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[-] [+] No.10423
Fchan Back in the 1800s: Vintage Furries 
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257704 257704 No.10423 10423 1

Any pre-internet furry art goes!

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>>10423
Finding furry porn drawn before 1969 isn't easy, so I wouldn't expect much material.

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271416 271416 No.10455 - Link Reply Report 10455 2

Have a drunken furry party circa 1840, featuring plenty of exposed nipples, tongue wrestling, and interspecies groping.

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282080 282080 No.10456 - Link Reply Report 10456 2

"Reynard then shewed the Queen's six ample tits to the doubting Hare, who being overwhelmed, promptly shat himself."

(Well, that could be the caption.)

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Interesting stuff.

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>>10423 Problem is most of this artwork is going to be satire of either politicians, nations, or corporations. For the first time history has prevented my fapping, because I do not wish to unknowingly fap to porn of say, Andrew Carnegie.

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58050 58050 No.10464 - Link Reply Report 10464 2

Heinrich Kley

Circa ~ 1900

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211760 211760 No.10465 - Link Reply Report 10465 2

More Heinrich Kley.

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44912 44912 No.10466 - Link Reply Report 10466 2
Source: Heinrich Kley

Gator (croc?) groping~

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44906 44906 No.10467 - Link Reply Report 10467 2

Gasp! Kley again!

Human x furry, making out with leopards, etc. Apologies for the low quality.

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40096 40096 No.10468 - Link Reply Report 10468 2
Source: Heinrich Kley

Centaur smut. Presented by Mr. Kley, of course.

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>>10463
"Problem is most of this artwork is going to be satire of either politicians, nations, or corporations...."

Sounds like you've never seen or read anything more than 100 years old unless it was in a textbook. Believe it or not, people hundreds of years ago wrote pornography, listened to sexually explicit songs, and enjoyed some seriously sex and violence-filled furry stories, many of them with PICTURES. And 99.9% had little or no social commentary in them - they were ENTERTAINMENT. The porn technology changes, but people are pretty much the same.

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>>10486 Well obviously pornography existed, along with pretty much everything else you described, but FURRY pornography? Of course it exists, no denying that. But I just assume it will be rather rare given that people would regard it as bestiality. Most artists at the time probably would not risk their reputation simply to draw a little furry porn. In fact, most areas of the world pre-20th century had laws which could get you a free trip to jail for drawing this.

Of course I'm not saying people didn't draw this, just that not very much of it probably existed outside of mockery or satire.

No.10497 - Link Reply Report 10497 2

>>10423Look up classical mythology if you want old furry porn(Like Pan seducing women and goats)

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537293 537293 No.10511 - Link Reply Report 10511 2

Enjoying this topic and discussion BTW. Trying to get some art in here.
>>10423
"...Most artists at the time probably would not risk their reputation simply to draw a little furry porn. In fact, most areas of the world pre-20th century had laws which could get you a free trip to jail for drawing this."

Jail? Hate to tell you this but the whole concept of pornography as something to be outlawed never even occurred ANYWHERE until the Obscene Publications Act in Victorian England in 1857, just barely "pre-20th Century". When people before then wanted to write or draw about sexuality they did, and no one cared, except maybe in terms of their audience.

Here’s an illustration from the Roman de Renart, scene where Tibert the Cat , tricked by Renart the Fox into a snare at a priest’s residence, escapes by going for the preist’s testicles while the Renart watches the fun. Below is the same scene carved in the wood work in Bristol Cathedral almost 500 years ago.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril_(27).jpg

>>10511
Excellent analysis. Also here's an artist's drawing of two women getting it on with a dildo (not furry, but relevant). Drawing is circa 1906. The artist was French, though, so this might be disqualified.

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Source: http://allart.biz/up/photos/album/M_N/Michelangelo/michelangelo_13_leda_and_the_swan.jpg

Also let's not forget Leda and the Swan. I have a few paintings and sculptures from this one. And that shit's biblical. Here's the first, by michelangelo.

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239029 239029 No.10520 - Link Reply Report 10520 2

Sorry about the wall of text here, but I’d really like to give some background for some of the art I’m posting.

The best example of popular furry entertainment is probably the Roman de Renart., written around 1175 A.D. in what is now France. In medieval European literature there were some works that became hugely popular for centuries – The Arthurian stories, Robin Hood and Marion, Tristan and Isuelt, and the Roman de Renart.

It wasn’t a mere set of animal based stories, it was called an epic. The German poet Goethe considered it the European equivalent of The Illiad, and wrote his own famous version of it. All collected it they run for more than 62,000 lines. Why don’t you hear of it more? Probably because you only saw medieval literature in English Lit class, and textbooks like inoffensive stories with morals. The Renart stories don’t have morals. They’re funny, violent, and have some fairly graphic sex scenes in them – not textbook material.

