsight causes increased clarity in understanding that they all originate from the same fallacious mindset. The only difference between these "different" genres that, surprisingly enough hate each other with virulent passion, is the time period their respective memberships grew up in, and what was playing on the television/movie screen at the time of their childhoods. Superficial sex-fetish based Furry Fandom is fucked up beyond all repair, anime soon will be if it can't repel all of the failAIDS, and no fandom genre possesses any business in trying to babysit their entertainment-seeking fans like members in a cult. Anime recognizes and embraces this precept and marginalizes its codependent undesirables to its outer edges through its professionally structured genre. Contrastingly, furry doesn't and allows its crazies to uncannily complete the Crank Cycle and walk in front of the television camera in leather bondage gear set up in the middle of the room at the convention hotel to create the next generation of media-besotted consumer losers. (Crank Cycle: The media delivers content, the viewers assimilate and emulate it, the results of which the media then covers as news, which more viewers watch and assimilate and emulate to repeat the cycle. Case in point, most of the fandom's current population was introduced in 2003 and onward as a direct result of the CSI and MTV coverage.)
107 Report	at 12 Apr 2010: 19:11 Which is crazier? The creator of this discussion or the people trying to defend it or demane it? Just give it up guys; your just creating countless WOT posts and feeding the fact for all of us that your the crazier person here.
108 Report	Araelkins at 13 Apr 2010: 16:46 >>106 I'd say this post was pretty accurate about 3-8 years ago or so, but it doesn't really represent the most common members of the fandom anymore. The whole fursona/delusion cycle that came about at the dawn of furry isn't too accurate anymore. Ironically, it's precisely because the fandom has no requirements for entry other than a shared interest and a desire for the label. The most common members of furry sites are hardly what can be called furries - they're just people who have an interest in the (mostly pornographic) artwort, but aren't influenced in any other way by their "participation" in the fandom. Back in the day, it would be unheard of for a furry to be ridiculed because of his behaviors, fetishes, or hygene by another furry, but this behavior is common now. The touchy-feely predawn days of fandom in general - insular internet communities that don't overlap and look on one another (and mainstream media) with suspicion - is no longer a reality on the internet today. The same people visit fchan, FA, Cracked, SomethingAwful, and 4chan in the same day, plus legitimate news and sports sites. The internet has become more of a melting pot than a series of islands and this is most clearly represented by the fact that many furry sites don't allow certain kinds of artwork and the general fanbases troll the more extreme members (and the extreme members are the kinds of people you're talking about above). I'd say that more than half of the people who routinely visit furry sites these days have no interest in roleplay or support, whereas this number was probably close to 80% as little as 5 years ago. The real fact of the matter is, in real life people think furry is some sort of bizarre thing (because frankly it is) but on the internet it's not really a big deal. Very few people honestly give a shit anymore.
109 Report (sage)	at 14 Apr 2010: 19:43 >>108 I'm all aware of these changes in the fandom, and I view them with begrudging approval. Begrudgingly, because in its infancy, this fandom could have been trained into something so much more. The "open door" policy that let in the freaks, and also let in the mainstream once the actions of the freaks were lulzy enough to put on national television for entertainment purposes. See, I've been in the fandom for so long, I was here before zoophilia was accepted into furry fandom. I was part of the earliest days of the fandom where, in those ancient days, being a "furry lifestyler" had no sexual connotation and only meant that you were simply an amateur entertainer who took pleasure in dressing up as a werewolf because it was cool and you wanted to work with other people who liked dressing up as costumes in order to entertain the public on holidays. See kids, waaaaaaaay back in the early days of the Internet when 4chan didn't exist and all the proto-/b/tards were confined to AOL, there was this thing called USENET that most primitive netizens couldn't access or even know about because they lacked the tech savvy required to download and configure a newsreader. Which was good because USENET was protected from retards in the early days. Okay, so there was this USENET group back in the 90's and early 00's called "alt.lifestyle.furry" (A.L.F.). It was the epic fail that brought all the failure into furry fandom by inventing furry fandom's OPEN DOOR policy. This group was supposed to define what the furry lifestyle was about. And the people in control of it were motherfucking perverts. I'd like to quote the very epitome of failure from the A.L.F. FAQ -- under section 2.7 on the forced acceptance of zoophilia into furry fandom by the moderators of, what was then, the largest outlet for lifestylers to meet in early fandom days ( http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/lifestyle.txt ): We understand that it is asking quite a lot of some people to cope with the idea that