The influence of Renart the Fox and his animal friends (and enemies) showed up all over Europe. In Germany it was “Reineke Fuchs”, in the Netherlands “Reinart de Vos” and in England “Reynard the Fox”. They were carved into cathedrals, painted into manuscripts, and borrowed by authors like Geoffrey Chaucer, Ben Johnson and Johann Goethe. William Caxton, the first man to print books in English printed “The Historye of Reynart the Foxe” as one of his first books in 1481. In Waasland in Belgium, where much of the stories were set, even today there are roads, squares and parks named after “Reynaert”. And in France, where the Roman de Renart was written, even the language changed. Before then, the French word for fox was “goupil” (from the Latin “vulpes”). Now it is “renard”. Every French fox is named after him - and so is Renamon for that matter; much better than Goupimon.

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13760 13760 No.10521 - Link Reply Report 10521 2
Source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Leda.jpg

>>10423
Another one of Leda

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Renart, despite being married to the vixen Hermaline, was pretty much out for as much sex as he could get. He wasn't rich or physically strong, but he was intelligent, handsome, and incredibly talented at flattery and lying.

One female who found him irresistible was the she-wolf Hersent. Rather talented at lying and flattery herself, she actually seduces him. Renart shows up at her home one day when her husband is gone. This gets trickky. He's a little cautious because she's married to a big, bad, jealous wolf named Ysengrin, who's also Renart's uncle.

Hersent is in bed when he unexpectedly comes in. After Renart apologizes and mentions that he'd never offend Ysengrin, Hersent explains he's already suspicious anyway, and starts seductively complementing him on his red fur.

Long story short (sorry), she gets him to sit down on the bed and give her a kiss, which leads to more kissing, and before you know it

"Hersent a la cuisse haucie
A qui plaisoit mout son ator."

(Hersent opens her thighs for him, quite pleased with the situation.)
And they begin 'enjoying each other'.

Image is one of Wilhelm von Kaulbach's illustrations, with Renart convincing Hersent (wearing only her hat) to join him for some "fishing".

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75214 75214 No.10529 - Link Reply Report 10529 2

>>10528 more Renart artand stories

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15896 15896 No.10530 - Link Reply Report 10530 2

>>10520 closeup

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146085 146085 No.10531 - Link Reply Report 10531 2

>>10521 Leda story is not even close to biblical cos its from Roman/greek mythology.
i could colapse the tread by posting my archives on this topic, but i dont feel its related to furry

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124095 124095 No.10532 - Link Reply Report 10532 2

Antropomorphics animals was also quite common in Japan traditional art

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Source: Bibliothèque nationale de France, département des Manuscrits

Here's probably the oldest image I have that I'd call furry porn - another one of Renard and Hersent, from around 1250 A.D. I have to tell the story behind it.

After the story here >>10528 , Ysengrin finds out about his wife and Renart, and confronts her in a profanity-laced tirade
"You whore, I know you're fucking him! You let that little red bastard ride you like a mare!"

Hersent, excellent liar that she is, denies everything, and gets very angry at the accusations, to the point that Ysengrin is afraid he's made a mistake by accusing her. They decide Renart is responsible for the rumors and go out looking for him.

Renard sees the wolves coming his way and knows something is wrong. Dodging and darting around, he loses Ysengrin, but Hersent is still chasing him. He dives through a small opening (in some versions at his home, in some, the ruins of an abbey). Hersent dives after him and gets wedged tightly in the opening, while Renart escapes out the other side.

Hersent tries to get out of her predicament, but suddenly realizes she has a new problem: Renart hasn't left - seeing her helpless and her rear end so ...accessible, he can't pass it by. Hersent's only defense is to "squeeze her tail so tightly between her legs that it hides the two hole in her behind". But then:

Et Renart prist la qeue as danz
Et li reverse sor la crope
Et les .II. pertuis destoupe,
Puis si saut sus, liez et joianz,
Si li fait tot, ses iauz veranz.
Ou bien li poist, ouil li plais.

[And Renart grabs her tail in his teeth, and turns it over her rump, and the two holes thus revealed, he joyfully jumps up and gives it to her whether she wants it or not.]

Renart proceeds to unhurriedly and non-consensually take advantage of Hersent. Then, he does it again. And as he’s finishing up Ysengrin finally shows up. Needless to say, Ysengrin is pissed – as you can see in the image.

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78337 78337 No.10632 - Link Reply Report 10632 2

Another story that needs telling-
Imagine a typical furry comic - not some G-rated kid's story, but one that has a lot of "adult situations" and risque humor - things like violence, death, and of course, sex. Now think of what would happen if you put that comic in a newspaper, a book, a stage production, even a movie. Think it could succeed? Would even be tolerated?

That's what happened with a comic called "The Adventures of Sharp-Ears the Vixen". It started as a a newspaper comic, then a best-selling novel, then an opera (by famous composer Leos Janacek, a fan of the comic), and most recently, a film "The Cunning Little Vixen".

It might surprise you to know this all started 91 years ago, in 1920. So, yes, there was some serious furry art and writing back in your great-grandparent's time. BTW, since it was first published in 1923, the novel has NEVER been out of print.

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To give you some idea, here are few story details from the book The Cunning Little Vixen.
Quick summary - Sharp-Ears the vixen is captured as a youngster and raised as a pet by a forester. However, the forester's wife doesn't like her, the children tease her, the dog lusts after her, and finally, the when the chickens insult her - she starts killing them. When she's discovered she escapes to the forest.

Sharp-Ears is not exactly likable. She's manipulative and a control-freak. She goes back and steals food from the forester's house. She takes a den from a badger in a using her 'femininity' in very disgusting way (I'd show pictures, but they would have to go in the 'Alt/Hard' page). But she starts to change - she thinks of all the the things she's done, and realizes that no one loves her, and how alone she is.

She's also maturing sexually, and is confused and scared by it. With all this going on, she meets a muscular, handsome male fox ("Dear God!, He's so Gorgeous!", she says to herself) and starts to let her guard down. An excerpt:

"Sharp-Ears Has Impure Thoughts"

[Sharp-Ears] slipped into bed. But she could not fall asleep. She lay on her back, smoothed out her tail, and stretched all four legs.
"Am I really pretty?" she asked herself. "What is nice about me?"
She was sorry that he had kissed the tip of her tail, where she had the ugly scar from the forester's trap. With shaking paws she gently touched her breast and turned over again. But her thoughts gave her no peace. She sat up, examined her whole figure with curiosity, and with a strict glance measured her hips. She smiled happily.
"I'm not that bad, after all."
She began to doze off contentedly when suddenly her eyes stared again. Some very strange fantasies had begun to plague her. Her head was full of wonderfully beautiful but at the same time horribly repulsive thoughts. God knows where they were coming from. Shame brought tears to her eyes. Why, she had caught herself puckering up her lips in sleep as if—fie!—as if she were trying to kiss someone!
She picked up some pebbles and began to pray fervently, as Mama Fox had taught her. She said as many Our Fathers as there
were pebbles.
Calmed at last, she dozed off into a chaste sleep.

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107791 107791 No.10635 - Link Reply Report 10635 2

>>10632 very interesting, and i never heard about this before
BBC animated version is avaible on YT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPSiQaujbTY

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>>10635
Thanks for the link. The main reason a lot of people don't know about The Cunning Little Vixen is that it wasn't translated into English until 1985. The Czechs, Germans and French have had it for decades.

And even though you're watching a film, based on the opera, you can still see the art from the original comic in places (as in the one here >>10633). I can't say that I'm a real opera fan, but this I like. Singing foxes seem just fine here. The animation is well done, and Janacek's music is, well, fantastic. The film is an abbreviated version of the opera, and the opera is an adaptation (with a few changes) of the novel/comic. All of them are very consistent with the characters, though.

The way The Cunning Little Vixen came into being is unusual. The artwork, by Stanislav Lolek came first (years before, actually) then the newspaper editor decided to print it as a comic, and finally, Rudolph Tesnohlidek wrote the wonderful story for the comic.

Janacek became a fan of the comic after he heard his housekeeper laughing from his study.
"What are you laughing so hard at?"
"At Sharp-Ears, sir."
"What Sharp-Ears?"
"Oh, aren't you reading it? It's by Mr. Tesnohlidek, from Lidove Noviny"
And from there, he was hooked on it.

For Tesnohlidek the writer and Lolek the artist, the comic and novel made them famous. Janacek was already famous. The Cunning Little Vixen became, to him anyway, his favorite and most meaningful work. And when he died in 1928, out of all his many works, at his funeral, they played the music he had written about the life of a vixen.

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I am following the lead on The Cunning Little Vixen.

Thanks guys.

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44702 44702 No.10753 - Link Reply Report 10753 2

In the woods, near Janacek's birthplace in Hukvaldy is a statue - not of Janacek, but of Sharp-Ears. Not many fictional characters get that honor, especially furry ones.

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157208 157208 No.10754 - Link Reply Report 10754 2

The Vixen has been there since something like 1934. Apparently, looking at how shiny her nose and tail are, people still climb up and pet her.