furry zoos are welcome on alt.lifestyle.furry, but when we formed this newsgroup we decided that it was up to each individual to decide what is and isn't part of their furry lifestyle/. We know that lots of zoos are also furry, and we know that there is nowhere else in furrydom that they can even mention both words in the same sentence without being abused. It's the same problem that plush furries have had; the same problem Christian furries have had. In this place you can be a Christian zoo plushophile furry all at once without apologising. If the 'Z' word is a bit threatening to you, be assured the same restrictions on explicit sexual content apply to zoo posts as to every other post on ALF. Meantime, get to know some of our furry zoo posters; this is their newsgroup, too. Thus chimes the death knell. In other words, the leaders of the A.L.F. newsgroup were the establishers of the open door policy of furry fandom because they had a personal agenda to shove zoophilia onto the fandom in its infancy (that was, at the time, largely opposed to zoophilia) as a whole and incorporate perversion as part of the fandom itself. The fandom WAS opposed to zoophilia, plushophilia, toonophilia at one time... -- even alt.lifestyle.fur didn't DARE try to make something as heinous as cub porn acceptable. It was largely a.l.f. that legitimized sexual perversion in the eyes of the fandom during it's infancy. In short, furry fandom could have been a really cool club, but the pervs took it over, and then the resulting media shitstorm and backlash brought in the mainstream, wherein nothing creative can arise from a gray mass of commonality. Furry is dead -- and this is not news, it's been dead for at least 7 years. Using anthropomorphism as a tool to explore the human condition can be cool, but it has to be handled right in order to lead to something that wins. I'm not against the idea of a little commune of human beings with anthropomorphism as their preferred aesthetic -- as long as they possess and cultivate additional noble values that validates the group's existence in society. Sadly, with the signifier of the fandom attached to regressionistic imagery -- sexualized Blue's Clues and glorified imagery of X-rated Christopher Robin being chased by a "hungry" Pooh, it's better to simply burn the whole subculture with fire and hide the evidence that there ever was an attempt here to establish an elitist culture, rather than keep trying to revive the corpse of this dead baby that has long ago decayed into a pile of dried bones. Which, in short, to answer the OP: NO, you should NOT come out to your friends as a furry. Liking anthropomorphic animals is nothing to be proud about, and protecting people just because they value anthropomorphism is not a noble enough cause to justify doing so -- especially since the losers drove anthropomorphism into the dust with zoophilia and pedophilia. Even /b/'s Anonymous has a better culture than furry.
111 Report	at 18 Apr 2010: 20:44 Being a furry is a fetish. If it's important to you that people know about such details and you don't care about ridicule then sure. However I wouldn't tell anyone unless they ask.
112 Report (sage)	at 19 Apr 2010: 21:46 >>111 Being a furry is a fetish. Exactly. If furry wasn't a fetish, then the best place for people to discuss the fandom's problems with as large a fandom audience as possible wouldn't be right here on the furry porn image board of the Intertubes. Stated another way: the fact that in order to reach the largest audience of furries possible, on the Internet, one needs to patron a PORN image board should be all the forewarning anyone should ever need about what furry fandom is about.
113 Report	at 20 Apr 2010: 23:55 >>112 Except there's more to Fchan than porn -- /dis and /clean for example. I admit lately /dis has been pretty lame, but it's the primary reason I still bother coming here. There are also other large boards, dammitfreehaven for example, which contain a LOT more than porn. A dozen of boards with furries just talking about stuff. Fact is that furry is more than a fetish. If that's all it is to you, fine. Don't assume everyone else is just like you.
114 Report (sage)	at 21 Apr 2010: 13:32 >>113 Fact is that furry is more than a fetish. I'm sorry, but I'm going to call bullshit and back my claim with evidence. [11025] /f/ (Female) [24163] /m/ (Male) [2551] /h/ (Herm) [6115] /s/ (Straight&Bi) [37288] /toon/ (Toon) [10303] /a/ (Alternative) [11669] /ah/ (Alt(hard)) Total:103114 [4170] /c/ (Clean) /c/ = 4% of content on fchan. Your analogy of using the exception of /c/ and the trolling dissenters like me on /dis/ as proof that furry isn't most-all-and-firstmost a fetish, is akin to pulling a half-eaten, mostly-rotten banana out of the dumpster, holding it up high for all to see, and exclaiming, "See?! It's still good!!!"
115 Report	at 21 Apr 2010: 19:29 >>114 Nice example of a non-sequitur fallacy. Oh, wait, were you serious? Your "evidence" does not back your claim. If most Bittorrent downloads were for porn (possible), would that make Bittorrent a fetish or something you only use for porn? No, because that conclusion doesn't follow from those facts. Same applies here.
116 Report	at 21 Apr 2010: 21:05 >>114 Wow, what amazing results! The most frequented boards on a porn site are .... the porn boards!
117 Report (sage)	at 21 Apr 2010: 22:09 >>114 Ahahaha, you have got to be one of the dumbest fucktards I have -ever- seen on these discussion boards. It's a fucking porn site, of course those will be the most frequented boards.