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>>10753
I've got to say, the history behind this character is very interesting, but I don't really think the character itself is furry. It's an anthropomorphic animal, that doesn't necessarily make it furry.

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>>10775

Actually judging by the description of the character, it's hardly anthropomorphic at all. I simply a clever use of personification.

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It's simply*

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>>10775
As far as being "furry", I think Sharp-Ears meets every qualification I can think of that a comic, animated, and literary character can have. I suppose definitions vary, but the folks who run Eurofurence - the largest furry con in Europe, thought enough of Sharp-Ears as a furry character that they made her story the theme of Eurofurence 9 (see pic).

As far as being anthromorphic, since you probably haven't read the book, here are some more details.

"Anthropomorphic - having human motivation, characteristics, or behavior."

Sharp-Ears the vixen fits all of those. She has human intelligence, talks to other animals and humans, and has a lot to say about them (much of it in an internal dialog with herself). She also has (unfortunately for her) very human emotions. She's petty and vengeful at times. She does things she's later ashamed of. She's often scared about the future, and generally thinks and feels in a very human way. There's no big separation between animals and humans in this story. Humans are just another animal as far as Sharp-Ears is concerned.

The animals even share some institutions with humans. They have a mliitary, a legal system, and religion. Sharp-Ears is religious in a Catholic fox way, although her lover Goldenstripe considered himself an atheist and free-thinker. (Human religion is ridiculed as "locking God up in a building".) They also have parties, drink, gossip, and walk upright (when they feel like it, anyway). There's no big separation between animals and humans in this story. Humans are just another animal as far as Sharp-Ears is concerned, which makes this story very different from most.

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>>10423

Lol the wolf's eyes give me the creeps in that picture...

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>>10810
As they should. Ysengrin the wolf is a nasty character, who's just stumbled upon his wife being raped by a certain fox he hates.

Truth is, the rape scene is (forgive me) hilarious, and full of funny lines. Renart isn't being violent, he just can't help himself. He tells Hersent things like, "Oh, c'mon - you should be glad it's me. It could have been some passing stranger taking advantage of you ."

When Ysengrin shows up, he comes up with "You're very mistaken. The opening she's caught in is wider on the other side and I was just trying to push her through... from behind!"

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Seeing as how the story of Renart the Fox has found its way into so many cultures and translated several times, which version of the story do you recommend for reading?

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I read two stories of Reynart the fox. One was that he tricked her on thin ice and then raped her and another she got caught in a log. O.o Really what version are you reading and where can I find a copy?

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498622 498622 No.10831 - Link Reply Report 10831 2

Utamaro (attributed), around 1800

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Yamato Bunko, Shozan, ca. 1840

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405105 405105 No.10833 - Link Reply Report 10833 2

Women transorming into vixens.

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>>10824 >>10825
As I mentioned, Renard is an epic work that runs to around 62,000 lines, most of it originally written in Old French. It's divided up into "branches " Almost all of it can be found in modern French, most of that on the internet in some form, which you can translate into English. It's clunky, but I've found some hard to find parts that way.

But there are some good translations out there. My favorite is Patricia Terry's Renard the Fox. Her book includes Branches II and Va, written by Pierre de Saint-Cloud around 1174 to 1177 A.D. He was probably the best of all the Renard writers. These are the ones with the Renard and Hersent stories. It's still in print, and you can find it on Amazon.

Renard's trial for Hersent's rape and other crimes is in there too, if I remember correctly. It's such a detailed (and interesting) courtroom drama that legal scholars use it to study medieval judicial practices. My only complaint is that she didn't do more. Her work is excellent and uncensored.

Another that is fun to look at is the German version done in 1793 by Johann Wilhelm von Goethe. Goethe, "considered the supreme genius of modern German literature" thought the Renard stories so significant, that he did his own version,mainly from Dutch sources. Hugely admired in England and America, his "Reineke der Fuchs" was translated into English and printed over and over for a hundred years. It's not as sexually graphic and violent as the early versions, but reading a version by the author who wrote everything from Faust to The Sorcerer's Apprentice is fun.

Here's a link to Thomas Arnold's translation of Goethe:

http://books.google.com/books?id=U04WAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=reynard+the+fox&source=bl&ots=N_BABApvrb&sig=7xgcgJYxzz8YlDu7_ZQFDoOX8sE&hl=en&ei=0d_HS_uCHoL_8AaF5JCIBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=14&ved=0CDAQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q&f=true

You'll notice Ysengin becomes Isengrin in the German version, Hersent is now Gieremund, and a few other names change. You'll also see some fantastic art done by Wilhelm Kaulbach for the German version, and some more art added by Arnold by (I kid you not...) artist Joseph Wolf, and engraver Augustus Fox.

Some of these engravings are posted up the thread.

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>>10835
That should be Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
Please forgive me.

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I like the Janosch Version cause he usually draws and writes harmless stories for small children... and suddenly there´s Reinecke, killing one guy after another trying to get him into prison. Includes luring the bear to a hunter or biting the bunny´s head off and feeding him to his wife and kids.

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>>10543 thats hot. its like furries suddenly learned how to write in a good, not fan fiction way. or even write.

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>>10833
The guy on the right looks so much DO NOT WANT

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274247 274247 No.10927 - Link Reply Report 10927 2

Here is one from Ancient Egypt. I sadly don't know much else about it.

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Snapped this when I went to Oktoberfest, it's on the corner of the Anheuser-Busch/Budweiser brewery in downtown St. Louis.

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That's the Bevo building, now used as a bottling plant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevo

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>>10835 Ahh I have that copy, a very entertaining read! Interesting thread also :]

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Very good show, gentlemen. I applaud this trip to the History Channel.

Now let's get a drawing of today --- with yesterday's beasts! If ya know what I mean, eh? Eh? Eh?

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I have never laughed so hard in my life... And I've watched a shit-load of stand up comedy...

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Hey, this thread is still alive. I have some stuff to add but I need some time to get it ready. In the mean time, I'll bump with an Alain Vaes Reynard illustration.

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http://thescreamonline.com/art/art7-1/kley/kley.html is a good spot to find a fair collection of Heinrich Kley artwork, for the interested.

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http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TSZrxSi4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

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39373 39373 No.14775 - Link Reply Report 14775 2

Been re-reading my copy of D.D.R. Owen's translation, The Romance of Reynard the Fox, and found some great bits to share. (Also found this thread still up!)

So... I decided to bump for now, but promise to get some content up in a day or two.

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Source: Adrian Schleich

Wilhelm von Kaulbach: Reineke Fuchs als Sieger. Illustration, erschienen 1846; in Kupfer gestochen von Adrian Schleich, München

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Source: Rudolf Rahn

Wilhelm von Kaulbach, 1846: Reineke Fuchs. Die Illustration zum Neunten Gesang, in Kupfer gestochen von Rudolf Rahn in Zürich, zeigt König Nobel im Schlafgemach, mit der Kinderfrau Rückenau, der Äffin, Fürsprecherin Reinekes.

Anyone who wants to translate it, is free to do so.

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I have to say this is one of the most interesting threads I have read in a long time.

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Getting back to the Renard excerpts I promised from D.D.R. Owen's translation. I wanted to make this shorter, but it was too good to edit much. Rather than do a massive post. I'll do this in parts.

In this section of the epic (Branche VII), Renard narrowly escapes being killed by the monks of an abbey after breaking into their chickens and eating a few. He finds a haystack to hide in and decides to stay the night. Unfortunately, the nearby river floods during the night, and Renard finds himself surrounded by water and floating away, probably to die in the flood.

A bird lands on the haystack, a kite named Hubert, who also happens to be a priest. Renard, afraid he's going to die, asks the kite to hear his confession. [This is a running gag in Renard stories. Renard, scared he's going to die, starts to confess his sins. Pretty soon he turns the confession into a list of tricks and sexual exploits he's obviously rather proud of.] He mentions that he's thought of becoming a monk himself, but that he's too weak, doesn't know Latin, and couldn't handle a life without regular sex (apparently with Hersent, the wife of Ysengrin the Wolf). Then he launches into a very poetic, loving ode to female genitals:

PART I

"How, then, should I enter it [a Carmelite abbey], I who couldn't endure any hardship or do without Hersent or her cranny? Cranny? I'm wrong, for it's a great thing, which you have to be very bold to mention. For just to remember it, I tremble all over and I get goose-pimples; and I swear I'm not joking. For there's no nobler word in the world. Yet, amazingly, just to pronounce it is the biggest disgrace for a man and the most responsible for his downfall. Yet when he wants to put it to use, there's no question that it brings him more joy, satisfaction, and honour in one day than the mouth of man could utter. That is the best doctor to be found for love. That doesn't need proving; for many a man is cured by it who would otherwise have perished. And it will still cure many more unless their wickedness prevents it; and a curse on any whose wickedness stands in the way of its use! Don't think I'm spinning you a yarn: I wouldn't want to be an abbot unless Hersent were an abbess or a cellarer or prioress, or that she was put in a place beyond their authority, so that I could enjoy myself with her and she with me. For it's a very splendid order that includes males and females."

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On with D.D.R. Owen's translation -
The kite, on hearing Renard's obsession with Hersent, and perhaps trying to get him to show a little shame, decides to convince Renard that he is degrading himself and is being used by Hersent.