118 Report (sage)	at 22 Apr 2010: 20:26 Am I one of the only sane people who are kind of taken aback that there are those out there who build up the importance of the fandom in their head, so much so that they feel the need to come out as if they were gay? Do mine eyes deceive me? That insults me personally. That is pretty damn pretentious. You are not born with an intrinsic affinity for erotic anthropomorphism. You would be spitting in the faces of a lot of people in the LGBT community by equating coming out of the closet with telling your friends and family, "I like to whack it to anthros, going to conventions, and/or wearing mascot-type suits for shits and giggles, please don't hate me ;_; !" for Cristssake, have some tact.
119 Report	at 22 Apr 2010: 21:13 >>118 Tact Furry Fandom You're asking them too much.
120 Report	at 23 Apr 2010: 00:04 >>115 >>116 >>117 Quit samefagging. Also quit trying to pass furry off as a social network or what the fuck ever. The extra stuff grows out of the main reason those sites exist, which is the furry porn. When furry become more than a fetish it becomes a PROBLEM. Take a few months off from the internet and from furry and expand in other directions for a while. Develop some interests that aren't furry porn and make some friends that aren't furries.
121 Report (sage)	at 23 Apr 2010: 03:22 >>115 through >>117 Samefag pretending to sockpuppet multiple people to hide the fact that he's a dumbass that got owned. >>120 The extra stuff grows out of the main reason those sites exist, which is the furry porn. EXACTLY. I agree. That has been the reality for the past 10 years, which in Internet time, is an eon. However, a long long time ago, furry wasn't centered on porn. I acknowledge that those days are DEAD and FORGOTTEN.
122 Report	at 23 Apr 2010: 03:25 >>120 >>121 Samefag. See how easy using that word is? Silly furries.
123 Report (sage)	at 23 Apr 2010: 03:33 >>119 You're asking them too much.
124 Report (sage)	at 23 Apr 2010: 16:15 >>1 Ignore most of the replies, it's descended into the usual trolls/flames and isn't going to be of much use. Basically, just listen to >>38 and you'll be fine. (Stopped reading replies at the end of page 1)
125 Report	at 23 Apr 2010: 19:14 >>124 I'm atomic-facepalming here. Read the rest of the thread and see how that strategy turned out for him. The flame war got started when those of us who were telling him to keep his perverted shit to himself uttered a collective TOLD YA SO, idiots got butthurt.
126 Report	at 23 Apr 2010: 20:36 >>116 here >>120 >>121 GODAMNIT YOU DONT TELL ME WHO I AM
127 Report (sage)	at 23 Apr 2010: 23:27 >>126 BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! I USE CAPITAL LETTERS TO EXPRESS MY NERD-RAEG E-HATE!!!!! Which explains why you feel the need to keep bumping every one of my saged posts to the top of /dis/ again, you little samefag attention-whore. Oh, and SAGE. tl;dr version: Your tears are delicious.
128 Report	at 24 Apr 2010: 00:39 >>127 You can't sage what's already at the top of the board. :\|
129 Report (sage)	Kenty at 24 Apr 2010: 14:42 This, this shit, this shit right here. This is why people hate the 'furry community' Someone having a different viewpoint than you doesn't render your beliefs incorrect. Everyone has spent WAY to much time arguing about inane crap. Sage
130 Report (sage)	at 24 Apr 2010: 18:03 >>129 This is why people hate the 'furry community'. There is NO "furry community". Stop treating endless porn gobbling as cause célèbre for a "community". A fondness for anthropomorphic porn does not a "community" make. Go back to >>96 .
131 Report (sage)	Kenty at 24 Apr 2010: 19:04 >>130 I used the quotations around furry community to denote that very point.
132 Report	at 25 May 2010: 23:33 I laughed at this thread.
133 Report	at 26 May 2010: 14:39 people still bumping this thread? i guess there some gays here. and i thought only women looked at male pics >_>
134 Report (sage)	Anonymouse at 26 May 2010: 16:40 >>132 You bumped to say that!? Lean to sage. -_- >>133 What?
135 Report (sage)	at 29 May 2010: 23:26 >>133 Why are you hating on gays so much? Screw this, this is why I don't hang out at fchan anymore
136 Report	at 31 May 2010: 18:00 No, I think he's saying that screaming at the top of your lungs about being a furry is unhealthy. I'm gay but I don't randomly insert the phrase "I suck cock" into conversations that don't warrant it, but the fact of the matter is that some gays DO. Nothing wrong with being gay, or a furry for that matter, but being an IRL spotlight-whore about it and telling people when they don't really need to know is just idiotic.
137 Report	at 5 Jun 2010: 03:54 being overly flamboyant about personal interests or personal dispositions is annoying as shit and comes off as a grab for attention. I'm bi and obviously furry, I don't tell anyone unless they ask. my advice is act as you feel comfortable if people ask then tell them other than that it shouldn't be a big deal at all
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