PART II

Not wanting to stay there any longer, the kite spoke up, beginning to rebuke Reynard in very insulting terms: 'You wicked, dwarfish, red-headed midget, you've fallen pretty low to have an affair with Hersent, a skinny old bag who can't even stand on her feet. She needs keeping all right! And that thing of hers, Reynard, what a beauty! She's a real crow, is Hersent, a bearded witch who has been on the game for perhaps a hundred years, more or less: I can't say how long. But this much I can tell you for sure, and it's for your good: from here to the Frozen Sea there's no scallywag who hasn't rogered her. Oh my, what a love-match! She's been whoring for too long and has more wrinkles round her backside than there are briars in an acre of woodland. So you really ought to melt for shame. You could even hide away in the skin hanging from her rump. Confess, then, and repent of those sins and the rest so as not to join the others who go straight down to Hell!'

[Here Owen, who' tends to censor a lot of the more lewd comments anyway, decides to skip over 36 lines of the story with this explanation]

Hubert the kite expands at length on Hersent's insatiable sexual appetite. If Reynard went to distant parts, she would never go looking for him, but would seek out any rascal well enough equipped to satisfy her desires. It would be better for Reynard to choose a younger, more attractive sweetheart such as Mousse, the wife ofBelin the ram.

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Continuing with Owen's translation -
Far from shaming Renard, Hubert the kite's horrible insults to his beloved Hersent leave Renard shocked and angry. However, Renard keeps his feeling hidden, and decides to shock and frighten Hubert by confessing to even more horrible sins...

PART III

Hearing his beloved accused, insulted, and slandered, Reynard feels deeply hurt and thinks the kite not at all wise to talk in such base terms: on the contrary, he seems to him quite crazy. He whispers under his breath: 'It was unlucky for him that he slandered Hersent: I'll take terrible vengeance unless by some accident I miss my chance. You son of a whore and wicked hunchback, you're just like a bad hermit. You've run down the noblest woman ever to wear a wimple, sleeves, silken laces, or girdle. She's like a painting made to gaze upon. I'd rather suffer a beating than say anything foolish about her, because her sweetness binds and captivates me. You've spoken far too viciously about her. If all the monks from one valley were now of your kind, you would be their provost. I'm going to do you some damage, and to your person, not property; and a curse on anyone who will do otherwise or be compensated with anything but the person himself who has uttered such nonsense! I'll make you believe in my God! And if ever anybody ate his confessor, I'll make a meal of you today, and you'll not get out of it. I'll say no more at present, because I'm very wary of flying creatures: if he knew what I was thinking now, he'd be up and away, beg or forbid him as I might, and he wouldn't care who was annoyed about it.'

Reynard says no more; and the kite, who is in a desperate situation, heading for his own damnation and disaster, speaks up:
'Go on, keep on talking if you've anything to say; and make a total confession!'—'Sir, I've been very wicked and done many perverse things that I shouldn't have done. I've led a very bad life of crime and theft when I've been out of my wits. Not even the Abbot of Corbie, who has brought his order into disrepute, nor Hunant the Red...{omitting some of Renard's long list of 12th Century criminals}
...Peter the Red or Fetas, who are both fine fomicators, nor fat Richard or Tempete or all the others of that tribe have between them indulged in such lechery as I have for my sins. I've had the daughter and the mother, all the children and their father, followed by the entire household, as God may give me clear or mulled wine or mead to drink!

Many a night I've performed fifteen times without flagging. I'm very hot-blooded and, when I'm in the mood, I have ten goes one after the other followed by nine more. However hideous the beast, even if she were eyeless, I couldn't be deterred. And I've done the unimaginable, even eating a godson of mine. If only I were at Mareuil at this moment, hanged by my filthy neck!'

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Source: Internet search

We can not forget pan

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Wow. I've just been cultured. On Fchan. How....?

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Just about every fetish we have today has old stories and myths which could be said to predate them. I should'nt be suprised to find anthro or furry ones as well, yet I am.

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>>15072
LILF

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Hermanubis, 1-2 Cent AD, Roman.

I would like to thank those how contributed material on Renard the Fox. Patricia Terry's translation has been a pleasure to read so far. The insight on legal proceeding of of France in teh 1200's has been interesting as well.

When we first meet Hersent she invites Renard to have sex with her, but was pissing on her pups and raiding her larder all his plan then?

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>>15899
Well, it wasn't Hersent's plan, if that's what you mean.

The thing I find fascinating about this scene (well, besides the fox-on-wolf sex) is the emotional transformation Renart goes through. He's been running for his life after stealing chickens from a monastery, and he sneaks in to Ysengrin and Hersen't's den to hide. When Hersent sees who it is and confronts him, he is genuinely scared of her. He "almost goes through the floor" with fear and shame. Luckily for Renart, she is in a friendly mood, and he manages to hide his fear and talk to her in a gracious and apologetic way.

Just how friendly she is becomes apparent when she decides to invites him into her bed. With that, Renart gets a huge boost in his ego. Not only is his fear gone, but now he feels like confidently throwing his weight around. Cubs being annoying? Piss on them. Anything to eat here? I just had chicken, but I'll take this stuff for later. The normally loud and assertive Hersent seems transformed as well. After a couple of goes with Renart, she's now the the submissive, apologetic one.

But plan? I don't think so. Looks like Renart improvised this the whole way. Seeing him trying to quickly think his way out of dangerous places and into ... well, whatever he can get for himself, is one of the main things that people like about the Renart stories.

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obligatory

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wow this is awesome, man kind sure has been furry for a long time

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Saint Christopher
The russian icon

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the greek icon

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This is an awesome thread. Just curious if anyone has seen any other illustrations of the whole Reynard/Hersent scene of her being have at while stuck in Reynards fox hole, other then >>10810

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>>16114
I'll see what I can find as far as Renard and Hersent images. Here's a woodcut (not sure how old it is) of Hersent's seduction of Renard.

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>>16131 Much appreciated!

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Thinking about sources for Renard images, I realized that no one had mentioned any film versions of the story. There have been a few. (Apparently Disney started one, but decided Renard was just too wicked to use as a hero, so they changed the fox into Robin Hood instead.)

So far, the only film that even comes close to the original characters and story is Le Roman de Renard, made by Ladislas Starevitch in 1930, with absolutely amazing stop-motion puppet animation for the time (and even today). Bigger plus was the lack of censorship in France where it was made. The sexual humor and bits of puppet nudity were definitely aimed at an adult audience.

The screenplay compresses and modifies the original stories. One part begins with Reynard teaching Ysengrin to ice-fish with his tail - which concludes with him being beaten half to death by local peasants. He crawls home to find Renard has been there, his food is disappearing up the chimney with Renard on the roof, and his wife is bent over and wedged into a trunk. (I think we know what that alludes to.)

Here's a link to that scene in the film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz0wAD1o0gs&t=4m46s

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>>10927
I find it hilarious that some ancient Egyptian furry 5000 years ago was fappin' to some crudely drawn (carved?) jackals fucking

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Not sure what's going on but these YouTube links don't seem to work just by clicking on them. They work ok if you copy them, though.

Here's the main link to the film (with English subtitles):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz0wAD1o0gs

And have an image of Renard's wife Hermaline. You just don't see exposed breasts on animated foxes enough these days.

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Thanks for posting the link. The stopanimation was one of the best films I have seen in some time.

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this is an amazing thread, spent more time that i expected to on this one. that movie is amazing, just the details in character movement and even facial expression.

The thing is, where can you find this movie? someone said they found it however neglected to say where.

awesome thread love it. keep up the awesome history

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>>16164
You can find the movie on DVD on Amazon. You'll need a player that can handle Region 2 DVDs. Also, it's pricey - a new copy is $160. Used ones are around $33. Someone ripped a copy for me (probably off of a torrent site). Here's a link to Amazon's page with some very good reviews and explanations of the film and what you get on the DVD:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Tale-Fox-Roman-Renard/dp/B0016CGSE8/ref=pd_sxp_f_r

And as some people have said already, even with the limited technology of 1930, the artistry in the film is amazing. Action, like running, even running water is very well done. The expressions and body language, and their eyes are amazing to watch. The story itself gets as close to the original in content as they dared back then - which is a LOT more than you'd get today. There are some seriously GREAT lines in it that had me rolling on the floor laughing (especially the one Grimbart, Renard's Badger attorney, used to attack a certain hen's reputation during his trial).

Speaking as a serious student of animation, this is one of the top 10 animated film I have ever seen.

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>>16184
Or if you buy it off Amazon UK, a new (R2) copy is £23 ... plus shipping, of course.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tale-Fox-Roman-Renard-DVD/dp/B0006TLD6K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347800051&sr=8-1

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>>14954
Since noone else did, atleast I didn´t see it, I´ll be so kind. It´s nothing special tho.

Wilhelm von Kaulbach: Reineke Fuchs als Sieger. Illustration, erschienen 1846; in Kupfer gestochen von Adrian Schleich, München

"Wilhelm of Kaulbach (the artist): Reynard the Fox as victor. Illustration, published 1846, engraved in copper by Adrian Schleich, Munich."

(The sign in the picture reads "Hail in the victors laurel wreath" or something of the like...it´s a common old german phrase for winners of all sorts of stuff, wars or whatever. There is a song about Kaiser Willhelm of Germany, also called "Heil dir im Siegerkranz", the melody of which has been used for "God save the Queen" aswell...

Wilhelm von Kaulbach, 1846: Reineke Fuchs. Die Illustration zum Neunten Gesang, in Kupfer gestochen von Rudolf Rahn in Zürich, zeigt König Nobel im Schlafgemach, mit der Kinderfrau Rückenau, der Äffin, Fürsprecherin Reinekes.

"Wilhelm of Kaulbach, 1846: Reynard the Fox. The illustration to the ninth melody, engraved in copper by Rudolf Rahn in Zurich, shows King Nobel in the bedroom with the maid Rückenau, the monkey, Reynards advocate."

I can´t really translate...funny considering I am german and speak fluent english...also had to look up some of the less common words, and hope I did it right...

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>>15933
This one blows my mind. I have trouble conceiving of a time 32,000 years ago, yet humans were physiologically and psychologically just as they are today. There was art (like the statue), music (there were flutes found at the same site as the statue), jewelry (there are beaded necklaces going even farther back), and porn (a lot of anthropologists/archaeologists aren't convinced that ALL the images of large breasted women are fertility goddesses).

And of all the things to prove to be eternal, constants of the human condition, we've got furries.

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Well, guess what? The adult-themed, emotion-filled furry story ( >>10632 ) 'that started as a newspaper comic "The Adventures of the Vixen Sharp Ears" in 1920, then a novel that has been in print continuously for 90 years, became one of the best-loved operas of all time, and was made into a British animated film in 2005, is now the basis for an American film Cunning Little Vixen, due to be released November 20, 2012 in the U.S. Directed by Daniel Yost (Drugstore *Cowboy), and co-written by Yost and Tara Walker, it stars Christopher Lloyd, Ann-Margaret, Shannon Elizabeth, Delroy Lindo, Lauren Sweetser, and Tara Walker as Theresa.

As a girl, Theresa identifies with Sharp-Ears, and fantasizes about playing and singing this role. While still a teen, she creates a one-person street performance of the opera, costumed in a vixen fursuit and using puppets as the other characters. Later, she is auditions and is admitted to the Prague Music Academy, and gets a small part in the Janacek opera version of the story - The Cunning Little Vixen, and things develop from there.

I haven't seen it, nor any recent news or reviews about it, but it sounds like a furry story if there ever was one. I'll have more news if I hear any.

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I'm always surprised that John R. Neill, who illustrated most of L.. Frank Baum's Oz books doesn't seem to get as much attention as he obviously deserves, especially for all the anthropomorphic characters he created.

You may know of such furry characters as the Cowardly Lion and the Hungry Tiger. Here's one you may not have heard of, King Renard IV, who was the ruler of a community of anthropomorphic foxes in the Land of Oz.

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And here's another one from Neill.

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An illustration from the ancient Roman novel The Golden Ass. The story follows a protagonist who is transformed into a donkey, and one scene describes him having sex with a woman.

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I was looking through a 14th Century Renart manuscript and found this image. A little about the story here:

At one point, Renart really outdoes himself in offending King Noble the lion, and the king brings an army with him and lays siege to Renart's castle Malpertuis. Back in the days before cannon, castles could be almost impregnable, The King surrounds Malpertuis with his army and swears to hold the seige for as long as it takes.

One night some six months later, after a long day of besieging and no progress, the army lay asleep outside Malpertuis. Renart decides to go out and tie each one of them, by their foot or tail, to a nearby tree. The last one he finds is the lioness Queen Fiere. Turns out she'd had an argument with her husband earlier and left him and was sleeping by herself... on her back ...rather exposed. Renart forgets his plans and slips between her legs. Things go well at first, with the queen assuming it's her husband who's there for some make-up sex, but soon she realizes it's not him and panics, waking everyone up to see their queen non-consensually engaged with Renart.

The scene that follows is quite comical at first, with all the tied up animal trying to free themselves. Unfortunately for Renart they do, they capture him, beat him unmercifully, and bring him to the king who is ready to hang him. With all this going on, his cousin and lawyer Grimbart the badger hears from one of them who feels sorry for Renart and wants to help, it's none other than Queen Fiere. She gives Grimbart a charm to give Renart courage. She also tells him to tell Renart that, when he gets himself out of this, that he should come to see her, discretely, and, ...uh, privately.

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>>16569

> Be browsing Fchan in December 2014
> Read a post 5 from the bottom of this thread
> "To be released November 2012"

I knew things moved slowly round here, but, fucking hell...

Anyway, do we know what happened with this in the end?